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StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
November 26 2011 04:51 GMT
#81
On November 26 2011 13:42 Telcontar wrote:
Oh good lord only 2 terrans? I'll be supporting them then. Go Puma & Naama!

And WTF happened to Kas?

He had a group where he only needed to concentrate on vP, went 0-3
Kinda dropped the ball there..
NaDa | MC | HerO | DeMusliM | TaeJa | viOLet
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
November 26 2011 04:58 GMT
#82
I always seem to miss dreamhack because they play the majority of their games on weekdays. Whats up with that.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 05:01:47
November 26 2011 04:58 GMT
#83
On November 26 2011 12:30 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:10 akalarry wrote:
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


toss has been dominating everything except for code s. it's only at the top of code s where terrans do well (maybe the top 3-5 terrans), and it doesn't seem so as of late. maybe they are just good, not because terran is imbalanced? seeing as how they also have stellar winrates in every other matchup.

I've been preaching this for a while now. Terran is not nor has it been imbalanced, it's merely been a case in Code S of a few elite Terrans who were actually just that much better than everyone else making it look like Terran was too strong. Nowhere else, even in Code A or GSTL, has Terran been dominant. People just like to blame everything but themselves for their struggles, which is the exact opposite of the mindset you should have when gaming competitively. Always blame yourself when you lose, and then look for ways to fix what you did wrong. You'll develop a safer, more conservative style of play with a better sense of when you can take risks and suddenly you'll find that the game wasn't imbalanced, you were just crying because the other player wasn't letting you get away with stuff you shouldn't expect to get away with every time.

That's because foreigner terrans don't have the mechanics to play the race to its potential and make incredibly poor decisions consistently. Things like unsieging all at once, throwing drops away from not paying attention, letting macro fall behind. It's no wonder why they're not winning. Mechanically, it's easier to use warp gates or hold down the D key than it is to keep a watch on all your barracks/factories/starports. As for the matchups themselves, terran has many opportunities to be aggressive. Early siege tanks against protoss are very good and force them into playing a less optimal way. They're still not using ravens against zerg and protoss for whatever reason either. Personally, I'm of the opinion the game is pretty balanced overall and you can't say the game is wrong when so many people aren't playing the game correctly. So I guess what I'm saying is I agree with you 100% =)
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
November 26 2011 05:07 GMT
#84
Such a bad bracket for Liquid
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2011 05:30 GMT
#85
Looking good for a protoss victory. It's almost Code S level of racial imbalance.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
November 26 2011 05:44 GMT
#86
We have to root for an all-Protoss Ro8, right? It's amazing that it's even possible, I would love to see such a thing just for the novelty value.

WhiteRa vs Naama: I think WhiteRa is slightly favored, but it's close.

Naniwa vs DRG: Naniwa beat Nestea twice, and DRG's worst matchup is ZvP, so this shouldn't be too tough. I think Naniwa is slightly favored.

Genius vs PuMa: Really tough, but Genius is scrappy so who knows.

HerO vs Sheth: HerO easily favored.

MaNa vs Nerchio: Too close to call.

ToD vs Ret: The hardest P win of the bunch, I don't know how ToD gets past Ret here. This match and the Genius/PuMa match make an all-P Ro8 almost impossible. But come on guys, we've gotta have hope! You know it would bring a smile to your face.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 05:54:09
November 26 2011 05:44 GMT
#87
On that note why is it that only forgien Protoss players have stayed in Korea consistently for a long time (Huk, Naniwa, Sase, ToD etc ) wheras almost no Terrans besides Jinro (Sjow, Thorzain all were in Korea for about a month) and almost no zergs except Idra (Sheth, Ret, Haypro were there for a while). How come no Terran or Zerg players have decided to go to Korea and stay there?
Go go Alliance.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 05:47:08
November 26 2011 05:45 GMT
#88
WhiteRa should be able to take out Naama, but he will likely go against SaSe then. Hopefully he can win. I'd also love to see Mana take out Nerchio. D:


On November 26 2011 14:44 Cel.erity wrote:
Naniwa vs DRG: Naniwa beat Nestea twice, and DRG's worst matchup is ZvP, so this shouldn't be too tough. I think Naniwa is slightly favored.


He also beat DRG at MLG... so that might be a better indication of how he will do against him. :O
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
November 26 2011 05:52 GMT
#89
an all protoss top 8 would suck royally. At least for all the semifinal/finals games, watching nothing but pvp for 3+ hours would be awful from a spectating standpoint at least for me personally.
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
November 26 2011 05:53 GMT
#90
On November 26 2011 14:30 Dodgin wrote:
Looking good for a protoss victory. It's almost Code S level of racial imbalance.


Almost? This is practically the same proportions as GSL October.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
November 26 2011 05:54 GMT
#91
On November 26 2011 14:44 dooraven wrote:
On that note why is it that only forgien Protoss players have stayed in Korea consistently for a long time (Huk, Naniwa, Sase, ToD etc ) wheras almost no Terrans (Sjow, Thorzain all were in Korea for about a month) and almost no zergs except Idra (Sheth, Ret, Haypro were there for a while). How come no Terran or Zerg players have decided to go to Korea and stay there?


Aiur has 9 moons.

Take the value of the letters in the word Seoul (72) and subtract the value of the letters in the word Aiur (49). You will be left with the number 23.

23 is the 9th prime number.

Now do you have your answer?
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 26 2011 06:20 GMT
#92
White-ra vs Naama
NightEnd vs Sase
DongRaeGu vs Naniwa
Puma vs Genius
Seiplo vs Huk
Sheth vs Hero
Nerchio vs Mana
Ret vs ToD

White-ra vs NightEnd
DongRaeGu vs PuMa
Huk vs Hero
Mana vs Ret

WhiteRa vs DongRaeGu
Hero vs Mana

DongRaeGu vs MaNa

"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Larryx
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland148 Posts
November 26 2011 06:22 GMT
#93
I'm very sad panda that my 2 polish heroes are playing eachother
MANA & NERCHIO HWAITING!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 06:25:23
November 26 2011 06:24 GMT
#94
Sat 11/26 1001 WhiteRa -1.5 2.210 1.345
01:15 AM 1002 Naama +1.5 1.704 3.390

Sat 11/26 1003 NIGHTEND 2.360
01:15 AM 1004 SaSe 1.625

Sat 11/26 1005 DongRaeGu 1.556
01:15 AM 1006 Naniwa 2.530

Sat 11/26 1007 Puma -1.5 1.962 1.377
01:15 AM 1008 Genius +1.5 1.893 3.200

Naniwa still underrated, great value. Sase has an ok value too.
It's funny, that's exactly the same odd as nani vs drg@MLG last weekend.
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
November 26 2011 06:27 GMT
#95
btw the op says reults..is this some inside joke or wtf
number one fan of marineking
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
November 26 2011 06:28 GMT
#96
On November 26 2011 14:44 dooraven wrote:
On that note why is it that only forgien Protoss players have stayed in Korea consistently for a long time (Huk, Naniwa, Sase, ToD etc ) wheras almost no Terrans besides Jinro (Sjow, Thorzain all were in Korea for about a month) and almost no zergs except Idra (Sheth, Ret, Haypro were there for a while). How come no Terran or Zerg players have decided to go to Korea and stay there?


There was some recent interview with Naniwa where he said that protoss benefits more from practice on the Korean ladder than zerg does (didn't say anything about terran.) So that might be the reason. Or... it's pure coincidence.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
November 26 2011 06:31 GMT
#97
Tt.White-Ra vs eSahara.Naama
fnatic.NightEnd vs Quantic.SaSe
coL.MvP.DongRaeGu vs coL.MvP.NaNiWa
EG.PuMa vs coL.MvP.Genius
Ai.Seiplo vs EG.HuK
liquid.TLAF'Sheth vs liquid.TLAF'HerO
acer.Nerchio vs mouz.MaNa
liquid.TLAF'Ret vs fnatic.ToD

Tt.White-Ra Vs. Quantic.SaSe
coL.MvP.NaNiWa Vs. EG.PuMa
EG.HuK Vs. liquid.TLAF'HerO
acer.Nerchio Vs. liquid.TLAF'Ret

Quantic.SaSe Vs. coL.MvP.NaNiWa
liquid.TLAF'HerO Vs. liquid.TLAF'Ret


Quantic.SaSe Vs. liquid.TLAF'Ret
- me (L) competitive gaming -
diarsenic
Profile Joined July 2011
United States385 Posts
November 26 2011 06:32 GMT
#98
On November 26 2011 14:54 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 14:44 dooraven wrote:
On that note why is it that only forgien Protoss players have stayed in Korea consistently for a long time (Huk, Naniwa, Sase, ToD etc ) wheras almost no Terrans (Sjow, Thorzain all were in Korea for about a month) and almost no zergs except Idra (Sheth, Ret, Haypro were there for a while). How come no Terran or Zerg players have decided to go to Korea and stay there?


Aiur has 9 moons.

Take the value of the letters in the word Seoul (72) and subtract the value of the letters in the word Aiur (49). You will be left with the number 23.

23 is the 9th prime number.

Now do you have your answer?

Can't argue with that logic.

White-Ra>Naama
Sase>Nightend
Naniwa>DRG
Puma>Genius
HuK>Seiplo
HerO>Sheth
Nerchio>MaNa
Ret>ToD

Sase>White-Ra
Naniwa>Puma
HuK>HerO
Nerchio>Ret

Naniwa>Sase
HuK>Nerchio

HuK>Naniwa

My opninion :3
Penix Imba
Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
November 26 2011 06:34 GMT
#99
I must say the results are fantastic! :p
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 06:48:05
November 26 2011 06:36 GMT
#100
Tt.White-Ra vs eS.Naama: White-Ra should win this fairly easily.

FnaticMSI.NightEnD vs QIMSaSe: I'll be utterly shocked if SaSe loses.

MvPDongRaeGu vs coL.NaNiWa: Could go either way, but after taking out NesTea, I'm favoring NaNiWa.

EGPuMa vs MvPGenius: Genius is inconsistent to say the least, but if he plays to the level he is capable he should beat PuMa.

Ai.Seiplo vs EGHuK: Yeah. HuK.

LiquidSheth vs LiquidHerO: These two are really evenly matched. Even though they seem to meet up all the time and HerO always wins, Sheth will win this time. He has the power. He has the potential. He can do it.

Acer.Nerchio vs mouz.MaNa: Could go either way, but I think Nerchio is favored about 70/30.

LiquidRet vs FnaticMSI.ToD: This is a chance for ToD to show how good he really is. But, I think Ret will squash that chance and advance to the next round.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
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