EPT[NASL] S2 Week 5 Day 5 - Page 3
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AlternativeEgo
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Hier
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On October 17 2011 12:21 eRonin wrote: wait, so what happened exactly? why didn't he win when that last extractor died? Map settings didn't allow for it. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3510 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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Hier
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Ruscour
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:29 Hier wrote: Dimaga 4-0 in his group so far, loving it. Really want to see him in more tournaments. He can easily hang with players like Idra, Ret, and Stephano. More like: Idra, Ret and Stephano can easily hang with Dimaga :D | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:27 Oreo7 wrote: nasl is becoming less and less relevant. I feel like this is a result of trying to buy out the scene instead of trying to legitimately become the best. I think they probably realized this in the end of season 1 (that the big 100k prize pool wouldn't make them the best) and have been trying to correct it since, but at this point the lackluster player pool compared to other events along with a drawn out season has made it rather obsolete. I'm still looking forward to the finals but... They tried a drawn out pre-recorded off-line GSL with no Live audience. It's no surprise people become disinterested until the Finals. | ||
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Supdude
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:27 Oreo7 wrote: nasl is becoming less and less relevant. I feel like this is a result of trying to buy out the scene instead of trying to legitimately become the best. I think they probably realized this in the end of season 1 (that the big 100k prize pool wouldn't make them the best) and have been trying to correct it since, but at this point the lackluster player pool compared to other events along with a drawn out season has made it rather obsolete. I'm still looking forward to the finals but... I'm sorry but I don't agree. I think you have it all wrong. I think NASL, for such a long tournament, has done an excellent job of keeping people tuned in. The thing is, this October is freakishly saturated with live events. First IPL, and then IEM/MLG. By nature, a live LAN event will always take precedence over a online daily event, because the former is considered kind of a "one time" thing, whereas the latter is considered something you can tune into any day at your convenience. NASL has been getting 12k/10k EU viewership most days. That's hardly "becoming irrelevant" because that's what IEM has been getting WITH a live LAN event (note: they were competing with MLG). For comparison, IPL barely ever broke 3k without live event competition. Anyway, I love the format of the NASL. Yeah I tune into things like MLG because they're a one time thing that I don't want to miss, but I like having a "daily" tournament I can tune into also. Besides, it's like 2 more weeks until Playoffs, and I'm sure that's going to get people's attention. [EDIT] Also, I feel like this community is more band-wagony than they like to admit. If your enjoyment of a league is largely dependent on the viewership numbers, then I'm not sure you have your priorities right. | ||
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Supdude
244 Posts
It's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but that's still serious dough for a night's work. Since NASL games were played earlier, NASL already know the standing and can invite players for the live Sunday event before hand. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Oats123
Australia56 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On October 17 2011 13:59 whateverpeeps wrote: I'm sorry but I don't agree. I think you have it all wrong. I think NASL, for such a long tournament, has done an excellent job of keeping people tuned in. The thing is, this October is freakishly saturated with live events. First IPL, and then IEM/MLG. By nature, a live LAN event will always take precedence over a online daily event, because the former is considered kind of a "one time" thing, whereas the latter is considered something you can tune into any day at your convenience. NASL has been getting 12k/10k EU viewership most days. That's hardly "becoming irrelevant" because that's what IEM has been getting WITH a live LAN event (note: they were competing with MLG). For comparison, IPL barely ever broke 3k without live event competition. Anyway, I love the format of the NASL. Yeah I tune into things like MLG because they're a one time thing that I don't want to miss, but I like having a "daily" tournament I can tune into also. Besides, it's like 2 more weeks until Playoffs, and I'm sure that's going to get people's attention. [EDIT] Also, I feel like this community is more band-wagony than they like to admit. If your enjoyment of a league is largely dependent on the viewership numbers, then I'm not sure you have your priorities right. According to those numbers then, the TSL must have been one of the biggest successes in SC2 tournament history. I figured as much though. o.0 I disagree and think that the format and decision to play older games is in fact the reason that the NASL isn't really getting as much (for lack of a better word) "talk" as other tournaments. Viewer numbers are one thing, but I think the real measure of success for tournaments is how many people talk about them even after the event has occurred. Not a lot of talk has been going on in pretty much most of the live threads this season as opposed to the other tournaments. Main reason is just the over saturation of games which (to the average guy just tuning in) dont SEEM to have importance since losing a set doesn't mean you're knocked out immediately but rather that I dont get the points I need to get any higher. In situations where someone is already guaranteed a spot in the finals, the players have no incentive to try hard which is reflected in the games. edit: reorganized some thoughts | ||
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PetRockSteve
United States70 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:09 cyclone25 wrote: NASL needs to start broadcasting the games live. Watching replays that are 2-4 weeks old is not entertaining at all. Glad that Orb is casting though, he's great! Have things changed since last season? In season one, they were 2 days old... | ||
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
IMO the format should be changed so seasons aren't as long; having 32 players instead of 50 would be ideal, with them split into groups similar to GSL or MLG. Right now the season has run through multiple IEMs, GSL, IPL3, and now MLG. It's impossible for NASL to compete for anyone's attention while those events are going on. In terms of esports, so far SC2 is tournament dominated. A real sports like long season doesn't work because it generates a host of games few people want to watch. This isn't the NFL, where even a bad matchup/game (like tonight's Minnesota v Chicago game) gets huge ratings and attention. People want to see their favorite players duking it out with immediate money, respect, and prizes on the line. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On October 17 2011 15:45 PhoenixDark wrote: The lack of traffic in the various NASL threads and low-ish viewer numbers show this season isn't a priority for SC2 fans. I just can't get excited over watching weeks old replays at prime time (8-9pm). IMO the format should be changed so seasons aren't as long; having 32 players instead of 50 would be ideal, with them split into groups similar to GSL or MLG. Right now the season has run through multiple IEMs, GSL, IPL3, and now MLG. It's impossible for NASL to compete for anyone's attention while those events are going on. In terms of esports, so far SC2 is tournament dominated. A real sports like long season doesn't work because it generates a host of games few people want to watch. This isn't the NFL, where even a bad matchup/game (like tonight's Minnesota v Chicago game) gets huge ratings and attention. People want to see their favorite players duking it out with immediate money, respect, and prizes on the line. You're missing the whole point. When the superbowl is on, nobody watches the NBA game that's on at the same time except for die-hard NBA fans. When MLG happens, nobody is watching the NASL games except for the die hard fans. We're aware of this. The point is not to "beat" other tournaments in terms of viewership. If you want to compare a random daily NASL match viewer count to MLG's of course MLG wins that battle. | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
On October 17 2011 15:45 PhoenixDark wrote: The lack of traffic in the various NASL threads and low-ish viewer numbers show this season isn't a priority for SC2 fans. I just can't get excited over watching weeks old replays at prime time (8-9pm). IMO the format should be changed so seasons aren't as long; having 32 players instead of 50 would be ideal, with them split into groups similar to GSL or MLG. Right now the season has run through multiple IEMs, GSL, IPL3, and now MLG. It's impossible for NASL to compete for anyone's attention while those events are going on. In terms of esports, so far SC2 is tournament dominated. A real sports like long season doesn't work because it generates a host of games few people want to watch. This isn't the NFL, where even a bad matchup/game (like tonight's Minnesota v Chicago game) gets huge ratings and attention. People want to see their favorite players duking it out with immediate money, respect, and prizes on the line. I feel like this is a problem on the side of how we see SC2 right now. Part of the magic of Brood War was that OSLs and MSLs are long, drawn-out seasons, with a story and a build-up to that final payoff. That way, instead of just having a tourney a month to go to, it would have a lot more significance to win this built-up spectacle. I don't know, I'm just not a big fan of instant gratification. Sure, shortening the season a bit and cutting players is probably a good idea, but I don't think it would be good for NASL to shorten it to GSL-style or something like that. It just wouldn't have that same kind of magic as a nice build-up would. | ||
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