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Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
September 26 2011 19:43 GMT
#101
ohh kespa. bitter poops till the day they die, which will be soon.
bring back weapon of choice for hots!
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
September 26 2011 19:43 GMT
#102
On September 27 2011 01:38 GTR wrote:
how ironic that a starcraft tournament in korea will be won by a non-korean.


Select might take it :p
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
September 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#103
So, will this be the first ever korean tournament won by a foreigner?
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#104
On September 27 2011 04:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 04:34 Gamegene wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:30 Datum wrote:
Wow, I really don't get the anger coming from this article. From the point of view of the people running the tournament, of course I'd be angry. But from KeSPA's point of view: why spend money on supporting SC2 for the sake of a small tournament that isn't going to attract many viewers anyway?

Go ahead and disagree with KeSPA. That's fine. But the anger coming through in this article is unnecessary and counterproductive.

How much extra money does it take to support the game by offering invites to players locally? Nothing. It's KeSPA blocking SC2 in Korea because it fears Brood War is starting to fade. SC2 is going to be in the tournament regardless, KeSPA is just blocking Korean players from playing in the tournament. It's completely silly, that's where the anger is coming from.


That or it knows SC2 is just a small niche market in Korea and BW is doing just fine, cause it is.
Fabulous even.

I didn't say they were well founded fears at all, I for one know Brood War is still going strong in Korea, much more so than SC2. However, with OGN branching out and broadcasting the WCG Korea stuff, you would think KeSPA would be just as accommodating if they wanted the scene to grow at all. What do they gain by preventing Korean players from competing in a tournament that is already going to host SC2 whether Koreans play or not?


The simple answer is that they can't send any players. SC2 isn't in their jurisdiction. Yes, it sucks that there isn't going to be any GSL players competing, but it's not their job to associate themselves with SC2.

Whether they spite SC2 with all their hate or love it to death, it's not their place.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 26 2011 19:47 GMT
#105
how is it even possible that an organisation that has absolutly nothing to do with SC2 is in charge when it comes to chosing a SC2 player. It is understandable that Kespa trys to sabotage it, but why were they given the position to do so. This is clearly IeSFs fault.
keep it deep! @zulison
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 26 2011 19:47 GMT
#106
Wow KESPA, way to act like your getting gilted by a lover then decide to dress up like their new special someone and slut around. lol
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
September 26 2011 19:48 GMT
#107
On September 27 2011 04:46 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 04:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:34 Gamegene wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:30 Datum wrote:
Wow, I really don't get the anger coming from this article. From the point of view of the people running the tournament, of course I'd be angry. But from KeSPA's point of view: why spend money on supporting SC2 for the sake of a small tournament that isn't going to attract many viewers anyway?

Go ahead and disagree with KeSPA. That's fine. But the anger coming through in this article is unnecessary and counterproductive.

How much extra money does it take to support the game by offering invites to players locally? Nothing. It's KeSPA blocking SC2 in Korea because it fears Brood War is starting to fade. SC2 is going to be in the tournament regardless, KeSPA is just blocking Korean players from playing in the tournament. It's completely silly, that's where the anger is coming from.


That or it knows SC2 is just a small niche market in Korea and BW is doing just fine, cause it is.
Fabulous even.

I didn't say they were well founded fears at all, I for one know Brood War is still going strong in Korea, much more so than SC2. However, with OGN branching out and broadcasting the WCG Korea stuff, you would think KeSPA would be just as accommodating if they wanted the scene to grow at all. What do they gain by preventing Korean players from competing in a tournament that is already going to host SC2 whether Koreans play or not?


The simple answer is that they can't send any players. SC2 isn't in their jurisdiction. Yes, it sucks that there isn't going to be any GSL players competing, but it's not their job to associate themselves with SC2.

Whether they spite SC2 with all their hate or love it to death, it's not their place.

All they had to do was suggest it to GOM, they'd be more than welcome to choose a player based on GSL points or hold some sort of quick qualifier. Instead they literally prevent it from happening. It's not their place yet they're standing in the way? hmm.
Taengoo ♥
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
September 26 2011 19:50 GMT
#108
So they asked an organization that isn't involved in SC2 to pick the SC2 players... lolwhat?
or is it that they weren't allowed to ask anyone else but kespa?
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 19:53:43
September 26 2011 19:52 GMT
#109
So did Kespa agree to the responsibility and then just trolled the IeSF and SC2 community or were they miraculously forced into this position?

It's like they took someone else's ball and went home with it.

I mean, either Kespa signed and agreement to pick the players and IeSF is now bound to that or they could just ask someone else, no?
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 26 2011 19:52 GMT
#110
On September 27 2011 04:48 xBillehx wrote:
All they had to do was suggest it to GOM, they'd be more than welcome to choose a player based on GSL points or hold some sort of quick qualifier. Instead they literally prevent it from happening. It's not their place yet they're standing in the way? hmm.


They're not required to go to any lengths for SC2.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
September 26 2011 19:53 GMT
#111
On September 27 2011 04:50 LittleAtari wrote:
So they asked an organization that isn't involved in SC2 to pick the SC2 players... lolwhat?
or is it that they weren't allowed to ask anyone else but kespa?



I was curios about this also. Seems odd to ask Kespa when they (apparently) want nothing to do with SC2.
Nihn'kas Neehn
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 19:55:38
September 26 2011 19:54 GMT
#112
korean e-sport players association - the name says everything, or it's not?

there aren't players that plays SC2 under KeSPA and IeSF done great job. Look it from their side. They will be in good relations with KeSPA and they will promote SC2 even further. I mean, what are the chances foreigner wins tournament in Korea if Koreans are playing? There will be a chance for Koreans at WCG that is held in Korea so this is ment to be something different. And there are two different games, that are under KeSPA and that are played by many gamers around the world (SC2 is not the only popular game). Two games beats one game. And in those games chances are more even for everybody.

And just to mention one thing, IeSF is ment to be like FIBA or FIFA, it recognizes associations and GOM is not an association of that kind so KeSPA was only choice in Korea.

I mean, look it from neutral side, KeSPA had nothing to do with it, they can't invite players that aren't under them and IeSF didn't wanted to do it - with reasons above.
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
September 26 2011 19:56 GMT
#113
insta boycott
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 19:58:46
September 26 2011 19:56 GMT
#114
Sucks that this tournanment is going to suffer because of the vindictive flailings of a failing group.

On the bright side we're going to outlive the bastards Kespea so they can't keep trying to spread their monopoly for ever.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
September 26 2011 19:56 GMT
#115
On September 27 2011 04:52 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 04:48 xBillehx wrote:
All they had to do was suggest it to GOM, they'd be more than welcome to choose a player based on GSL points or hold some sort of quick qualifier. Instead they literally prevent it from happening. It's not their place yet they're standing in the way? hmm.


They're not required to go to any lengths for SC2.

They don't have to. Again, a SC2 tournament is happening at IeSF regardless, but they're preventing any Korean from participating by not at least letting IeSF management go ask GOM? They're putting more effort into stopping it than they would have to by just letting it go. They're not required to go to any lengths to benefit SC2, but stopping Korean participation is just up their alley?
Taengoo ♥
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 26 2011 19:56 GMT
#116
Is KeSPA the esports organization or is it the BW organization. Shouldn't it recognize all esports in Korea? Answer: of course, but legally we're afraid.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 26 2011 19:57 GMT
#117
On September 27 2011 04:34 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 04:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On September 27 2011 04:30 Datum wrote:
Wow, I really don't get the anger coming from this article. From the point of view of the people running the tournament, of course I'd be angry. But from KeSPA's point of view: why spend money on supporting SC2 for the sake of a small tournament that isn't going to attract many viewers anyway?

Go ahead and disagree with KeSPA. That's fine. But the anger coming through in this article is unnecessary and counterproductive.

How much extra money does it take to support the game by offering invites to players locally? Nothing. It's KeSPA blocking SC2 in Korea because it fears Brood War is starting to fade. SC2 is going to be in the tournament regardless, KeSPA is just blocking Korean players from playing in the tournament. It's completely silly, that's where the anger is coming from.


That or it knows SC2 is just a small niche market in Korea and BW is doing just fine, cause it is.
Fabulous even.


I guess you haven't read the BW forums lately?
Teams are shutting down left and right.
Leagues are closing up shop.
TV stations will be ending their mainstream coverage soon.

BW is struggling to exist as an E-Sport. It's not thriving.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 20:04:08
September 26 2011 20:00 GMT
#118
On September 27 2011 04:57 Chargelot wrote:
I guess you haven't read the BW forums lately?
Teams are shutting down left and right.
Leagues are closing up shop.
TV stations will be ending their mainstream coverage soon.

BW is struggling to exist as an E-Sport. It's not thriving.


OSL Finals viewership numbers.

Honestly, BW is in no danger of disappearing. Despite the recent flow of bad news, she'll still be around for at least a couple more years. Let's not light the beacons of Gondor just yet.

On September 27 2011 04:56 xBillehx wrote:
They don't have to. Again, a SC2 tournament is happening at IeSF regardless, but they're preventing any Korean from participating by not at least letting IeSF management go ask GOM? They're putting more effort into stopping it than they would have to by just letting it go. They're not required to go to any lengths to benefit SC2, but stopping Korean participation is just up their alley?


I think the above poster nailed it:

On September 27 2011 04:54 purgerinho wrote:
And just to mention one thing, IeSF is ment to be like FIBA or FIFA, it recognizes associations and GOM is not an association of that kind so KeSPA was (the) only choice in Korea.

I mean, look it from neutral side, KeSPA had nothing to do with it, they can't invite players that aren't under them and IeSF didn't wanted to do it - with reasons above.

Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
September 26 2011 20:00 GMT
#119
And one more thing: KeSPA could say NO to sc2 in this tournament but KeSPA want part in it one day so thay let it in this way. I mean, this story is great if you love this kind of situations. Legal, illegal, fighting for better position, trying to be good with everybody, etc.

KeSPA is as good or bad as Blizzard. But I would say that Blizzard is bad guy of this story. I mean, they will never give us a LAN option what saying everything about their plans (monopoly).
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
September 26 2011 20:01 GMT
#120
Goody fighting.
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