Before MLG started when the open bracket was listed, a few people were noting that he has had decent success in open bracket last few mlg's. Not making pool play perhaps, but going many rounds into the open and generally only falling to some pro or another.
Yay TheSTC!! This MLG belongs to you. Really well played by both in the second game, kinda weird that Stc won due to the fact that Stephano killed his marines like two times...
Does anyone know how was the first game? I heard TheStc cheesed.
Can someone help me out here? I was watching STC vs Stephano on both the red and blue streams. I thought that the streams played different matchups from each other?
On October 16 2011 01:04 Ambarella wrote: Can someone help me out here? I was watching STC vs Stephano on both the red and blue streams. I thought that the streams played different matchups from each other?
Using quad view atm, its kinda hard to get all streams running on ultra qual, can someone tell me if theres a game going right now on the blue stream? Currenty, im only seeing the MLG pro circuit logo
such a retarded game... I hate how tvp often ends up like that, where neither army can really engage and we end up with a stupid post-basetrade situation
That was a good set, nice PvT play despite the weird base trade on dual sight, but that game 2 early harass with the stalkers into the 2 immortal push was really cool.
On October 16 2011 02:05 Belial88 wrote: on what stream did the white-ra vs stephano game occur? im trying to watch it and not sure like when it happened, kind find info on the website.
awesome you can rewind the streams though, but this is the series i hear about and not sure how to watch it.
On October 16 2011 02:04 Subversion wrote: only 5 pages in an MLG LR thread?
wats going on here?
Everybody likes red more Asked several mods/banlings to close this one and rename Red btw, really not needed today to have 2 threads. Didn´t think before opening...
On October 16 2011 02:05 Belial88 wrote: on what stream did the white-ra vs stephano game occur? im trying to watch it and not sure like when it happened, kind find info on the website.
awesome you can rewind the streams though, but this is the series i hear about and not sure how to watch it.
There’s a lot of people out there I think that are just afraid that they’re suddenly not going to be able to connect to the internet tonight and they won’t be able to play. I actually think that case is extremely rare, and I think we’re going to be okay.”
organizations are paying blizz to do tourneys and have to advertise bliz for free. about time would bring some servers and set them up on site to simulate lan, since theyre not giving that away to general crowd
He's gonna hit before stim with the prism - he could ferry his entire army to high ground near instantly if he postions it properly and FF jinro out of his base
5:00 Jinro goes up to 4 rax while gasless. Sase gets more gateways.
6:45 Warp gate finishes for Sase and he gets his 2nd gas and robotics facility. Jinro gets 3rd command center still gasless.
8:40 Jinro getting 2 refineries, factory and stim and sends a marine force out to the watch tower. Sase gets robotics bay and a warp prism and forge.
9:30 Sase getting thermal lance and +1 weapons along with a colossus finishing.
9:55 Sase does a sentry drop killing 2 workers and backing off.
10:50 Stim finishing for Jinro and hes getting a ghost academy. Sase gets a 2nd forge and getting his upgrades while getting a twilight.
12:20 Sase tries to drop a zealot but retreats while getting charge and hallucination.
13:50 Jinro teching hard and getting his 4th CC. Charge, and weapon + armor upgrades finishing for Sase.
14:30 Jinro drops and snipes a robotics facility and colossus and retreats.
16:00 Sase moving out to the center with his colossus/archon/gateway force and sets up a proxy pylon and Jinro scans his army.
17:30 Huge engagement comes and Sase hallucinates many colossuses to tank damage and cleans the army and proceeds to wipe out the 3rd. Jinro drops the main of Sase.
6:45 Warp gate finishes for Sase and he gets his 2nd gas and robotics facility. Jinro gets 3rd command center still gasless.
8:40 Jinro getting 2 refineries, factory and stim and sends a marine force out to the watch tower. Sase gets robotics bay and a warp prism and forge.
9:30 Sase getting thermal lance and +1 weapons along with a colossus finishing.
9:55 Sase does a sentry drop killing 2 workers and backing off.
10:50 Stim finishing for Jinro and hes getting a ghost academy. Sase gets a 2nd forge and getting his upgrades while getting a twilight.
12:20 Sase tries to drop a zealot but retreats while getting charge and hallucination.
13:50 Jinro teching hard and getting his 4th CC. Charge, and weapon + armor upgrades finishing for Sase.
14:30 Jinro drops and snipes a robotics facility and colossus and retreats.
16:00 Sase moving out to the center with his colossus/archon/gateway force and sets up a proxy pylon and Jinro scans his army.
17:30 Huge engagement comes and Sase hallucinates many colossuses to tank damage and cleans the army and proceeds to wipe out the 3rd. Jinro drops the main of Sase.
20:00 Sase snipes a floating command center in the middle of the map.
8:40 Jinro getting 2 refineries, factory and stim and sends a marine force out to the watch tower. Sase gets robotics bay and a warp prism and forge.
9:30 Sase getting thermal lance and +1 weapons along with a colossus finishing.
9:55 Sase does a sentry drop killing 2 workers and backing off.
10:50 Stim finishing for Jinro and hes getting a ghost academy. Sase gets a 2nd forge and getting his upgrades while getting a twilight.
12:20 Sase tries to drop a zealot but retreats while getting charge and hallucination.
13:50 Jinro teching hard and getting his 4th CC. Charge, and weapon + armor upgrades finishing for Sase.
14:30 Jinro drops and snipes a robotics facility and colossus and retreats.
16:00 Sase moving out to the center with his colossus/archon/gateway force and sets up a proxy pylon and Jinro scans his army.
17:30 Huge engagement comes and Sase hallucinates many colossuses to tank damage and cleans the army and proceeds to wipe out the 3rd. Jinro drops the main of Sase.
20:00 Sase snipes a floating command center in the middle of the map.
23:00 Another engagement begins between Sase and Jinro but Sase's superior upgrades gives him the upper hand.
9:30 Sase getting thermal lance and +1 weapons along with a colossus finishing.
9:55 Sase does a sentry drop killing 2 workers and backing off.
10:50 Stim finishing for Jinro and hes getting a ghost academy. Sase gets a 2nd forge and getting his upgrades while getting a twilight.
12:20 Sase tries to drop a zealot but retreats while getting charge and hallucination.
13:50 Jinro teching hard and getting his 4th CC. Charge, and weapon + armor upgrades finishing for Sase.
14:30 Jinro drops and snipes a robotics facility and colossus and retreats.
16:00 Sase moving out to the center with his colossus/archon/gateway force and sets up a proxy pylon and Jinro scans his army.
17:30 Huge engagement comes and Sase hallucinates many colossuses to tank damage and cleans the army and proceeds to wipe out the 3rd. Jinro drops the main of Sase.
20:00 Sase snipes a floating command center in the middle of the map.
23:00 Another engagement begins between Sase and Jinro but Sase's superior upgrades gives him the upper hand.
24:50 Sase closes in and attacks into Jinro's natural.
9:55 Sase does a sentry drop killing 2 workers and backing off.
10:50 Stim finishing for Jinro and hes getting a ghost academy. Sase gets a 2nd forge and getting his upgrades while getting a twilight.
12:20 Sase tries to drop a zealot but retreats while getting charge and hallucination.
13:50 Jinro teching hard and getting his 4th CC. Charge, and weapon + armor upgrades finishing for Sase.
14:30 Jinro drops and snipes a robotics facility and colossus and retreats.
16:00 Sase moving out to the center with his colossus/archon/gateway force and sets up a proxy pylon and Jinro scans his army.
17:30 Huge engagement comes and Sase hallucinates many colossuses to tank damage and cleans the army and proceeds to wipe out the 3rd. Jinro drops the main of Sase.
20:00 Sase snipes a floating command center in the middle of the map.
23:00 Another engagement begins between Sase and Jinro but Sase's superior upgrades gives him the upper hand.
24:50 Sase closes in and attacks into Jinro's natural. Jinro GGs.
On October 16 2011 02:45 Cyro wrote: No offense but WHY THE HELL ARE THEY TEACHING PEOPLE TO 1-1-1 ALL IN ON THE F***ING MLG STREAM
Why do you call it F***ING mlg stream? You do realize you are watching it right now.
Id really appriciate MLG not showing fifty thousand people how to perform the most annoying and hated all-in in the history of starcraft 2 down to the supply you drop the starport at after denying scouting
I refuse to support conditions like these with my viewership. This lag is horrendous, and people need to knock down Blizzard's doors till they give us LAN. This is an insult to the players, the tournament organizers, and the viewers.
On October 16 2011 03:17 rotegirte wrote: why the f does sheth not pause
Werent you watching? Sheth asked for pause but the admin or casters are only spectator so player has to pause. OF COURSE sheth doesnt know this cos the ref typed it back in spec chat. Normally players only pause if something stopping them from playing the game like a mouse dies, with just spots of lag they would rather ask opponent and refs to pause.
On October 16 2011 03:16 zerious wrote: awful ingame lag
It could be just the streaming computer though.
you can easily tell that it's ingame
well I can't, how do you tell it's in game?
TvZ is the most horrible matchup to play with lag IMO.
because the game uses TCP, the obs cannot experience different lag from the players. And it's not the stream itself, as the camera is moving during the lag
On October 16 2011 03:21 EmilA wrote: I don't get it. It looked as if Sheth screwed up bigtime like 4 times and in the end he came out way ahead anyways. /Puzzled.
Puma's macro seemed a bit off in that game- he should have had way more stuff out. Maybe having that third denied a few times threw off his timings.
On October 16 2011 03:26 Issamu wrote: What the hell. Do they REALLY play without booths/headstes in the middle of the crowd????
ye, i've been there.. the crowd is really tame. It hasn't been an issue at any of the other MLGs and highly unlikely it will be an issue at this one. also. this isn't main stage matches
On October 16 2011 03:34 Amornthep wrote: Sheth vs Puma G2 - Shattered Temple
0:10 Players spawning cross-positions. Sheth spawns at the right side. Puma spawns at the left side.
2:20 Sheth goes for hatch first again @ 15 supply. Puma opens normally with rax and gas.
3:50 Puma throws down his factory. Pool and hatchery finishes for Sheth.
4:35 Puma going for reactor hellion expand while Sheth throws down his roach warren.
6:00 Hellions of Puma kills off some lings at the middle and Puma getting stim.
6:50 Creep tumor gets picked of by hellions and Sheth goes for a attack but bunker finishes up in time with a marauder inside.
8:00 Sheth picks off some hellions and starts ling speed. Puma securing his natural and getting medivacs.
9:50 Lair finishing for Sheth. Puma taking out the rocks at the gold with his MMM. Sheth also taking out his gold rocks.
10:50 Puma pushes into the natural of Sheth taking out some creep tumors and gets into a nice position taking out so many lings while losing so little units.
On October 16 2011 03:34 Amornthep wrote: Sheth vs Puma G2 - Shattered Temple
0:10 Players spawning cross-positions. Sheth spawns at the right side. Puma spawns at the left side.
2:20 Sheth goes for hatch first again @ 15 supply. Puma opens normally with rax and gas.
3:50 Puma throws down his factory. Pool and hatchery finishes for Sheth.
4:35 Puma going for reactor hellion expand while Sheth throws down his roach warren.
6:00 Hellions of Puma kills off some lings at the middle and Puma getting stim.
6:50 Creep tumor gets picked of by hellions and Sheth goes for a attack but bunker finishes up in time with a marauder inside.
8:00 Sheth picks off some hellions and starts ling speed. Puma securing his natural and getting medivacs.
9:50 Lair finishing for Sheth. Puma taking out the rocks at the gold with his MMM. Sheth also taking out his gold rocks.
10:50 Puma pushes into the natural of Sheth taking out some creep tumors and gets into a nice position taking out so many lings while losing so little units.
13:00 Puma killing so much with so little but mutas cleans up the army but Puma already secures his 3rd at the gold while getting marine-tank.
Sheth very dead. That engagement with the bio with their backs against the cliff was a disaster for Sheth, and the gold up for Puma means Sheth has no hope if Puma plays it out right.
On October 16 2011 03:34 Amornthep wrote: Sheth vs Puma G2 - Shattered Temple
0:10 Players spawning cross-positions. Sheth spawns at the right side. Puma spawns at the left side.
2:20 Sheth goes for hatch first again @ 15 supply. Puma opens normally with rax and gas.
3:50 Puma throws down his factory. Pool and hatchery finishes for Sheth.
4:35 Puma going for reactor hellion expand while Sheth throws down his roach warren.
6:00 Hellions of Puma kills off some lings at the middle and Puma getting stim.
6:50 Creep tumor gets picked of by hellions and Sheth goes for a attack but bunker finishes up in time with a marauder inside.
8:00 Sheth picks off some hellions and starts ling speed. Puma securing his natural and getting medivacs.
9:50 Lair finishing for Sheth. Puma taking out the rocks at the gold with his MMM. Sheth also taking out his gold rocks.
10:50 Puma pushes into the natural of Sheth taking out some creep tumors and gets into a nice position taking out so many lings while losing so little units.
13:00 Puma killing so much with so little but mutas cleans up the army but Puma already secures his 3rd at the gold while getting marine-tank.
15:00 Sheth trying to harass with his mutas while Puma sends out a drop.
2:20 Sheth goes for hatch first again @ 15 supply. Puma opens normally with rax and gas.
3:50 Puma throws down his factory. Pool and hatchery finishes for Sheth.
4:35 Puma going for reactor hellion expand while Sheth throws down his roach warren.
6:00 Hellions of Puma kills off some lings at the middle and Puma getting stim.
6:50 Creep tumor gets picked of by hellions and Sheth goes for a attack but bunker finishes up in time with a marauder inside.
8:00 Sheth picks off some hellions and starts ling speed. Puma securing his natural and getting medivacs.
9:50 Lair finishing for Sheth. Puma taking out the rocks at the gold with his MMM. Sheth also taking out his gold rocks.
10:50 Puma pushes into the natural of Sheth taking out some creep tumors and gets into a nice position taking out so many lings while losing so little units.
13:00 Puma killing so much with so little but mutas cleans up the army but Puma already secures his 3rd at the gold while getting marine-tank.
15:00 Sheth trying to harass with his mutas while Puma sends out a drop.
16:00 Puma pushes out with a marine-tank force while his drop supplies block Sheth. Sheth getting burrow but GGs out realising he cannot stop the incoming push.
They say that after the Red bull lan sheths zvt went from his weakest matchup to up there with his strongest but after his games against puma I can understand why. He plays with so much confidence now its refreshing.
On October 16 2011 04:20 DJams wrote: Quote and repeat this message if you want to see: MKP vs Idra on blue stream, atleast get the camera guy to zoom in on the overhead screens.
MKP is playing Drewbie right now. If they don't show MKP IdrA I may have to whip out my pitchfork. That match will likely determine the winner of the group. I have to imagine they will though.
On October 16 2011 04:20 DJams wrote: Quote and repeat this message if you want to see: MKP vs Idra on blue stream, atleast get the camera guy to zoom in on the overhead screens.
MKP is playing Drewbie right now. If they don't show MKP IdrA I may have to whip out my pitchfork. That match will likely determine the winner of the group. I have to imagine they will though.
Thx for clarifying, I just want to see MKP's play screen instead of the crowd, MLG did this last time by zooming in on the overhead big screens.
On October 16 2011 04:20 DJams wrote: Quote and repeat this message if you want to see: MKP vs Idra on blue stream, atleast get the camera guy to zoom in on the overhead screens.
MKP is playing Drewbie right now. If they don't show MKP IdrA I may have to whip out my pitchfork. That match will likely determine the winner of the group. I have to imagine they will though.
Thx for clarifying, I just want to see MKP's play screen instead of the crowd, MLG did this last time by zooming in on the overhead big screens.
I disagree that siege tank is the best unit in TvT. Rather it's the viking, because - vikings dictate who wins the tank battles due to vision, and vikings dictate who wins the BC battles.
i have a problem with the stream: instead of the ads it just shows me a black screen. i can hear the sound but no picture. wouldnt mind, but it also doesnt show me the stream after the ad. so i have to reload after every ad and have to hope there wont be an ad but one of the mlg self promotion vids.
On October 16 2011 04:52 Zeon0 wrote: i have a problem with the stream: instead of the ads it just shows me a black screen. i can hear the sound but no picture. wouldnt mind, but it also doesnt show me the stream after the ad. so i have to reload after every ad and have to hope there wont be an ad but one of the mlg self promotion vids.
any ideas?
and no, i dont have adblock turned on.
had the same problem, seems to be with the routing to austria, also there is a thread in their forum, nothing helped for me except buying membership
Comparison between Chess and StarCraft is false. Granted that the computational universe of SC is larger than Chess, but SC is currently in the state Chess was in in the 1800s roughly. And it will never be understood like chess is (chess uses one map only, SC constantly adds new maps).
On October 16 2011 04:57 Spinoza wrote: Comparison between Chess and StarCraft is false. Granted that the computational universe of SC is larger than Chess, but SC is currently in the state Chess was in in the 1800s roughly. And it will never be understood like chess is (chess uses one map only, SC constantly adds new maps).
Just my thoughts.
Spinoza
Well, the comparison can't really be false, it can just be more or less substantiated. If SC now is where Chess was a few centuries ago, then the comparison of the two sports is clearly valid, their just at different developmental stages. Furthermore, the number of maps being used isn't really an argument for the game never being understood as well. While new maps are unique, they all have shared characteristics, and once those characteristics are understood the game will be understood. The game will keep on evolving (just like chess, although more rapidly of course), but the principles will still be understood.
Basically, I'd say it's a fairly good comparison but shouldn't be interpreted too strictly. Both games are a combination of strategy and tactics, both games incorporate war elements such as positioning and unit/piece placement, and both games are quite mentally taxing. However, that's about as far as the comparison goes.
TLO falls into the Incontrol/Tyler/Drewbie category also. He's an entertaining player to watch, it's just that he shouldn't be in pool play at all. Not good enough.
On October 16 2011 04:57 Spinoza wrote: Comparison between Chess and StarCraft is false. Granted that the computational universe of SC is larger than Chess, but SC is currently in the state Chess was in in the 1800s roughly. And it will never be understood like chess is (chess uses one map only, SC constantly adds new maps).
Just my thoughts.
Spinoza
Well, the comparison can't really be false, it can just be more or less substantiated. If SC now is where Chess was a few centuries ago, then the comparison of the two sports is clearly valid, their just at different developmental stages. Furthermore, the number of maps being used isn't really an argument for the game never being understood as well. While new maps are unique, they all have shared characteristics, and once those characteristics are understood the game will be understood. The game will keep on evolving (just like chess, although more rapidly of course), but the principles will still be understood.
Basically, I'd say it's a fairly good comparison but shouldn't be interpreted too strictly. Both games are a combination of strategy and tactics, both games incorporate war elements such as positioning and unit/piece placement, and both games are quite mentally taxing. However, that's about as far as the comparison goes.
Yes, I understand and appreciate your argument (good argument by the way), but, the number of maps being used is a major part of my argument. It goes something like this: the number of possible games on one chess board (one map) is larger than what will ever be possible to play out by humanity during the rest of the lifespan of this universe (look here for a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_numberhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number). This number surprises many people, I myself have problems wrapping my head around it to be honest. A conservative estimate is that the computational complexity of SC on just one map, say Metalopolis, is _at the very least_ an order of magnitude larger than that of chess on one map (the chess board).
But does that mean it is an order of magnitude more difficult than Chess?
No not at all. Given enough time they will both reach a state where the upper limit of what is humanly possible to perform will be approached. In the case of Chess: the limits of working memory and abstraction (pure intelligence). In the case of SC: the limits of manual dexterity, reaction time and multitasking .. and abstraction. SC (or other RTS games of similar design) are limited in the level of understanding by the evolving map pool and the requirements of skills separate from skills required for Chess.
Chess is a more cerebral and less physical game than SC. SC is a game that stress other qualities.
The comparison is void even if we only played Metalopolis for the rest of the lifespan of this universe.
Again, just my thoughts. Thanks for the comment. GG HF GL.
Edit: tried to fix the link .. does it work? If not .. search for Shannon Number.
On October 16 2011 06:05 najreteip wrote: Gas, range upgrade and lair, he's going nydus hydra I think
Edit: I'm such an idiot
lol i was thinking the same thing don't worry he even had an overlord right in front of the forge which made me thing he was going to do the hydra bust as well
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
I think SaSe can beat him, if anyone, right now
As much as I despise 1-1-1, this is exaggerated.
In NASL he didn't use it ONCE (because it hadn't come back into the limelight for pros) and beat MC 4-3, not 4-0.
Why was SaSe's army there ??? Why did he start the Robotics Bay when he saw the scv-s coming ? WTF was he thinking, he was actually in a great position ...
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
I think SaSe can beat him, if anyone, right now
Puma didnt beat MC 4-0. It was 4-3 and he didnt use 1-1-1 against him. But he used against Squirtle.
I'm a toss player and I think people really need to relax on the hate on Puma. He can play other styles really well but if the strategy is available you can't hate on him for using it. If anything, direct your rage at blizzard for not addressing this problem for so long even though everyone knows how unfair the strategy is.
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
I think SaSe can beat him, if anyone, right now
Puma didnt beat MC 4-0. It was 4-3 and he didnt use 1-1-1 against him. But he used against Squirtle.
Damn wtf i keep getting tournaments mixed up then, i checked the IEM games, dunno why i thought that about NASL
On October 16 2011 07:08 Vyce wrote: Oh geeze here we go again. 1-1-1 inc. God I hate this build
Oh yea
Puma beat MC at NASL 4-0 and IEM 3-0 back to back by using 1-1-1 ALMOST every game, and doing greedy 1rax expands in the rest betting on 1-1-1 fear to keep him safe
I think SaSe can beat him, if anyone, right now
Puma didnt beat MC 4-0. It was 4-3 and he didnt use 1-1-1 against him. But he used against Squirtle.
Damn wtf i keep getting tournaments mixed up then, i checked the IEM games, dunno why i thought that about NASL
Im just gonna stop saying stuff i am not 1000% sure about, thanks and sorry again
Was it just me or did Sase have too many Stalkers? More Zealots might have been better, although that said the marine count would have wittled them down before enough got into melee range.
I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
If you're going to be aggressive against 1-1-1, you can't do it half assed because one simple bunker will shut it down so easily. Either go 3G VR all-in or 4G. Otherwise, contain and defend the banshees.
On October 16 2011 07:21 Erasme wrote: I'd like to thanks PuMa for showing us how weak is his TvP without 1/1/1 by not trying.
he beat mc in nasl finals without using 1-1-1 once, seriously hate blizzard for allowing 1-1-1 not the player.
He does do other builds, he showed at IPL3 he can do other stuff. But really whats sase doing? Puma goes 1-1-1 with cloak alot and he dosent have any detection >_>
On October 16 2011 07:16 Rybaia wrote: Lol Puma... Such and abuser... 0 respect for this guy. Blizzard needs to wake up seriously.
Blizzard won't take Sase's awful play last game for an argument on 1-1-1 being imba. I'm still wondering wtf was he thinking ...
He wasnt expecting the scv pull i think, it was closer than it looked especially with all the tanks dead
He should always expect it, he should have known Puma is on one base, so why take stupid risks ?
Any strategy in the game is a stupid risk vs a 1-1-1 all in with scvs pulled
Any strategy, that doesn't involve non-retarded unit positioning and not-teching while being all-ined. Most protosses would have won in his position ...
On October 16 2011 07:21 Erasme wrote: I'd like to thanks PuMa for showing us how weak is his TvP without 1/1/1 by not trying.
he beat mc in nasl finals without using 1-1-1 once, seriously hate blizzard for allowing 1-1-1 not the player.
He does do other builds, he showed at IPL3 he can do other stuff. But really whats sase doing? Puma goes 1-1-1 with cloak alot and he dosent have any detection >_>
He had the robo ready but accidently spent the gas he needed for obs with 1 stalker too much warped in
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. 0-2 against Bomber at Orlando currently. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
On October 16 2011 07:26 dae wrote: 1-1-1 is just such a silly build. Try to blind counter the no cloak version and just auto lose to cloak version :-(.
Puma does cloak banshee build all the time he does 1-1-1, it shouldnt be a suprice to sase to have detection ready
Sase tilting in this game. Too many Stalkers and no Obs when he must have realised that a Banshee was incoming? That said, the 1-1-1 is just obnoxious - really mindfucks with Protoss.
Wow Sase looked bad vs puma. All the wrong responses to 1-1-1 ;( I'm hoping that SaSe just didn't want to reveal his all smash vs 1-1-1 until the champ bracket
On October 16 2011 07:26 dae wrote: 1-1-1 is just such a silly build. Try to blind counter the no cloak version and just auto lose to cloak version :-(.
The 20 second warpgate nerf removed heavy warpgate attacks from the counter list of 5 minute starport, as it stands, with a bunker at the ramp and those marines, it is literally impossible to kill a good terran, warp prism all ins etc are all 1 base and if you stay 1 base he can throw up a second bunker and just salvage it when you expand, so ive never actuly seen anyone killed since 1.3.6 by rushing starport with marines and a bunker + scv's
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
DJWheat: Some 1-1-1s come WITHOUT cloak. Actually, many do. Sase tried his best to play absolutely safe last game by getting a faster observer. This game, he took a gamble. It wasn't a silly mistake, it was a calculated decision.
On October 16 2011 07:28 ReachTheSky wrote: Wow Sase looked bad vs puma. All the wrong responses to 1-1-1 ;( I'm hoping that SaSe just didn't want to reveal his all smash vs 1-1-1 until the champ bracket
He would have been in a better position winning his group than saving builds for the bracket.
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches.
"best terran in korea" my ass.
As if losing to MVP, Nada or MMA, three of the ultra top terrans means your TvP sucks when you actually didn't list a single protoss.
On October 16 2011 07:29 Eee wrote: Man blizzard really has to do someting about 111
they are too stupid to realize why its so powerful.
They act as if 1 immortal range is going to help, the problem is there are so many marines and its near impossible to get enough splash damage out to deal with them when tanks/banshee kill all gateway units and if you rush to colluses you have no gas for stalkers so the banshees rip them apart.
don't know what the proper response is if you put down a nexus.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
On October 16 2011 07:28 Dommk wrote: This is what Puma does in every recent PvT, just watch some of his games vs lesser known players i.e Cruncher
He 1-1-1's the first game then Cloak 1-1-1's on the map that is the most favored for regular 1-1-1, i.e Dual sight and Xel'Naga
If you think the 1-1-1 on Shakuras was bullshit then imagine it on Xel'Naga, how do you even stop that?
Sase took a risk here, it didn't work.
In another situation I would agree with you, 1-1-1 still needs nerfing despite me being terran xD. However : Teching to collossi when you've already seen a 1-1-1 coming and you are on 2base is not a risk. Not making an observer after seeing a cloak banshee is not a risk. It's what would have happened if you didn't scout them and decided to risk, and had the bad luck. In this case, it was just abysmal decision making.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
SaSe built a robo ENTIRELY for obsevers at that point... but he warped in 1 stalker too many and didnt have the gas at the right timing... a slight macro mistake that cost him the whole game
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
The game was over even if he had built an observer. He just used all his warpgate cooldowns, he then has to run all his probes around until he has the observer out and enough Stalkers to defend just after investing in an expansion...There is almost a garunteed loss of around 5+ Probes and a ton of lost mining time.
Even with the observer the game was already over, Sase couldn't break up Puma's ramp nor defend the banshee
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches.
"best terran in korea" my ass.
As if losing to MVP, Nada or MMA, three of the ultra top terrans means your TvP sucks when you actually didn't list a single protoss.
I know it's suprising but there aren't many Code S protoss. I don't think he has played one within the last 1-2 months.
Puzzle, Hongun, Genius, Huk... can't remember other one
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
Wow wow what the hell have I done to deserve insult? And FYI, Sase actually threw up a Robo in his main that 2nd game as soon as he saw the Banshee cloak.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
The barracks wall/bunker on xelnaga with a naked rax showing is a dead give away for cloaked banshee when u know the terran took his gas.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
You are aware that as soon as he hit 75 gas after seeing the first cloak he cronoed one out? Both assimilators were in the main with a cloak banshee raining death upon the probes.
yea thats the same issue, that protoss cant scout. Terran can scan if he wants, zerg can send overlord s to the opponents base, yes its all costly, but toss just dont have any possible ways to scout at all, its just not provided by game mechanic. Sase played really bad second game no question, but imagine how frustrate it to play after such a game 1.
SaSe definitely went on tilt there. I wouldn't look at game 1 as watching PuMa outplaying SaSe very much, though he did let puma get a siege shot off before even moving in. 1-1-1 just doesn't look fair.
The fact that blizzard buffed immortal range as the solution is kinda silly. It made the immortals better against zerg more than terran imo. What they need to do is to buff immortal armor so that they are better against marines.
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches.
"best terran in korea" my ass.
As if losing to MVP, Nada or MMA, three of the ultra top terrans means your TvP sucks when you actually didn't list a single protoss.
I know it's suprising but there aren't many Code S protoss. I don't think he has played one within the last 1-2 months.
Puzzle, Hongun, Genius, Huk... can't remember other one
Actuly, HuK and Killer are the only protoss left in Code S now.
if someone has the honor of not going 1-1-1 against toss as terran for 3 months............that player would be awesome. it's just frustrating watchin 1-1-1.......
On October 16 2011 07:35 SolidZeal wrote: SaSe definitely went on tilt there. I wouldn't look at game 1 as watching PuMa outplaying SaSe very much, though he did let puma get a siege shot off before even moving in. 1-1-1 just doesn't look fair.
The fact that blizzard buffed immortal range as the solution is kinda silly. It made the immortals better against zerg more than terran imo. What they need to do is to buff immortal armor so that they are better against marines.
They would have to make marine damage (6) get lowered that way...hence immortals would lower damage from EVERYTHING and become stupidly overpowered
Edit: Wait, you literally mean immortal armor... shit, missed that entirely.
Yeah, if immortals had 3 base armor they would be brilliant vs marines, but still not replace colossi as the go-to anti bio unit.. Sadly it would also make them take 2 damage from zerglings instead of 5, and break PvZ as immortals are already cost effective vs even hydralisks there
On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote: I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters.
erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea.
NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches.
"best terran in korea" my ass.
As if losing to MVP, Nada or MMA, three of the ultra top terrans means your TvP sucks when you actually didn't list a single protoss.
I guess reading three lines of text was too much for you. Allow me to rephrase myself for your convenience: He wins TvP because he abuses the 1/1/1, often in games where he doesn't even do it. Aside from that, his general play is quite poor, and definitely not "top Korean Terran" level.
Also, Nada isn't an "ultra top Terran", he's a consistent mid-range Code S player.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
Wow wow what the hell have I done to deserve insult? And FYI, Sase actually threw up a Robo in his main that 2nd game as soon as he saw the Banshee cloak.
Look back at the game and then look at Sase's gas when the banshee comes into his main. He didn't have enough gas for the obs as he kept running his probes away. He was at like 40 gas and he made an obs as soon as he got 75 gas.
Please understand the situation before making uneducated comments... seriously I wish I didn't get so irritated by these comments
On October 16 2011 07:25 Jakkerr wrote: I'm not gonna cry because I know what will happen.
But come on blizzard is this really the game we wanna play?
If Sase had gone dt-s, and Puma didn't have orbitals and turrets for some reason, would that be imbalanced too ? :D
What Terran doesn't get an orbital? Stop being silly.
Well, what protoss doesn't get cannons/obs at the cloak banshee timing ? Except for those proxy-gating and 4-gating that would force cloak cancel ??
Are you actually this dumb?
If Sase gets the obs, and it's a no cloak 1/1/1, he loses. End of story, obs won't help b/c Puma will have a raven, and he won't have 2 immortals when the push hits.
If he doesn't get the obs, and it's a cloak 1/1/1 puma wins.
However, if he gets the obs and it's a cloak 1/1/1, he can still lose and puma can still win, same with the vice versa.
That's the problem with 1/1/1 - total coin flip for the toss. If you prepare for it and it hits, you can lose, if you prepare for it and they're not 1/1/1ing then you DO lose.
Your DT analogy holds no water at all. Their is no heavy allin follow up to DTs, and Terran's detection (scan) doesn't require teching to, and can hold down the fort until turrets are up, which come from a building you want anyway.
Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about.
On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote: Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore
Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering?
Lol comments like this are so bullshit..
Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron
Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue.
Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault..
And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby
Wow wow what the hell have I done to deserve insult? And FYI, Sase actually threw up a Robo in his main that 2nd game as soon as he saw the Banshee cloak.
The robo was up and idle for a long time. SaSe made two mistakes against the Cloak Banshee, he warped in his stalker rounds at his forward pylon (at that time I thought he was just gonna go for the base trade) rather than at his base to defend. He then didn't get the observer because he wasted his gas on the stalkers.
SaSe tilted hard that game, and I'm sure he knows it. It was pretty depressing to watch, but just kind of unfortunate.
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
On October 16 2011 07:34 usethis2 wrote: Sase did not make observers? I was sure that I saw a robo.
He didn't have the gas as both his assimilators were in the main where he evacuated his probes to the banshee.
He made the robo and left it idle to make an obs if a banshee came out... And then he warped in 1 stalker too many and didnt have the gas pool to make the obs, everything fell apart from there
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
^ pretty sure he knew its over after banshee killed 15 probes even before it cloacked, so it wasnt actually matter building obs or not. you cant defend 1-1-1 with such a heavy loses. game was over right there.
On October 16 2011 07:40 pallidiog wrote: ^ pretty sure he knew its over after banshee killed 15 probes even before it cloacked, so it wasnt actually matter. you cant defend 1-1-1 with such a heavy loses. game was over right there.
Game was over on the tenth kill vs an scv pull playing vs Puma, i think.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He supply blocks himself all the time, at the very least. It was so bad that MrBitter and Rotterdam made fun of it at IEM when he played JYP.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
You must be really desperate to defend PuMa if you claim Coca has good TvZ. Or that Nada has top3 TvT. Face it man, PuMa would be a "forever Code A" Terran, even if he managed to qualify.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
Puma legitimatly supply blocks himself every minute or so, or atleast he did a short while ago whenever he isnt on 1 base
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
never said he was bad, i said his macro is bad.
watch his supply compared to other top terrans, thats why he hasn't won vs another top korean terran in god no hows long.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
Wtf is your problem man, there is a difference between discussion, however biased, and saying trolololol (etc) in multiple posts less than 1 min apart
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Coca Top 3 Korea O_o?
Bomber and Nada, retard.
Lol NaDa top 3 Korean player? Are you serious? Plus take you useless insults for yourself. if you don't know how to argue don't post...
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He supply blocks himself all the time, at the very least. It was so bad that MrBitter and Rotterdam made fun of it at IEM when he played JYP.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
You must be really desperate to defend PuMa if you claim Coca has good TvZ. Or that Nada has top3 TvT. Face it man, PuMa would be a "forever Code A" Terran, even if he managed to qualify.
Yeah and while that game Jyp also supply blocked him self tons of times.. but you don't hear 'm about that..
It's just becaues they said it everyone thinks only puma supply blocks himself. While this isn't the case...
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He supply blocks himself all the time, at the very least. It was so bad that MrBitter and Rotterdam made fun of it at IEM when he played JYP.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
On October 16 2011 07:40 laharl23 wrote:
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
You must be really desperate to defend PuMa if you claim Coca has good TvZ. Or that Nada has top3 TvT. Face it man, PuMa would be a "forever Code A" Terran, even if he managed to qualify.
Yeah and while that game Jyp also supply blocked him self tons of times.. but you don't hear 'm about that..
It's just becaues they said it everyone thinks only puma supply blocks himself. While this isn't the case...
Actually, he does that a lot in most of his games, if you pay attention to his supply. He sometimes even manages it while on 1 base, which is quite remarkable for a good Korean player.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, like I said, he'll lose to the first good T or Z he meets in the Championship Bracket.
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Coca Top 3 Korea O_o?
Bomber and Nada, retard.
Lol NaDa top 3 Korean player? Are you serious? Plus take you useless insults for yourself. if you don't know how to argue don't post...
I'm glad I didnt watch the games of sase and puma live. I rewinded and saw the series only whent a few minutes so I kinda knew what was going to happen after the first minutes of game one. Horrible games and no fun to watch. 111 is just disgustingly op even though sase didnt play too well the build is just unfair since it takes no skill and p's skill is almost irrelevant. A well timed 111 means even in the best case scenario when you guessed correct you just have a chance of stopping it. In the other cases you are dead and there is little you can do about it.
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote: Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times... -.-
LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Coca Top 3 Korea O_o?
Bomber and Nada, retard.
Lol NaDa top 3 Korean player? Are you serious? Plus take you useless insults for yourself. if you don't know how to argue don't post...
In Korea, Nada is regarded as top 3 TVT
I did understand that you where talking about TvT. My english is bad and I apologize for that. I didn't express well my thoughts. So best TvTer's are MVP, Bomber and NaDa? If you say so... Still I'm not sure about NaDa.
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
NaDa's consistency in code S is still pretty incredible, the guy may not be at the tip-top of skill levels but you can almost always pencil him down for ro8.
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Ahaha, I read his post, refreshed and the symbol turned into a nuke. I literally loled
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Ahaha, I read his post, refreshed and the symbol turned into a nuke. I literally loled
yaim previously banned user so i just make diff accounts with emails like d fgndfgngfn@yahoo.com xD
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
im bashing the people bashing puma
I was not bashing puma, and i certainly try not to blatantly roll over forum rules
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Ahaha, I read his post, refreshed and the symbol turned into a nuke. I literally loled
yaim previously banned user so i just make diff accounts with emails like d fgndfgngfn@yahoo.com xD
So you are spamming new accounts to say "trolololol" and call people retards?
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
im bashing the people bashing puma
I was not bashing puma, and i certainly try not to blatantly roll over forum rules [/QUOTE] What the fuck i was bashing the people bashing puma, gong w/ you, and you are like Mods? because you think im bashing puma, but im just wasting time and arguing to "semi" defend puma
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
im bashing the people bashing puma
I was not bashing puma, and i certainly try not to blatantly roll over forum rules
What the fuck i was bashing the people bashing puma, gong w/ you, and you are like Mods? because you think im bashing puma, but im just wasting time and arguing to "semi" defend puma[/QUOTE]
No, you admitted to making another account when your first account was banned and you said a lot of offensive stuff
On October 16 2011 08:19 BuddhaMonk wrote: I really don't understand why SaSe constantly does bad aggressive blinks. Blink is so much better when you're blinking individual stalkers back.
He had to blink weirdly last fight because there was like 50+ lings off camera messing up everything
Hmm i cant really sum up why SaSe lost that game, he didnt overcommit and loose his army at any point and he took the third at the safest possible timing
On October 16 2011 08:19 BuddhaMonk wrote: I really don't understand why SaSe constantly does bad aggressive blinks. Blink is so much better when you're blinking individual stalkers back.
He had to blink weirdly last fight because there was like 50+ lings off camera messing up everything
No, he did it before the lings had gone through the wall, and he did it when he was pressuring as well, blinking forward past his own forcefields.
On October 16 2011 08:10 xxyaenxx wrote: UOTE]On October 16 2011 08:04 Cyro wrote:
On October 16 2011 08:03 xxyaenxx wrote:
On October 16 2011 08:00 Cyro wrote:
On October 16 2011 07:55 lovethelovers wrote:
On October 16 2011 07:49 Cyro wrote:
On October 16 2011 07:43 lovethelovers wrote: He forgets some supply depots and sometimes his money macro isnt as good as bomb-ber. he is so bad, so shit obv trolololol
On October 16 2011 07:45 lovethelovers wrote:
Bomber and Nada, retard.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
Mods?
my post looks stupid, but i liek to anti-player bash with poor grammar sarcasm
Im pretty sure player bashing is against forum rules
im bashing the people bashing puma
I was not bashing puma, and i certainly try not to blatantly roll over forum rules
What the fuck i was bashing the people bashing puma, gong w/ you, and you are like Mods? because you think im bashing puma, but im just wasting time and arguing to "semi" defend puma
No, you admitted to making another account when your first account was banned and you said a lot of offensive stuff[/QUOTE] noononono im reffering to you saying im sure player bashing is against the rules too
On October 16 2011 08:21 IMNotMvp wrote: i dont understand why toss never get inmortals
SaSe is the only toss ive seen go 2-3 robo immortal to hard counter mass roach - but he needed the colossi there to deal with the infestors, maybe lings and potential hydras
On October 16 2011 08:21 Cyro wrote: Hmm i cant really sum up why SaSe lost that game, he didnt overcommit and loose his army at any point and he took the third at the safest possible timing
His positioning was quite poor when sheth attacked with roach+infestor.
On October 16 2011 08:19 BuddhaMonk wrote: I really don't understand why SaSe constantly does bad aggressive blinks. Blink is so much better when you're blinking individual stalkers back.
He had to blink weirdly last fight because there was like 50+ lings off camera messing up everything
No, he did it before the lings had gone through the wall, and he did it when he was pressuring as well, blinking forward past his own forcefields.
That was a bad blink, but he didnt really loose anything from it
On October 16 2011 08:21 Cyro wrote: Hmm i cant really sum up why SaSe lost that game, he didnt overcommit and loose his army at any point and he took the third at the safest possible timing
His positioning was quite poor when sheth attacked with roach+infestor.
On October 16 2011 08:19 BuddhaMonk wrote: I really don't understand why SaSe constantly does bad aggressive blinks. Blink is so much better when you're blinking individual stalkers back.
He had to blink weirdly last fight because there was like 50+ lings off camera messing up everything
No, he did it before the lings had gone through the wall, and he did it when he was pressuring as well, blinking forward past his own forcefields.
That was a bad blink, but he didnt really loose anything from it
He lost like 5 stalkers. When you go for a pure stalker army, you can't lose stalkers like that.
On October 16 2011 08:28 Grend wrote: Artosis is so great! I want to taste my enemy attacking aswell
There should be an interface system for small amounts of pain etc on various alerts, just enough to feel, would let you understand what was happening at a higher level than sound+sight
On October 16 2011 08:34 branflakes14 wrote: A non-HT Protoss drop that paid for itself!
This so much.
He does a very similar thing in PvP when he fast expands, with the goal of stopping mining of his enemy for 15-40 sec while he gets his 2 base economy working and he is having great success with it
Remember when someone asked in SOTG about this sentry drop thing and they said NOOO wtf bullshit who is gonna do that (incontrol looking at you) well Sase who wins games DOES it both Tyler and Incontrol said its bullshit. Sase even did it even vs incontrol I think sotg starts to lose alot of credit about their "insight".....
sick play by sase... I think an overlord in between the base on the intial drop would've saved Sheth the game because he could have reacted much sooner. Either way awesome creative play
On October 16 2011 08:38 Severus_ wrote: Remember when someone asked in SOTG about this sentry drop thing and they said NOOO wtf bullshit who is gonna do that (incontrol looking at you) well Sase who wins games DOES it both Tyler and Incontrol said its bullshit. Sase even did it even vs incontrol I think sotg starts to lose alot of credit about their "insight".....
SaSe won that game because he denied mining for 30+ sec while his second base was paying for itself, incontrols counterattack after he got 1 base mining fixed got CRUSHED by just more stuff from 2base... was awesome
On October 16 2011 08:38 Severus_ wrote: Remember when someone asked in SOTG about this sentry drop thing and they said NOOO wtf bullshit who is gonna do that (incontrol looking at you) well Sase who wins games DOES it both Tyler and Incontrol said its bullshit. Sase even did it even vs incontrol I think sotg starts to lose alot of credit about their "insight".....
On October 16 2011 08:38 Severus_ wrote: Remember when someone asked in SOTG about this sentry drop thing and they said NOOO wtf bullshit who is gonna do that (incontrol looking at you) well Sase who wins games DOES it both Tyler and Incontrol said its bullshit. Sase even did it even vs incontrol I think sotg starts to lose alot of credit about their "insight".....
That was before the warp prism buff to be honest.
Sase has been doing that drop on his stream successfully vs GM Koreans on ladder since long before the patch
On October 16 2011 08:38 Severus_ wrote: Remember when someone asked in SOTG about this sentry drop thing and they said NOOO wtf bullshit who is gonna do that (incontrol looking at you) well Sase who wins games DOES it both Tyler and Incontrol said its bullshit. Sase even did it even vs incontrol I think sotg starts to lose alot of credit about their "insight".....
That was before the warp prism buff to be honest.
Sase has been doing that drop on his stream successfully vs GM Koreans on ladder since long before the patch
At one point in this game the warp prism would have died if not for the health buff, so it does help.
Not only is he good, he has got way more potential to get better with his style. He's just going to stay ahead of other protosses that are just doing the same things
On October 16 2011 08:43 Meself wrote: Wtf, Antiga is great close positions. But it's probably the blink-abusing Protoss in me talking.
You can shift queue blink from the third of one base into the main of another on ladder with vision... Lots of stupid leapfrogs on this map too third to main, and also that stupid platform between the low ground and the back of the main - Siege tanks and marines on that platform as well as above and below it ive never seen loose a game
On October 16 2011 08:43 Meself wrote: Wtf, Antiga is great close positions. But it's probably the blink-abusing Protoss in me talking.
You can shift queue blink from the third of one base into the main of another on ladder with vision... Lots of stupid leapfrogs on this map too third to main, and also that stupid platform between the low ground and the back of the main - Siege tanks and marines on that platform as well as above and below it ive never seen loose a game
Lol yea. I always lose some mass-blinking Stalkers to that platform. :/
On October 16 2011 08:43 Meself wrote: Wtf, Antiga is great close positions. But it's probably the blink-abusing Protoss in me talking.
You can shift queue blink from the third of one base into the main of another on ladder with vision... Lots of stupid leapfrogs on this map too third to main, and also that stupid platform between the low ground and the back of the main - Siege tanks and marines on that platform as well as above and below it ive never seen loose a game
Lol yea. I always lose some mass-blinking Stalkers to that platform. :/
To date i have lost four ladder games to nydus into my main using vision from a ground unit in the zergs third - with FFE on antiga you have to fill your main with buildings and a lot of hydras or roaches from FFE will straight out kill you if you dont have 10000% perfect simcity so you can actuly hit them with zealots after getting back into your main quickly
ontopic, Sheth looses his third, ling runby into sase's natural, lots of lings die, retreating, more stuff going down at sheths natural, sase retreating, going to loose 5 sentries maybe
So Sase has amazing PvZ and PvP. Needs some work on this PvT and i do feel that PvT is a matchup where doing creative stuff just doesn't work very well unfortunately :/
LOL. pizza rolls commercial was hilarious. "do you know what our favorite part of shooting hoops is? ...OVERTIME." kids eat pizza rolls as "we're the kids in america" plays and the commercial ends. fucking fat americans.
On October 16 2011 08:57 Daray wrote: So Sase has amazing PvZ and PvP. Needs some work on this PvT and i do feel that PvT is a matchup where doing creative stuff just doesn't work very well unfortunately :/
Actually, PvZ is his worst matchup by far. That has at least been the case on the ladder in Korea. I don't know what happened vs Puma but he can play much better than that and he has held 1-1-1's from top GM Koreans multiple times before.
On October 16 2011 08:57 Daray wrote: So Sase has amazing PvZ and PvP. Needs some work on this PvT and i do feel that PvT is a matchup where doing creative stuff just doesn't work very well unfortunately :/
Actually, PvZ is his worst matchup by far. That has at least been the case on the ladder in Korea. I don't know what happened vs Puma but he can play much better than that and he has held 1-1-1's from top GM Koreans multiple times before.
On October 16 2011 08:57 Daray wrote: So Sase has amazing PvZ and PvP. Needs some work on this PvT and i do feel that PvT is a matchup where doing creative stuff just doesn't work very well unfortunately :/
Actually, PvZ is his worst matchup by far. That has at least been the case on the ladder in Korea. I don't know what happened vs Puma but he can play much better than that and he has held 1-1-1's from top GM Koreans multiple times before.
On October 16 2011 08:57 Daray wrote: So Sase has amazing PvZ and PvP. Needs some work on this PvT and i do feel that PvT is a matchup where doing creative stuff just doesn't work very well unfortunately :/
Actually, PvZ is his worst matchup by far. That has at least been the case on the ladder in Korea. I don't know what happened vs Puma but he can play much better than that and he has held 1-1-1's from top GM Koreans multiple times before.
Ok thx. He didn't have a chance vs PuMa though
Im not sure what happened in game 1, he didnt quite have enough units after the scv pull from puma, ive seen him survive the exact same thing before though.
He made a slight macro mistake and didnt have the gas for his obs in game 2 and maybe with his warp cycles which let a banshee get into his base and deny gas mining for too long for him to get back into the game
On October 16 2011 09:02 MCMXVI wrote: My stream keeps freezing up... even on low/medium... anyone else having this trouble? Tried both IE and firefox..
On October 16 2011 09:07 MCMXVI wrote: Seriously... The streams are unwatchable for me. Each stream keeps freezing up after 10-15 seconds, even on low/medium (i have a silver membership).
Anyone else experiencing the same?
Restart your browser, there is a bandwidth leak issue with quality/stream changes for mlg
HEAVY roach ling pressure timing attack by Slush, walking all over Hongun, the nexus finishes, taking HEAVY damage, shields gone, some health damage, great forcefields, no cannons placed down, massive amount of lings rallied, all the roaches are dead
On October 16 2011 09:02 MCMXVI wrote: My stream keeps freezing up... even on low/medium... anyone else having this trouble? Tried both IE and firefox..
On October 16 2011 09:07 MCMXVI wrote: Seriously... The streams are unwatchable for me. Each stream keeps freezing up after 10-15 seconds, even on low/medium (i have a silver membership).
Anyone else experiencing the same?
Restart your browser, there is a bandwidth leak issue with quality/stream changes for mlg
Hongun counterattacking with zeal stalker sentry, kills 2 spinecrawlers and a ton of lings, more crawlers and lings, gg from slush... epic hold from roach ling attack
On October 16 2011 09:19 Krossfire wrote: Rofl JP and Tasteless trying to breakdown zvp on that map..........this is why they need artosis
That Roach/ling pressure (even all-in variations, im not sure what slush did) is HELL for protoss on that map, you need perfect forcefields to hold from a sentry expand and yet FFE is almost a build order loss to it because of the weird positions for metal, you need so many cannons to cover all sides
On October 16 2011 09:19 Krossfire wrote: Rofl JP and Tasteless trying to breakdown zvp on that map..........this is why they need artosis
That Roach/ling pressure (even all-in variations, im not sure what slush did) is HELL for protoss on that map, you need perfect forcefields to hold from a sentry expand and yet FFE is almost a build order loss to it because of the weird positions for metal, you need so many cannons to cover all sides
Well they were talking about zergs taking a 3rd and obviously its hard to do with rocks blocking but Hongun didnt FFE so zerg didnt need a super fast 3rd
On October 16 2011 09:19 Krossfire wrote: Rofl JP and Tasteless trying to breakdown zvp on that map..........this is why they need artosis
That Roach/ling pressure (even all-in variations, im not sure what slush did) is HELL for protoss on that map, you need perfect forcefields to hold from a sentry expand and yet FFE is almost a build order loss to it because of the weird positions for metal, you need so many cannons to cover all sides
Well they were talking about zergs taking a 3rd and obviously its hard to do with rocks blocking but Hongun didnt FFE so zerg didnt need a super fast 3rd
People take a 6-7 minute third in response to gateway expands and those same gateway expands often follow up with 5-7gate attacks at 8-9 minutes where you would need the rocks gone and creep between the nat and third, it is hard for zerg to do that and not die outright to anything, but protoss is not exactly favored on the map because of the roach/ling and a few other factors
On October 16 2011 09:28 Cyro wrote: zealot beats roach 1v1, they are not "terrible" IMO
It's a matter of surface area - one on one does not happen. And even if it does, kiting is something zealots don't do. In a tight area, only the front zealots can attack, while all of the roaches can. In open areas, roaches kite zealots. So, pre-charge, roaches overpower Zealots because positioning and micro all work in their favor.
On October 16 2011 09:28 Cyro wrote: zealot beats roach 1v1, they are not "terrible" IMO
It's a matter of surface area - one on one does not happen. And even if it does, kiting is something zealots don't do. In a tight area, only the front zealots can attack, while all of the roaches can. In open areas, roaches kite zealots. So, pre-charge, roaches overpower Zealots because positioning and micro all work in their favor.
Pre-charge its pretty roach favored yea, but zeal archon for example will annihilate roaches cost for cost if you hit a nice timing, even if zeals themselves cant trade 1:1
ff's and flanks do allow you to trade zeals for suprising amounts of roaches, though
On October 16 2011 09:29 DaCruise wrote: Slush is such a cheesy player. I rarely find myself cheering for a korean vs a foreigner but in this match I do.
hehe have you ever watched HongUn play? Unless you're totally unfamiliar with him your comment makes no sense to me
On October 16 2011 09:29 DaCruise wrote: Slush is such a cheesy player. I rarely find myself cheering for a korean vs a foreigner but in this match I do.
hehe have you ever watched HongUn play? Unless you're totally unfamiliar with him your comment makes no sense to me
I commented Slush´s play. What does HongUn has to do with that?
My comment makes perfect sense. We also saw that in game 3 with yet another roach/ling all-in.
And yeah. I am pretty unfamiliar with HongUn but he totally deserved to win that series imo.
Am I the only one who keep getting black screen on the streams over and over again? It's getting really fucking annoying and it only happens on the MLG streams
On October 16 2011 09:50 trucane wrote: Am I the only one who keep getting black screen on the streams over and over again? It's getting really fucking annoying and it only happens on the MLG streams
Restart browser and try it without changing quality (not more than once)
On October 16 2011 09:50 trucane wrote: Am I the only one who keep getting black screen on the streams over and over again? It's getting really fucking annoying and it only happens on the MLG streams
On October 16 2011 09:50 trucane wrote: Am I the only one who keep getting black screen on the streams over and over again? It's getting really fucking annoying and it only happens on the MLG streams
Same here
I got that all the time last MLG. None so far this weekend, though.
On October 16 2011 10:31 humbre wrote: whats so "lol", the fact that bomber had more scvs and bases all the time ?
You do realize the game would have been totally different without that ninja expo - not only results, but also that SaSe's decision making was based on not knowing about the hidden base.
On October 16 2011 10:26 humbre wrote: outmacroed so hard
best be trollin For a player that apparently has unrivalled macro, he looked like he had a hard time beating a player who he was one base up with the entire time. And what do you know, Bomber is doing it again.
Yeah, unlucky for SaSe. If there had not been a third player tied for first, or if he had a better games won percentage than Puma he would have taken first in the group since tie breakers are first decided by head to head match results.
Edit: The MLG rules don't specifically address three-way ties in which head to head does not solve the order, as in this situation where SaSe beat Bomber, Bomber beat Puma and Puma beat SaSe. But I'm assuming games won percentage would still be the fallback.
On October 16 2011 10:52 DrainX wrote: Now Sase has to face Idra if he wins his next game in the loser brackets Hope he can still win even though he has been having problems with PvZ.
And his opponent could be Stephano, if he pulls through ...
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
On October 16 2011 10:52 DrainX wrote: Now Sase has to face Idra if he wins his next game in the loser brackets Hope he can still win even though he has been having problems with PvZ.
And his opponent could be Stephano, if he pulls through ...
Oh god Going from the worst possible group to the worst possible loserbracket. Poor guy.
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
I think if SaSe and Puma were tied in games won percentage (both at 8-3) it would go to Seed, in which case Puma would win because of his higher seed. Head to head is ruled out in this case because of the three way tie, where the head to head is circular and solves nothing (Bomber beat Puma, Puma beat SaSe, SaSe beat Bomber - so that gets thrown out as tie-breaker).
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
Its direct score (who beat who) before games. But direct score is even here. (don't know if they count the games there as well - but would be same order) Puma is 8-2.
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
It does normally go to head to head first as the tiebreaker. However, that only really works with two player tie. The situation is that Sase > Bomber but Puma > Sase and Bomber > Puma. So head to head is tied all around. Hence score differential is used.
On October 16 2011 10:52 DrainX wrote: Now Sase has to face Idra if he wins his next game in the loser brackets Hope he can still win even though he has been having problems with PvZ.
but before that would happen, there is a huge probability that SaSe would must win a PvZ vs STEPHANO coming all way thru OB and from lowers also ^^
Im rootin for these two guyz and Im sad they have to fight ;>
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
Its direct score (who beat who) before games. But direct score is even here. (don't know if they count the games there as well - but would be same order) Puma is 8-2.
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
Its direct score (who beat who) before games. But direct score is even here. (don't know if they count the games there as well - but would be same order) Puma is 8-2.
puma lost 2 to bomber and 1 to sheth according to tlpd
On October 16 2011 10:47 CalmB4theStorm wrote: Wow, the game that Sheth took off SaSe put Sase 3rd instead of first. Ouch.
He would have been third even if he didn't lose that game.
Really? I guess I don't understand the tiebreakers. All 4-1, but in sets SaSe 8-3, Puma 8-3, Bomber 9-2. But Sase > Bomber > Puma > Sase. So it goes matches, games, then who beat who?
Its direct score (who beat who) before games. But direct score is even here. (don't know if they count the games there as well - but would be same order) Puma is 8-2.
8-3, bomber is 9-2
You need to re-read the posts you're quoting, the discussion is about a hypothetical.
On October 16 2011 10:52 DrainX wrote: Now Sase has to face Idra if he wins his next game in the loser brackets Hope he can still win even though he has been having problems with PvZ.
but before that would happen, there is a huge probability that SaSe would must win a PvZ vs STEPHANO coming all way thru OB and from lowers also ^^
Im rootin for these two guyz and Im sad they have to fight ;>
Or he could play KiWi and be up 2-0 in extended series
On October 16 2011 10:52 DrainX wrote: Now Sase has to face Idra if he wins his next game in the loser brackets Hope he can still win even though he has been having problems with PvZ.
but before that would happen, there is a huge probability that SaSe would must win a PvZ vs STEPHANO coming all way thru OB and from lowers also ^^
Im rootin for these two guyz and Im sad they have to fight ;>
Or he could play KiWi and be up 2-0 in extended series
yea Kiwi is awsome too!! also interesting that we will have a rematch between KiWi and Stephano and those people who have seen them recently fighting in IPL3 know what is coming ^^
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