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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 15 2011 20:50 GMT
#421
blue still showing the same as red (july/hero)?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 15 2011 20:55 GMT
#422
July so gosu. Nice scouting
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 15 2011 20:56 GMT
#423
oh man july's bringing the pain
ThyHate
Profile Joined September 2011
240 Posts
October 15 2011 20:57 GMT
#424
July & FD, those guys are so fun to watch !
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 21:02:16
October 15 2011 21:01 GMT
#425
On October 16 2011 05:50 sixfour wrote:
blue still showing the same as red (july/hero)?


Yep.

Beta 1 shows TLO vs IdrA, Beta 2 nothing.
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 21:35:02
October 15 2011 21:03 GMT
#426
On October 16 2011 05:05 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:57 Spinoza wrote:
Comparison between Chess and StarCraft is false. Granted that the computational universe of SC is larger than Chess, but SC is currently in the state Chess was in in the 1800s roughly. And it will never be understood like chess is (chess uses one map only, SC constantly adds new maps).

Just my thoughts.

Spinoza

Well, the comparison can't really be false, it can just be more or less substantiated. If SC now is where Chess was a few centuries ago, then the comparison of the two sports is clearly valid, their just at different developmental stages. Furthermore, the number of maps being used isn't really an argument for the game never being understood as well. While new maps are unique, they all have shared characteristics, and once those characteristics are understood the game will be understood. The game will keep on evolving (just like chess, although more rapidly of course), but the principles will still be understood.

Basically, I'd say it's a fairly good comparison but shouldn't be interpreted too strictly. Both games are a combination of strategy and tactics, both games incorporate war elements such as positioning and unit/piece placement, and both games are quite mentally taxing. However, that's about as far as the comparison goes.


Yes, I understand and appreciate your argument (good argument by the way), but, the number of maps being used is a major part of my argument. It goes something like this: the number of possible games on one chess board (one map) is larger than what will ever be possible to play out by humanity during the rest of the lifespan of this universe (look here for a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_numberhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number). This number surprises many people, I myself have problems wrapping my head around it to be honest. A conservative estimate is that the computational complexity of SC on just one map, say Metalopolis, is _at the very least_ an order of magnitude larger than that of chess on one map (the chess board).

But does that mean it is an order of magnitude more difficult than Chess?

No not at all. Given enough time they will both reach a state where the upper limit of what is humanly possible to perform will be approached. In the case of Chess: the limits of working memory and abstraction (pure intelligence). In the case of SC: the limits of manual dexterity, reaction time and multitasking .. and abstraction. SC (or other RTS games of similar design) are limited in the level of understanding by the evolving map pool and the requirements of skills separate from skills required for Chess.

Chess is a more cerebral and less physical game than SC. SC is a game that stress other qualities.

The comparison is void even if we only played Metalopolis for the rest of the lifespan of this universe.

Again, just my thoughts. Thanks for the comment. GG HF GL.

Edit: tried to fix the link .. does it work? If not .. search for Shannon Number.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 21:05:24
October 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#427
Gas, range upgrade and lair, he's going nydus hydra I think

Edit: I'm such an idiot
I have no quote!
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#428
Anyone else think that July looks like a buddha statue in the fisheye camera?
Zyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands564 Posts
October 15 2011 21:10 GMT
#429
On October 16 2011 06:07 T0fuuu wrote:
Anyone else think that July looks like a buddha statue in the fisheye camera?
haha same here.

Btw did those phoenix just pull that infestor out of the ground? :o Never saw that
ret * Leenock * DiMAGA * Grubby * FBH
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 15 2011 21:11 GMT
#430
hero's 3rd is now up and running
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 15 2011 21:14 GMT
#431
ugh hero...............that's just tough especially witih hero's great play with those phoenixes.
rigelq
Profile Joined May 2010
United States230 Posts
October 15 2011 21:16 GMT
#432
Yes! gogogogogogo july! so awesome!
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
October 15 2011 21:16 GMT
#433
July playing really well so far, HerO had some bad engagements but still July played beautifully!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
October 15 2011 21:17 GMT
#434
On October 16 2011 06:05 najreteip wrote:
Gas, range upgrade and lair, he's going nydus hydra I think

Edit: I'm such an idiot


lol i was thinking the same thing don't worry he even had an overlord right in front of the forge which made me thing he was going to do the hydra bust as well
ambient_orange
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
October 15 2011 21:18 GMT
#435
im rooting for july soo badly!!!
DOA: "Where are the signs for Nestea?" MC: "In Korea."
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 15 2011 21:21 GMT
#436
Is Puma vs Sase up next on this stream?
KT best KT ~ 2014
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 21:23:30
October 15 2011 21:22 GMT
#437
Nice job July

And this is getting annoying:
+ Show Spoiler +
Sharks! Dragons! Vipers! Hawks! Scorpions!
=)=
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
October 15 2011 21:26 GMT
#438
Did WhiteRa play his next match?
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
October 15 2011 21:35 GMT
#439
PuMa vs SaSe gonna be so sick!
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
October 15 2011 21:42 GMT
#440
Anyone know which "Killer Tracks" song this is?
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