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PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
October 17 2011 02:17 GMT
#19821
On October 17 2011 11:06 opm1s6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:01 Hall0wed wrote:
HuK throwing America back on top. Haha beast.

Uhh so maybe Maj0r will win Blizzcon for some South America love.

America? He's Canadian


So he's American.

Anyway GGs Huk. Fall seems to be the start of the Legend Of the Foreigner.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
October 17 2011 02:17 GMT
#19822
On October 17 2011 11:15 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:13 Proko wrote:
Huk has dual citizenship and he grew up in Florida.


Actually, he grew up in Florida until he was 10(so before he even hit puberty) THEN he moved up(in life) TO THE GREAT WHITE NORTH WHERE HE EXPERIENCED LIFE FOR THE FIRST TIME EHHHHHH!?


I thought it was 16 .... *shrug*
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 17 2011 02:18 GMT
#19823
On October 17 2011 11:08 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:06 zodde wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:55 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:53 Derez wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:51 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:48 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
SOOO close Idra gets top seed for Providence by 10 points
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings


The exact seed is probably irrelevant past the groups 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16


Edit:

Incontrol #16
Mvp #19
TT

MVP is getting a Gom invite, don't worry.


But the format shown in liquipedia page doesn't account for any Gom invites, so I thought only GSL players seeded in the top 16 already would be flown in by gom? And even if Mvp got flown in he'd have to play in the open bracket? Because there's nothing in the format that would allow him to get seeded in

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence



Except for the combo of jetlag + playing loads of game = fatigue, I don't see MVP having any issues just cruising through the open bracket.



It's still stupid for a champion of one of the tournaments in the pro circuit doesn't get automatic seeding into the big finale.


Those are the rules. Making an exception would be stupid and unfair. Mvp prioritized (and rightfully so) GSL over MLG, thats why hes not here, no one should blame him or the MLG organization here.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 17 2011 02:19 GMT
#19824
I pretty much sacrificed my entire weekend to watch this. Do I regret it? No, not one bit.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#19825
Idra takes IEM, Huk takes MLG too good.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Jezdog
Profile Joined August 2011
308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:21:02
October 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#19826
Sheth 10 points off... it hurts so so much considering he was 1-0 up vs puma and sase and punted both!

Also iNcontroL probably gonna make it through on highest result
kinglemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany199 Posts
October 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#19827
On October 17 2011 10:18 Noxblood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:07 kinglemon wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:00 Azarkon wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:51 Goshdarnit wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:48 TexDrum wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:45 catabowl wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:43 Noxblood wrote:
what does slasher do now?


Nothing... only non followers consider Huk a "Foreigner"

Anyone who trains in Korea under that atmosphere is considered a "Korean" player.



See this makes no sense. The reason that koreans are so good is because they train so hard. If a foreigner moves to korea to become as good as them, why does he suddenly become a korean? If that's true, then koreans will ALWAYS be on top, because everybody will just call the best foreigners korean, regardless of where they practice, just because they adopt the korean method of training.


True. The whole "discussion" is stupid but you can't jsut make people korean at a whim.

Also HuK is soo short next to plott brothers and co.


The discussion, as it were, is a silly argument over semantics, which only occurs because people are not willing to look at what's really being discussed.

What we learned from this tournament is -

1. "Korean" (ie dedicated, full-time) training is what makes the difference between Koreans and foreigners.


it's not.
stephano plays just euro ladder for some hours a day and can beat almost everybody.
and tbh, just playing in korea won't make u superstar, there is more to it.
look at jinro for example.

Jinro isn't the best dude to pull out as an example. just because he got 2 semi finals inn GSL. he is inn a slope. just like MC was, just like idra was it is just a little longer. People become better the more u practice. Stephano plays more than 3-4 hours a day. he said that when i play more than 4 hours a day i start loosing. Too become the best u most likely have to play and practice inn Korea. But that do not make you a Korean!


that's what i wanted to say.
jinro is not even on high europe standards for prox the last half year, although he trains in korea 10 hours a day.
korea won't make u awesome, it's still on yourself.

saying huk is not a foreigner is discrediting imo.

Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
October 17 2011 02:21 GMT
#19828
On October 17 2011 11:18 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:08 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:06 zodde wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:55 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:53 Derez wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:51 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:48 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
SOOO close Idra gets top seed for Providence by 10 points
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings


The exact seed is probably irrelevant past the groups 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16


Edit:

Incontrol #16
Mvp #19
TT

MVP is getting a Gom invite, don't worry.


But the format shown in liquipedia page doesn't account for any Gom invites, so I thought only GSL players seeded in the top 16 already would be flown in by gom? And even if Mvp got flown in he'd have to play in the open bracket? Because there's nothing in the format that would allow him to get seeded in

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence



Except for the combo of jetlag + playing loads of game = fatigue, I don't see MVP having any issues just cruising through the open bracket.



It's still stupid for a champion of one of the tournaments in the pro circuit doesn't get automatic seeding into the big finale.


Those are the rules. Making an exception would be stupid and unfair. Mvp prioritized (and rightfully so) GSL over MLG, thats why hes not here, no one should blame him or the MLG organization here.


I'm not saying they should make exceptions, just that it's very stupid that such a major detail like a champion not being seeded was overlooked in the way the format was set up.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 17 2011 02:22 GMT
#19829
On October 17 2011 11:21 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:18 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:08 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:06 zodde wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:55 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:53 Derez wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:51 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:48 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
SOOO close Idra gets top seed for Providence by 10 points
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings


The exact seed is probably irrelevant past the groups 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16


Edit:

Incontrol #16
Mvp #19
TT

MVP is getting a Gom invite, don't worry.


But the format shown in liquipedia page doesn't account for any Gom invites, so I thought only GSL players seeded in the top 16 already would be flown in by gom? And even if Mvp got flown in he'd have to play in the open bracket? Because there's nothing in the format that would allow him to get seeded in

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence



Except for the combo of jetlag + playing loads of game = fatigue, I don't see MVP having any issues just cruising through the open bracket.



It's still stupid for a champion of one of the tournaments in the pro circuit doesn't get automatic seeding into the big finale.


Those are the rules. Making an exception would be stupid and unfair. Mvp prioritized (and rightfully so) GSL over MLG, thats why hes not here, no one should blame him or the MLG organization here.


I'm not saying they should make exceptions, just that it's very stupid that such a major detail like a champion not being seeded was overlooked in the way the format was set up.


Theres some conversation that champions are seeded, although im not 100% sure. If Mvp was seeded with the reason being he was the champion then that would be awesome
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:23:26
October 17 2011 02:23 GMT
#19830
On October 17 2011 11:21 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:18 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:08 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:06 zodde wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:55 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:53 Derez wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:51 Rayansaki wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:48 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
SOOO close Idra gets top seed for Providence by 10 points
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings


The exact seed is probably irrelevant past the groups 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16


Edit:

Incontrol #16
Mvp #19
TT

MVP is getting a Gom invite, don't worry.


But the format shown in liquipedia page doesn't account for any Gom invites, so I thought only GSL players seeded in the top 16 already would be flown in by gom? And even if Mvp got flown in he'd have to play in the open bracket? Because there's nothing in the format that would allow him to get seeded in

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence



Except for the combo of jetlag + playing loads of game = fatigue, I don't see MVP having any issues just cruising through the open bracket.



It's still stupid for a champion of one of the tournaments in the pro circuit doesn't get automatic seeding into the big finale.


Those are the rules. Making an exception would be stupid and unfair. Mvp prioritized (and rightfully so) GSL over MLG, thats why hes not here, no one should blame him or the MLG organization here.


I'm not saying they should make exceptions, just that it's very stupid that such a major detail like a champion not being seeded was overlooked in the way the format was set up.

mvp was invited to return to mlg through the exchange program and declined

so actually no, you can't blame mlg in any possible way at all, part of the arrangement was to invite the previous champion back for each event
aaaaa
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
October 17 2011 02:23 GMT
#19831
who cares if huk is canadian or american, the important thing is hes crazy good and dominated in this mlg!
htn2481
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Vietnam117 Posts
October 17 2011 02:23 GMT
#19832
What an amazing day for toss. Grats to huk and MC. So glad MC os no longer in Code B.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:26:20
October 17 2011 02:24 GMT
#19833
On October 17 2011 11:20 kinglemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:18 Noxblood wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:07 kinglemon wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:00 Azarkon wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:51 Goshdarnit wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:48 TexDrum wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:45 catabowl wrote:
On October 17 2011 09:43 Noxblood wrote:
what does slasher do now?


Nothing... only non followers consider Huk a "Foreigner"

Anyone who trains in Korea under that atmosphere is considered a "Korean" player.



See this makes no sense. The reason that koreans are so good is because they train so hard. If a foreigner moves to korea to become as good as them, why does he suddenly become a korean? If that's true, then koreans will ALWAYS be on top, because everybody will just call the best foreigners korean, regardless of where they practice, just because they adopt the korean method of training.


True. The whole "discussion" is stupid but you can't jsut make people korean at a whim.

Also HuK is soo short next to plott brothers and co.


The discussion, as it were, is a silly argument over semantics, which only occurs because people are not willing to look at what's really being discussed.

What we learned from this tournament is -

1. "Korean" (ie dedicated, full-time) training is what makes the difference between Koreans and foreigners.


it's not.
stephano plays just euro ladder for some hours a day and can beat almost everybody.
and tbh, just playing in korea won't make u superstar, there is more to it.
look at jinro for example.

Jinro isn't the best dude to pull out as an example. just because he got 2 semi finals inn GSL. he is inn a slope. just like MC was, just like idra was it is just a little longer. People become better the more u practice. Stephano plays more than 3-4 hours a day. he said that when i play more than 4 hours a day i start loosing. Too become the best u most likely have to play and practice inn Korea. But that do not make you a Korean!


that's what i wanted to say.
jinro is not even on high europe standards for prox the last half year, although he trains in korea 10 hours a day.
korea won't make u awesome, it's still on yourself.

saying huk is not a foreigner is discrediting imo.



Korean training won't automatically make you awesome, but it seems necessary for you to reach the level where you can consistently win against top Koreans. Stephano performed very, very well in IPL and gave many hope that foreigner training is closing the gap. But a phone call from TheWind seemingly allowed STC to 2-0 him, after which he lost to Boxer 1-2, making it difficult to argue that Stephano can consistently perform against Koreans.

But, who knows, maybe foreigner training IS closing the gap. I did allow for that possibility since I think the EG training house probably did have an effect on IdrA's improved performance as of late.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
October 17 2011 02:24 GMT
#19834
On October 17 2011 11:14 Rapier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:11 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
On October 17 2011 11:07 zodde wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:57 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
So, Idra's loss to MarineKing actually made him 400 extra dollars.

I find this humorous.


Explain?


After MKP beat Idra, he played Huk and MC and lost both games. If Idra had won, that would have been him, which would have put him in fifth place instead of fourth. Fifth place pays $1,000 and fourth pays $1,400.



Well, he did have to go through Boxer, Hongun and bomber, so you cant really say that he won 400 dollars over mkp just because of losing to him, that sounds a bit ridiculous to me.


Uh, OK, but if he had won, he would have never been in the position do play any of those people. He would have played Huk and, presumably, lost then played MC and lost again and ended up fifth. So, losing to MKP netted Idra 400 dollars.
xguyx
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
October 17 2011 02:25 GMT
#19835
good job to foreigners for sure
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell. -Buddha
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:27:11
October 17 2011 02:26 GMT
#19836
On October 17 2011 11:20 kinglemon wrote:

saying huk is not a foreigner is discrediting imo.



Discrediting what?
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
October 17 2011 02:29 GMT
#19837
Idra being the only person of non korean training to take a spot, he's most definitely back.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
October 17 2011 02:31 GMT
#19838
MVP didnt come to this mlg because it doesnt make sense financially or otherwise. mlg winner only gets 5k, his upcoming gsl finals at blizzcon is much more important and the flying back and forth business was not legit.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
October 17 2011 02:33 GMT
#19839
On October 17 2011 11:31 aintz wrote:
MVP didnt come to this mlg because it doesnt make sense financially or otherwise. mlg winner only gets 5k, his upcoming gsl finals at blizzcon is much more important and the flying back and forth business was not legit.

Captain Obvious.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:36:00
October 17 2011 02:35 GMT
#19840
On October 17 2011 10:49 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:45 Tuba wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:43 Medrea wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:42 Tuba wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:36 Medrea wrote:


Whats a plyon?

The elf version of a pylon. I guess. <_<


pl'yon?

Am i doing it right?

EDIT: No, more apostrophes.

pl'y'on'


Now insert some random letters that look slightly fancy and medieval and I think you've got it!



pl'ÿ'øn'

Got it.


Tolkien was actually a skilled linguist and didn't use this kind of nonsense.

Now, R. Scott Bakker...

On October 17 2011 11:29 Headnoob wrote:
Idra being the only person of non korean training to take a spot, he's most definitely back.


Idra does not have Korean training?

Is CJ Entus not a respectable enough team?
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