EPT[IeSF] No Korean SC2 player allowed in IeSF 2011 - Page 21
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote: GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2 KeSPA had no reason so far 2 go into international market? BW was pretty much dead outside of korea so whats the point? pretty sure in SC2 this would look different if Blizzard wouldnt fuck up. And for GOM its their only hope since SC2 fails in korea. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote: GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2 in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war? | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 28 2011 04:33 KoichiroDK wrote: HOLD THE PRESS FOR ONE SECOND... ...and get the facts straight to why this has happened. The IeSF stands for "International eSport Association" an is the eSport equaliant to FIFA. Yes the IeSF is not famous like WCG or MLG etc, but it takes time to build a world association with hundreds of national federations, that works as one big democracy. The members of IeSF are national federations like eSport Danmark (Denmark), SESF (Sweden), SVÖE (austria), Mindsports South Africa etc. There are 25 members AFAIK. The IeSF 2011 World Championship is the worldcup for its member countries. Through member democracy 3 games has been choosen as official games: FIFA, AVA and SCII. For the IeSF 2011 World Championship each country will be represented by one player in FIFA and SCII, while AVA teams were found in a qualification. ex. Germany and Holland came one and two in the Euro Qualification. So why is KeSPA involved with IeSF? KeSPA is the korean eSport federation and they took the initiative to start IeSF back in 2007. Thus KeSPA is the korean member in IeSF. Just like BESF is the belgium member and so on. It is up to each member nation whether or not they want to compete in the competitions held at the IeSF 2011 World Championships. This also happened in 2010 where some contries decided not to compete in WCIII. In this case - KeSPA - as the Korean member of IeSF - has decided not to compete in SCII for reason know perhaps only to KeSPA, but yes - it is probably because they wont regonize SCII due to their dispute with Blizzard, but that is a whole other discussion we shouldnt get into here. So there you have it. That is the fact to why no korean players can participate in IeSF 2011 World Championship. Cheers KoichiroDK Very informative post, thanks a lot. I had no idea how IeSF worked. Basically other countries than Korea picked SC2. Korean members of IeSF is Kespa and Kespa doesn't have a SC2 branch, so they don't send players. It makes sense. True world championship will be WCG. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On September 28 2011 19:58 endy wrote: Very informative post, thanks a lot. I had no idea how IeSF worked. Basically other countries than Korea picked SC2. Korean members of IeSF is Kespa and Kespa doesn't have a SC2 branch, so they don't send players. It makes sense. True world championship will be WCG. Actually, neither ESWC nor IeSF nor WCG are that high level. But WCG is the closest, or at least was until they removed BW. Yeah, BW competition was never that fierce, but having Flash-Kal-Jaedong as 1-2-3 is better than having 3 random koreans (them all being Terran most probably, they have been doing well in WCG Korea) as 1-2-3. On September 27 2011 01:14 SafeAsCheese wrote: It wouldn't be a serious tourney anyway http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2011_World_Championship#Qualified_Players only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns" Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg. | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:11 Djagulingu wrote: Actually, neither ESWC nor IeSF nor WCG are that high level. But WCG is the closest, or at least was until they removed BW. Yeah, BW competition was never that fierce, but having Flash-Kal-Jaedong as 1-2-3 is better than having 3 random koreans (them all being Terran most probably, they have been doing well in WCG Korea) as 1-2-3. Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg. The only reason Ball qualified for the IeSF because Sen is not allowed to participate which is pretty stupid. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 27 2011 01:14 SafeAsCheese wrote: It wouldn't be a serious tourney anyway http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2011_World_Championship#Qualified_Players only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns" That's not really fair. Would you call the Olympics "not a serious tourney" just because some of the participants can't perform even close to the best in their sports? I'm not saying it's a serious tournament or not but rather you have to use a different measuring stick when it comes to global tournaments. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
On September 28 2011 19:12 OopsOopsBaby wrote: in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war? How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you? | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:11 Djagulingu wrote: Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg. Not sure if you have ever seen bigs play, but this guy is actually pretty solid and beat very good players in the past. He was a decent warcraft 3 player as well... | ||
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MostGroce
United States104 Posts
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Pufftrees
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On September 28 2011 21:25 Niick wrote: How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you? What are you trying to talk about here? You realize restreams from OGN at least (and likely MBC too) are accepted? The Chinese casted stream was officially allowed and they are well aware of the restreaming and are fine with it. The Korean streams are just more popular than any English restream... unless it was maybe Sayle i wouldn't watch any English stream myself, the original is better atmosphere. But keep up the dumb KeSPA hate; meanwhile they secured new sponsors for BW and everything should be stable and fine. While over in SC2 they need to have a forced Code A/S format for the GSL to try and help consistency and keep players in and earning money when there's a lack of salaries. Great situation, thanks Blizz for shackling SC2 down to Gretech instead of letting KeSPA take it and immediately increase exposure and popularity. KeSPA is an easy target for people when Blizzard is creating the entire situation in the first place. What kind of plan for expansion of eSports, locks out the governing body of it in the biggest eSports country around? Instead of simply leaving things alone and letting KeSPA give SC2 massive free publicity, TV exposure, sponsors willing to put more money in and fund bigger projects; they gave to Gretech so they can maintain control. Blizzard isn't an eSports company they are a game developer, why should they even be directly involved, isn't it a conflict of interest? Their goal is to sell games not be running a professional sports organization and leagues. Their level of involvement isn't clear but it's damn obvious the contract with Gretech gives Blizzard control over everything if they wish to intervene. But that's at the loss of everyone else isn't it, and what potentially the scene could have been already. Just think a bit deeper who your anger should be directed at. Not at KeSPA for not getting involved with a game that they are deliberately being shut out of, and even having their main leagues attempted to be shut down just to try and force the sequel on people. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
On September 28 2011 22:17 infinity2k9 wrote: What are you trying to talk about here? You realize restreams from OGN at least (and likely MBC too) are accepted? The Chinese casted stream was officially allowed and they are well aware of the restreaming and are fine with it. The Korean streams are just more popular than any English restream... unless it was maybe Sayle i wouldn't watch any English stream myself, the original is better atmosphere. But keep up the dumb KeSPA hate; meanwhile they secured new sponsors for BW and everything should be stable and fine. While over in SC2 they need to have a forced Code A/S format for the GSL to try and help consistency and keep players in and earning money when there's a lack of salaries. Great situation, thanks Blizz for shackling SC2 down to Gretech instead of letting KeSPA take it and immediately increase exposure and popularity. Mate I quoted a reply that said kespa had never hindered korean-foreign relations in a direct reply about international market and viewers. I couldn't care less what companies are doing what. SC2 has english commentary, BW does not, there for in simple terms the international market and viewers are treated better in regards to SC2 | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On September 28 2011 22:22 Niick wrote: Mate I quoted a reply that said kespa had never hindered korean-foreign relations in a direct reply about international market and viewers. I couldn't care less what companies are doing what. SC2 has english commentary, BW does not, there for in simple terms the international market and viewers are treated better in regards to SC2 Still no english commentary is hardly and example of "hindering" so your way off base anyway. Streams VODs it's all free... | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On September 28 2011 22:47 ineq wrote: kespa doesnt hate sc2 at all..... Nope. If anything, Blizzard was dumb for not bringing Kespa into the fold, especially after the BW copyright problem was resolved. | ||
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taldarimAltar
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
why should they work for sc2? when blizzard clearly doesnt want them doing so | ||
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