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On November 09 2011 19:04 acejem wrote:
Terran won 2 big fights in the midgame but still lost in the end due to 3/3/3 upgrade insta-reinforcing zealots, HT and collosi which is pretty much unbeatable even with carpet emps unless you have have a heavy econ advantage which is nearly impossible to get on this map since it's so large and protoss can get easy 3 bases. I can see this map being vetoed by terrans in the TvP MU in the future.
When you let the protoss get a 2 base advantage, its no wonder he can afford HT and double robo Collosus.
jjakji just had a worse economy and couldn't afford to remax a fast as Sangho - especially after he sacrificed those SVCs with only 3 or 4 orbitals
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On November 09 2011 19:09 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:08 s3rp wrote:On November 09 2011 19:07 Fission wrote:
Cut out the crying. Can't you all just be happy to see a sick game? This was not a good game .... It was boring with low action and a buttloard of turteling . And thats exactly where Terra will lose. Yeah terran is so bad at turteling.
In TvP they are because Protoss is alot better at turteling ...
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On November 09 2011 19:04 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:03 Tabbris wrote:
Are u guys really bitching about balance -.-. And are Ts really complaining??? Not so much complaining, but pointing out a protoss won by a huge margin WITHOUT 1.4.2
Jjakji pretty much only made marauders and got shredded by zealots. The one battle where they basically traded and jjakji got off a ton of emp's would have went decisively in his favor if he had more marines.
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On November 09 2011 19:06 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:00 Quotidian wrote:On November 09 2011 18:59 s3rp wrote:
I think the Terrans will stop trying to play like that against Toss. This just doesn't work he always took good fights and had good upgrades but he just couldn't keep up reeinforcing. what is terran supposed to do then? terran sacked his worker count without the orbitals for mules and without the production facilities to remax quickly. he lost because his plan was to not lose his army. killer was ready to lose armies.
That was not his plan at all. As TvP in late game, you can never secure your 5th, 6th bases due to scattered pylons at those bases. If you section off any of your army to attempt to kill random pylons, Protoss will make a move on you and trade, and instant-remax at your rally point via pylon mid-way on the map.
He realized the situation was futile at the point where he loaded up two dropships and tried to do damage to protosses 5th/6th expos, and that is exactly when killer decided to move onto terran's side of the map.
It was never his "plan" to have to suicide SCVS for a bigger maxed out army. It was just that he realized at that point the only way to possibly win would be to do a 1-shot huge max army to try to kill protosses army once, and it didn't work.
To be fair, Terran did not use nukes which are the only way to beat protoss once the game gets to this stage. And even then using nukes is iffy if protoss turtles correctly with cannons on ghost walk-paths and staggered away from nexus's making ghosts require two nukes to harrass any outlying expansion.
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Big supplyblock for Killer it seems :o
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On November 09 2011 19:07 pdd wrote:
People bitching about the upcoming patch are making a big deal.
No one buffed mutas or debuffed stalkers/phoenixes, but now all of a sudden everyone's using it in ZvP it has become borderline abusive.
Also no one buffed hellion (except for the change in icon), but yet suddenly mech builds became so common in TvT and TvZ
Well actually muta play was incredibly strong before protosses discovered the 6 gate. I dunno why zergs never transitioned to mutas eventually though.
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They've clearly not seen Lynda Carter...
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On November 09 2011 19:10 HydroOwl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:04 SolidMoose wrote:On November 09 2011 19:03 Tabbris wrote:
Are u guys really bitching about balance -.-. And are Ts really complaining??? Not so much complaining, but pointing out a protoss won by a huge margin WITHOUT 1.4.2 Jjakji pretty much only made marauders and got shredded by zealots. The one battle where they basically traded and jjakji got off a ton of emp's would have went decisively in his favor if he had more marines.
You mean the battle where Killer still had 4-6 Colossi ? I don't think Marines would've done anything in situation ...
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On November 09 2011 19:09 Alric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:03 Tabbris wrote:
Are u guys really bitching about balance -.-. And are Ts really complaining??? A protoss beats a terran and ppl blow a shit That's something new hey; guess they're just not used to seeing terran lose. Also, whining because you struggle against X on ladder is really stupid. It has no relevance for top level play. Especially from terrans, considering how dominant terran is at the top levels. "Waaaaah zealot archon is impossible to beat, no one can win against P!" Completely retarded.
Exactly. "I lose on ladder to protoss, therefore P>T at pro level", ridiculous. Just an excuse for people to air their ladder frustrations I guess
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Dt's by Killer? Woah :O How long has it been since we saw someone went fast dt's?
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Dark Shrine, yeah! I like that game.
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On November 09 2011 19:12 Fragile51 wrote:
Dt's by Killer? Woah :O How long has it been since we saw someone went fast dt's?
Watch any deciding game involving Huk
i.e. vs Virus last gsl
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Really smart by Killer, cancels the DT shrine and went double forge and robo :D
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interestingly low number of people posting in this thread, guess they are all waiting for july and huk playing
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Double forges once again for Killer. The Dark shrine was cancelled after it got scanned.
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On November 09 2011 19:11 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:10 HydroOwl wrote:On November 09 2011 19:04 SolidMoose wrote:On November 09 2011 19:03 Tabbris wrote:
Are u guys really bitching about balance -.-. And are Ts really complaining??? Not so much complaining, but pointing out a protoss won by a huge margin WITHOUT 1.4.2 Jjakji pretty much only made marauders and got shredded by zealots. The one battle where they basically traded and jjakji got off a ton of emp's would have went decisively in his favor if he had more marines. You mean the battle where Killer still had 4-6 Colossi ? I don't think Marines would've done anything in situation ...
No...jjakji at one point killed all the colossi with vikings left over, emp'd all the archons, and traded armies, but got pushed back by the remaining archons and zealots. He had so many marauders that he didn't have enough dps to take all the zealots out.
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On November 09 2011 19:04 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:03 Tabbris wrote:
Are u guys really bitching about balance -.-. And are Ts really complaining??? Not so much complaining, but pointing out a protoss won by a huge margin WITHOUT 1.4.2
Because the only reason why one person beats another is because of race balance... ah..
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On November 09 2011 19:08 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:03 whirlpool wrote:
will we see sad marine after the patch ? Haha no, because the better players in Korea are terran. Not because they're terran, but in spite of it. Do you think MVP, Happy, Bomber, MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, Puma, Alive, Polt and marineking would be much worse players if they were all another race? As much as Zergs and Protoss players joke about it, terran just statistically has the strongest players. Kinda like Protoss in Europe.
Of all the Terrans you cited, only MVP, MMA, MKP and maybe Bomber are noticeable in the Terran race. The others are merely very good solid players, because Terran is fundamentally solid.
Happy, Ganzi, Taeja, Puma just 1-1-1 their fair share against protoss, the first ones to get to code A, the last one just to play his usual standard vP game.
Alive is plain random.
Terran statistically has the strongest players... because it's statistically the strongest race?
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On November 09 2011 19:13 Fragile51 wrote:
Really smart by Killer, cancels the DT shrine and went double forge and robo :D
Tbh he could just use warp prism and land the DTs in the terran main or sth. Or keep it for late game.
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On November 09 2011 19:14 ViperPL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 19:13 Fragile51 wrote:
Really smart by Killer, cancels the DT shrine and went double forge and robo :D Tbh he could just use warp prism and land the DTs in the terran main or sth. Or keep it for late game.
Well he's building it again :D
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