EPTMvP wins and he'll win the whole thing.
Bomber wins and he'll lose to Nestea who will lose to MMA.
[GSL] Oct Code S RO16 Day 2 - Page 4
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
MvP wins and he'll win the whole thing. Bomber wins and he'll lose to Nestea who will lose to MMA. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:30 JJH777 wrote: Kind of disappointing that 6 of these players are better than every single player on the other side of the bracket besides MMA. Uhh Happy ? I really feel like the guy doesnt get enough credit. Same goes for Asd. If anything Id rate them both higher than Supernova and Virus in most matchups cept v P. Rounding off weve got clide and Ryung. Im sorry but thats a poor generalization to make. All of those players are there bcause they deserve to be there. The only players with any real pedigree are MVP and Nestea and the likes of Bomber and DRG are scary but they havent really done anything yet to suggest that the other side of the bracket would lose to them hands down. Quite the contrary. They are generally unable to get over the hump most of the time despite looking really good. After all DRG got taken by MKP during AOL. Actually more like he got absolutely dominated in a Bo5. Hes still the best ZvT by far but he isnt a shoe in to beat the players on that side (heck he even lost to Clide in GSTL). So to suggest that is just a bad way of saying "Those players are better because I see them win more often" Im really excited. Its so open with just 2 favourites who are destined to kill each even if they win, so it opens it up even more. And you never know Bomber may well crush both MVP and Nestea only to throw it away. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:30 JJH777 wrote: Kind of disappointing that 6 of these players are better than every single player on the other side of the bracket besides MMA. Who knows, this could be the break out tournament for the other 3 on the opposite side of the bracket. To be fair, the other side: - MMA: obviously hyped. Some of the best TvZ, good TvT. Makes entertaining TvZ games regardless. - Clide: there would be a big story here. Clide lately has looked good in TvT too, honestly I'll be picking him over MMA in Liquibet. - Happy: might be the most underrated terran player in Code S. I doubt he can win the whole thing, but he's been winning a lot lately. His last 10 games are 8-2, with the 2 being DRG and MVP. Never shame in that. - Coca: potentially his break out tournament also (alongside Happy and Clide). ZvP looked so strong, but looked weak in ZvT. But now looks insane. Honestly, if he can beat Happy and only has ZvT left...well...we'll see. The move to SlayerS makes him looking more and more like a potential powerhouse. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
He has 100% winrate against T this GSL Overall 69.2 against T(GSL) Virus has an overall 60% against Z and has not played against Zerg this season. Nestea has a pretty high chance to win this | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:44 windsupernova wrote: I don't like how some people are underestimating Nestea He has 100% winrate against T this GSL Overall 69.2 against T(GSL) Virus has an overall 60% against Z and has not played against Zerg this season. Nestea has a pretty high chance to win this No one is counting Nestea out against anyone besides MvP who has a 8-1 record over him or MMA who seems to have his number as well. | ||
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:45 NotSorry wrote: No one is counting Nestea out against anyone besides MvP who has a 8-1 record over him or MMA who seems to have his number as well. Well I saw some people acting as if Virus was a lock. MVP is a lock against everybody and yeah against Nestea he will beat him | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:47 JJH777 wrote: MMA deserves to be on the weaker side of the bracket because he lost to Nestea.... interesting. Generally the player that wins in group stages deserves the easier side of the bracket but not according to Rebs. All the players do not deserve their bracket spots. MMA got ridiculously lucky and I wish Nestea lost to him and got 2nd in group he would be a shoe in for the finals then. Stacked groups also make it really hard to say every player deserves his spot and there were several groups where almost every player deserved ro16 or at least 3. yea he got lucky. Just like the last GSL. Keep telling yourself that. Nestea is godly ZvT no doubt but hes in that spot becuase he lost. your suggesting that 6 of the 8 players on the top are without a shadow of a doubt better. I disagree. I only find Mvp and Nestea to be adding to that stack. Bomber is to incosistent despite being dangerous and DRG could lose to any terran on the lower side including MMA, Clide and or Happy. Doesnt mean he will, but they are perfectly capable of (and have) beaten him. Thats all im saying. This is the GSL code S Ro16 there are no "easy" games. The only player with an advange is one who has been there and done that. Thats the 2 IMentioned (see what i did there). | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 05 2011 13:10 Sc2Null wrote: to think, we could have 4 terrans advancing or 1T/3Z..interesting. Zergs have been raping this season man. Code S Zergs have like 55% winrate against T and like 70 against P. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them advanced. | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:54 Rebs wrote: yea he got lucky. Just like the last GSL. Keep telling yourself that. Nestea is godly ZvT no doubt but hes in that spot becuase he lost. your suggesting that 6 of the 8 players on the top are without a shadow of a doubt better. I disagree. I only find Mvp and Nestea to be adding to that stack. Bomber is to incosistent despite being dangerous and DRG could lose to any terran on the lower side including MMA, Clide and or Happy. Doesnt mean he will, but they are perfectly capable of (and have) beaten him. Thats all im saying. This is the GSL code S Ro16 there are no "easy" games. The only player with an advange is one who has been there and done that. Thats the 2 IMentioned (see what i did there). Nestea didn't lose. Thats what he means. But yeah I agree in that hell even in Code S in general there are no easy games | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:54 Rebs wrote: yea he got lucky. Just like the last GSL. Keep telling yourself that. Nestea is godly ZvT no doubt but hes in that spot becuase he lost. your suggesting that 6 of the 8 players on the top are without a shadow of a doubt better. I disagree. I only find Mvp and Nestea to be adding to that stack. Bomber is to incosistent despite being dangerous and DRG could lose to any terran on the lower side including MMA, Clide and or Happy. Doesnt mean he will, but they are perfectly capable of (and have) beaten him. Thats all im saying. This is the GSL code S Ro16 there are no "easy" games. The only player with an advange is one who has been there and done that. Thats the 2 IMentioned (see what i did there). Did you read what I wrote...? Because you are actually straight up wrong. MMA did not win his group Nestea WON his group. He didn't lose it. 2-0 MMA Nada. Get placed on the side of the bracket where you will either have to face Bomber or MVP in the ro8. Sounds fair.. Your post doesn't really make sense unless you are suggesting MMA threw his game to Nestea to make sure he got this side of the bracket. For the second part yes any of those players can beat anyone on this side of the bracket in a bo5 or a bo3 but anyone can do that. IdrA won like 4 games out of 22 against Puma in the practice house and then beat him in a bo5. I don't think there can be any doubt that most of the players from the top would go like 60-40 or better vs the bottom players if they played 100 games. | ||
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usethis2
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:59 JJH777 wrote: Did you read what I wrote...? Because you are actually straight up wrong. MMA did not win his group Nestea WON his group. He didn't lose it. 2-0 MMA Nada. Get placed on the side of the bracket where you will either have to face Bomber or MVP in the ro8. Sounds fair.. Your post doesn't really make sense unless you are suggesting MMA threw his game to Nestea to make sure he got this side of the bracket. For the second part yes any of those players can beat anyone on this side of the bracket in a bo5 or a bo3 but anyone can do that. IdrA won like 4 games out of 22 against Puma in the practice house and then beat him in a bo5. I don't think there can be any doubt that most of the players from the top would go like 60-40 or better vs the bottom players if they played 100 games. On October 05 2011 14:59 Rebs wrote: o yea your right Im sorry. its a quarter thats been setup because of that. Well thats just how it works, the players choose the groups. Its not done at random thats a part of the game aswell. calm down dude. I already corrected myself. Im not suggesting any of that nature. Bomber got second in his group and the player who beat him has been knocked out. So really it should be bomber who should be cursing himself for being there. That significantly drops the stack doesnt it ? O no wait DRG is there to o noes. Hes a GSTL beast why is he there !!! GSL is baised o noes.. he should be playing on that side instead of Ganzi or Happy (who beat the previous to last GSL finalist) o noes. To much whine. Code S will whittle and plateau to where it should be eventually again the only player with more pedigree than anyone else in that group are MVP and Nestea and it just so happens that they will land up in the quarters against each other. Thats how tournaments work all finals cant be setup so mvp and nestea play them. Sorry about that. So if bomber lost to a player who alreadyyy got knocked out. Then I guess the bottom half isnt so bad is it ? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On October 05 2011 14:47 JJH777 wrote: MMA deserves to be on the weaker side of the bracket because he lost to Nestea.... interesting. Generally the player that wins in group stages deserves the easier side of the bracket but not according to Rebs. All the players do not deserve their bracket spots. MMA got ridiculously lucky and I wish Nestea lost to him and got 2nd in group he would be a shoe in for the finals then. Stacked groups also make it really hard to say every player deserves his spot and there were several groups where almost every player deserved ro16 or at least 3. I wish GSL would be like the MSL and reseed after the group stages so that top players are placed on opposite sides of the bracket. MMA basically has a free ride to the finals while 4 of the top 5 players by Elo have to battle it out on the other side of the bracket. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:00 usethis2 wrote: All terrans except MVP/Bomber are undeserving code S, IMO. (From today's groups) Virus I can agree with, but Ganzi and Supernova would walk all over anyone in code A right now so don't see how they are undeserving of code S. | ||
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cold-
Canada209 Posts
nestea 2-0 virus ganzi 2-0 leenock dongraegu 2-0 supernova | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:03 red4ce wrote: I wish GSL would be like the MSL and reseed after the group stages so that top players are placed on opposite sides of the bracket. MMA basically has a free ride to the finals while 4 of the top 5 players by Elo have to battle it out on the other side of the bracket. Im not to familiar with the MSL's format but I dont think theres enough legit SC2 action for ElO to be considered a hugely determining factor ? I could be wrong this is a question. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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