EPT[GSL] Oct Code S RO16 Day 2 - Page 5
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
The top 3 players in the world right now are 1. MVP 2. Nestea 3. DRG....but I could also make a case for Bomber being 3rd instead of DRG as well. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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coolyou
United States958 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:09 Canucklehead wrote: I like both mvp and bomber so don't know who I want to win. Hope to see the ZvT bonjwa, DRG make it through though! Glad to see Artosis acknowledge that DRG is ahead of losira now, which I've been saying for a while now. DRG destroyed happy in gstl, and then happy destroyed losira yesterday. just to play devils advocate here, MKP absolutely demolishing DRG in the AOL doesnt factor into this? hes the best ZvT sure and Code S is nothing but terrans, the only tournament hes actually won though is just Dream hack Valencia. (and that to in a close run against Thorzain.) Heck he went MMA style onto Code S to. He didnt even make it through. Dont get me wrong I really like him but he has alottttt to prove still. Hes not even silver king yet. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
Hoping for MVP, Leenock, Nestea, and DRG!!! | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:07 Rebs wrote: Im not to familiar with the MSL's format but I dont think theres enough legit SC2 action for ElO to be considered a hugely determining factor ? I could be wrong this is a question. I only mentioned Elo to emphasize how good the guys playing today are. The reseeding doesn't have to be based on Elo. In fact since the GSTL is so limited in scope it would be a bit pointless to use it. I'm pretty sure the Elo TL uses is not official anyways. Reseeding can be done based on GSL points or results from the previous code S. Either way It's still better than brackets being determined by the group selection ceremony and Bo1's. Just a minor correction on my original post, the MSL reseeds in the Ro8 which is 2 rounds after the group stages. Usually this doesn't make much of a difference but there are unfortunate cases like the pdpop MSL where Stork and Bisu played each other in the Ro16. On October 05 2011 15:13 Rebs wrote: just to play devils advocate here, MKP absolutely demolishing DRG in the AOL doesnt factor into this? hes the best ZvT sure and Code S is nothing but terrans, the only tournament hes actually won though is just Dream hack Valencia. (and that to in a close run against Thorzain.) Heck he went MMA style onto Code S to. He didnt even make it through. Dont get me wrong I really like him but he has alottttt to prove still. Hes not even silver king yet. DRG also won the LG Cinema 3D tournament. If you look at the people he beat it's actually more impressive than his DH win. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:13 Rebs wrote: just to play devils advocate here, MKP absolutely demolishing DRG in the AOL doesnt factor into this? hes the best ZvT sure and Code S is nothing but terrans, the only tournament hes actually won though is just Dream hack Valencia. (and that to in a close run against Thorzain.) Not really because MKP is a beast at TvZ. Plus mkp always plays better online and always loses to DRG in gstl. Plus DRG also beat MVP in AOL too. It was shocking to see no doubt, because DRG hates roaches in TvZ, so we'll see if that heavy hellion play will end up being his weakness. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:17 red4ce wrote: DRG also won the LG Cinema 3D tournament. If you look at the people he beat it's actually more impressive than his DH win. he beat taeja yonghwa JYP and SC. Who are good now. But were up and comers than and thats really just served to justify him as the best of the new lot. That tournament was hardly stacked in the normal sense anyway ofcourse I frankly think most of the top 60 odd koreans outside the top 5-6 are absurdly even. It was pretty under the radar and for a reason. | ||
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Sareth
Germany1008 Posts
-MVP -Bomber -Happy -Nestea -DRG without any order. I really think each one of them would be able to win the GSL, i am so excited  And seriously guys, dont underestimate Happy. That guy is a beast.  | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:00 usethis2 wrote: All terrans except MVP/Bomber are undeserving code S, IMO. (From today's groups) So. Ganzi won Code A, Virus has never been in an Up/Down since being in Code S, and Supernova recently proved he's stronger than Code A by crushing through Up/Down... ...and they don't deserve to be in Code S? Do, pray tell, give me a list of 32 players that do deserve to be in Code S. And make sure you leave out everyone Ganzi, Virus and Supernova beat this season too, since if they don't deserve to be in Code S, heck, the people who lost to them must be Code B. [/sarcasm] But yeah, honestly I'd like to see your 32 man Code S tournament without last season's Code A winner. Please, do tell. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:17 Canucklehead wrote: Not really because MKP is a beast at TvZ. Plus mkp always plays better online and always loses to DRG in gstl. It was shocking to see no doubt, because DRG hates roaches in TvZ, so we'll see if that heavy hellion play will end up being his weakness. Thats the problem though. DRG is so heavily dependant on his muta play (which is fine) but if you can find ways to shut it down. Which the really good terrans do then he has a problem. One of those ways is forcing him to roach which he absolutely refused to do against MKP because he obviously didnt feel comfortable doing. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:29 Rebs wrote: Thats the problem though. DRG is so heavily dependant on his muta play (which is fine) but if you can find ways to shut it down. Which the really good terrans do then he has a problem. One of those ways is forcing him to roach which he absolutely refused to do against MKP because he obviously didnt feel comfortable doing. Forcing roach usually makes a lot of zergs lose though because roaches suck against tanks. Pre-patch during the heavy blue flame early attacks it forced zergs to go roach, which suck against tanks. This meant that they just died later to terran after their follow up marine/tank push. A good example was when mma beat nestea last gsl. Forcing roaches cuts down on a zerg's muta count and delays it, which they need to defend drops. That was one of the main reasons pointed to as why blue flame was op pre patch. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:37 Canucklehead wrote: Forcing roach usually makes a lot of zergs lose though because roaches suck against tanks. Pre-patch during the heavy blue flame early attacks it forced zergs to go roach, which suck against tanks. This meant that they just died later to terran after their follow up marine/tank push. A good example was when mma beat nestea last gsl. Forcing roaches cuts down on a zerg's muta count and delays it, which they need to defend drops. That was one of the main reasons pointed to as why blue flame was op pre patch. Well its a balancing act isnt it. I know they lose because of that but its better to have them and give yourself a chance then to lose to 2 factory hellion over and over again in the same series. Additionally its not like the tanks just appear after youve made just enough roaches to stop the aggression. You could pressure and expand. Or just cut some corners with the roaches, hellions of 2 facts is a decent investment. it has to do damage and kill. Even the mitigated damage wont put yo to far ahead. You still have time to make adjustments. Its just that he gets greedy and wants lots of mutas really fast. Its not the idea situation ofcourse but Zergs have been looking so dominant with mass muta play that its not unfair to have them make adjustments to get there. | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
Bomber (if he doesn't get ahead of himself) Nestea Ganzi DRG | ||
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
I can not wait for Nestea to start playing, I'm kinda a fanboy.. :o | ||
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
On October 05 2011 15:13 Rebs wrote: just to play devils advocate here, MKP absolutely demolishing DRG in the AOL doesnt factor into this? hes the best ZvT sure and Code S is nothing but terrans, the only tournament hes actually won though is just Dream hack Valencia. (and that to in a close run against Thorzain.) Heck he went MMA style onto Code S to. He didnt even make it through. Dont get me wrong I really like him but he has alottttt to prove still. Hes not even silver king yet. I would question if DRG went all out in that match. The AoL match comes secondary to his GSL match I would imagine, I could absolutely see DRG saving a build or two since he had to play ZvT only 3 or 4 days later. Not to mention nobody can win all the time. I still consider DRG to have the best ZvT of any zerg. | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
Bomber's losses cannot make sense. This is a theory I have going. Losing to MVP would be explainable, even expected. He's probably the top player in the world right now, and he just won a GSL. But Bomber can't lose when it makes sense in Code S tournaments. July Bomber 2-0s the Super Tournament Champion, then manages to dominate Byun 2 games in a row then choke harder than a guy with a foot down his throat. August he then loses to Keen, who he had I think a 90% Toto against. The guy shows again and again that he's like a master swordfighter that can go toe-to-toe with the best, then somehow manages to cut off his own foot fighting a 12 year old. So Bomber will win. Because his loss has to be stupid. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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