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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
September 28 2011 08:41 GMT
#401
I don't understand why people are hating on Kespa. They don't control SC2 and it's the only game in Korea where the players don't have an official Kespa progaming license. They aren't obligated to do shit.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 28 2011 08:54 GMT
#402
i dont get the kespa hate in this particular case either... they are not connected to sc2 in any way and they are korean representative for this tournament. So what they will send their bw players to play sc2?
Stork[gm]
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 09:56:27
September 28 2011 09:55 GMT
#403
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

KeSPA had no reason so far 2 go into international market? BW was pretty much dead outside of korea so whats the point? pretty sure in SC2 this would look different if Blizzard wouldnt fuck up.

And for GOM its their only hope since SC2 fails in korea.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
September 28 2011 10:12 GMT
#404
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war?
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 28 2011 10:58 GMT
#405
On September 28 2011 04:33 KoichiroDK wrote:
HOLD THE PRESS FOR ONE SECOND...

...and get the facts straight to why this has happened.

The IeSF stands for "International eSport Association" an is the eSport equaliant to FIFA. Yes the IeSF is not famous like WCG or MLG etc, but it takes time to build a world association with hundreds of national federations, that works as one big democracy.

The members of IeSF are national federations like eSport Danmark (Denmark), SESF (Sweden), SVÖE (austria), Mindsports South Africa etc. There are 25 members AFAIK.

The IeSF 2011 World Championship is the worldcup for its member countries. Through member democracy 3 games has been choosen as official games: FIFA, AVA and SCII. For the IeSF 2011 World Championship each country will be represented by one player in FIFA and SCII, while AVA teams were found in a qualification. ex. Germany and Holland came one and two in the Euro Qualification.

So why is KeSPA involved with IeSF?

KeSPA is the korean eSport federation and they took the initiative to start IeSF back in 2007. Thus KeSPA is the korean member in IeSF. Just like BESF is the belgium member and so on.

It is up to each member nation whether or not they want to compete in the competitions held at the IeSF 2011 World Championships. This also happened in 2010 where some contries decided not to compete in WCIII.
In this case - KeSPA - as the Korean member of IeSF - has decided not to compete in SCII for reason know perhaps only to KeSPA, but yes - it is probably because they wont regonize SCII due to their dispute with Blizzard, but that is a whole other discussion we shouldnt get into here.

So there you have it. That is the fact to why no korean players can participate in IeSF 2011 World Championship.

Cheers
KoichiroDK


Very informative post, thanks a lot. I had no idea how IeSF worked. Basically other countries than Korea picked SC2. Korean members of IeSF is Kespa and Kespa doesn't have a SC2 branch, so they don't send players. It makes sense.

True world championship will be WCG.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#406
On September 28 2011 19:58 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 04:33 KoichiroDK wrote:
HOLD THE PRESS FOR ONE SECOND...

...and get the facts straight to why this has happened.

The IeSF stands for "International eSport Association" an is the eSport equaliant to FIFA. Yes the IeSF is not famous like WCG or MLG etc, but it takes time to build a world association with hundreds of national federations, that works as one big democracy.

The members of IeSF are national federations like eSport Danmark (Denmark), SESF (Sweden), SVÖE (austria), Mindsports South Africa etc. There are 25 members AFAIK.

The IeSF 2011 World Championship is the worldcup for its member countries. Through member democracy 3 games has been choosen as official games: FIFA, AVA and SCII. For the IeSF 2011 World Championship each country will be represented by one player in FIFA and SCII, while AVA teams were found in a qualification. ex. Germany and Holland came one and two in the Euro Qualification.

So why is KeSPA involved with IeSF?

KeSPA is the korean eSport federation and they took the initiative to start IeSF back in 2007. Thus KeSPA is the korean member in IeSF. Just like BESF is the belgium member and so on.

It is up to each member nation whether or not they want to compete in the competitions held at the IeSF 2011 World Championships. This also happened in 2010 where some contries decided not to compete in WCIII.
In this case - KeSPA - as the Korean member of IeSF - has decided not to compete in SCII for reason know perhaps only to KeSPA, but yes - it is probably because they wont regonize SCII due to their dispute with Blizzard, but that is a whole other discussion we shouldnt get into here.

So there you have it. That is the fact to why no korean players can participate in IeSF 2011 World Championship.

Cheers
KoichiroDK


Very informative post, thanks a lot. I had no idea how IeSF worked. Basically other countries than Korea picked SC2. Korean members of IeSF is Kespa and Kespa doesn't have a SC2 branch, so they don't send players. It makes sense.

True world championship will be WCG.

Actually, neither ESWC nor IeSF nor WCG are that high level. But WCG is the closest, or at least was until they removed BW. Yeah, BW competition was never that fierce, but having Flash-Kal-Jaedong as 1-2-3 is better than having 3 random koreans (them all being Terran most probably, they have been doing well in WCG Korea) as 1-2-3.

On September 27 2011 01:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It wouldn't be a serious tourney anyway

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2011_World_Championship#Qualified_Players

only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns"

Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg.
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lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
September 28 2011 11:22 GMT
#407
On September 28 2011 20:11 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 19:58 endy wrote:
On September 28 2011 04:33 KoichiroDK wrote:
HOLD THE PRESS FOR ONE SECOND...

...and get the facts straight to why this has happened.

The IeSF stands for "International eSport Association" an is the eSport equaliant to FIFA. Yes the IeSF is not famous like WCG or MLG etc, but it takes time to build a world association with hundreds of national federations, that works as one big democracy.

The members of IeSF are national federations like eSport Danmark (Denmark), SESF (Sweden), SVÖE (austria), Mindsports South Africa etc. There are 25 members AFAIK.

The IeSF 2011 World Championship is the worldcup for its member countries. Through member democracy 3 games has been choosen as official games: FIFA, AVA and SCII. For the IeSF 2011 World Championship each country will be represented by one player in FIFA and SCII, while AVA teams were found in a qualification. ex. Germany and Holland came one and two in the Euro Qualification.

So why is KeSPA involved with IeSF?

KeSPA is the korean eSport federation and they took the initiative to start IeSF back in 2007. Thus KeSPA is the korean member in IeSF. Just like BESF is the belgium member and so on.

It is up to each member nation whether or not they want to compete in the competitions held at the IeSF 2011 World Championships. This also happened in 2010 where some contries decided not to compete in WCIII.
In this case - KeSPA - as the Korean member of IeSF - has decided not to compete in SCII for reason know perhaps only to KeSPA, but yes - it is probably because they wont regonize SCII due to their dispute with Blizzard, but that is a whole other discussion we shouldnt get into here.

So there you have it. That is the fact to why no korean players can participate in IeSF 2011 World Championship.

Cheers
KoichiroDK


Very informative post, thanks a lot. I had no idea how IeSF worked. Basically other countries than Korea picked SC2. Korean members of IeSF is Kespa and Kespa doesn't have a SC2 branch, so they don't send players. It makes sense.

True world championship will be WCG.

Actually, neither ESWC nor IeSF nor WCG are that high level. But WCG is the closest, or at least was until they removed BW. Yeah, BW competition was never that fierce, but having Flash-Kal-Jaedong as 1-2-3 is better than having 3 random koreans (them all being Terran most probably, they have been doing well in WCG Korea) as 1-2-3.

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 01:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It wouldn't be a serious tourney anyway

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2011_World_Championship#Qualified_Players

only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns"

Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg.

The only reason Ball qualified for the IeSF because Sen is not allowed to participate which is pretty stupid.
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 28 2011 11:24 GMT
#408
On September 27 2011 01:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
It wouldn't be a serious tourney anyway

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2011_World_Championship#Qualified_Players

only 1/2 the players on the list are even "knowns"


That's not really fair. Would you call the Olympics "not a serious tourney" just because some of the participants can't perform even close to the best in their sports? I'm not saying it's a serious tournament or not but rather you have to use a different measuring stick when it comes to global tournaments.
Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
September 28 2011 12:25 GMT
#409
On September 28 2011 19:12 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war?


How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you?
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 28 2011 12:30 GMT
#410
On September 28 2011 20:11 Djagulingu wrote:

Exactly. Ball and biGs are in the scale of CombatEX and RapDawg.


Not sure if you have ever seen bigs play, but this guy is actually pretty solid and beat very good players in the past. He was a decent warcraft 3 player as well...
xlord 5:0
MostGroce
Profile Joined April 2011
United States104 Posts
September 28 2011 12:47 GMT
#411
If they don't want a good tournament, let them be dumb.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
September 28 2011 13:00 GMT
#412
This is like the WNBA.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 13:31:35
September 28 2011 13:17 GMT
#413
On September 28 2011 21:25 Niick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 19:12 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war?


How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you?


What are you trying to talk about here? You realize restreams from OGN at least (and likely MBC too) are accepted? The Chinese casted stream was officially allowed and they are well aware of the restreaming and are fine with it. The Korean streams are just more popular than any English restream... unless it was maybe Sayle i wouldn't watch any English stream myself, the original is better atmosphere.

But keep up the dumb KeSPA hate; meanwhile they secured new sponsors for BW and everything should be stable and fine. While over in SC2 they need to have a forced Code A/S format for the GSL to try and help consistency and keep players in and earning money when there's a lack of salaries. Great situation, thanks Blizz for shackling SC2 down to Gretech instead of letting KeSPA take it and immediately increase exposure and popularity.

KeSPA is an easy target for people when Blizzard is creating the entire situation in the first place. What kind of plan for expansion of eSports, locks out the governing body of it in the biggest eSports country around? Instead of simply leaving things alone and letting KeSPA give SC2 massive free publicity, TV exposure, sponsors willing to put more money in and fund bigger projects; they gave to Gretech so they can maintain control. Blizzard isn't an eSports company they are a game developer, why should they even be directly involved, isn't it a conflict of interest? Their goal is to sell games not be running a professional sports organization and leagues. Their level of involvement isn't clear but it's damn obvious the contract with Gretech gives Blizzard control over everything if they wish to intervene.

But that's at the loss of everyone else isn't it, and what potentially the scene could have been already. Just think a bit deeper who your anger should be directed at. Not at KeSPA for not getting involved with a game that they are deliberately being shut out of, and even having their main leagues attempted to be shut down just to try and force the sequel on people.
Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
September 28 2011 13:22 GMT
#414
On September 28 2011 22:17 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 21:25 Niick wrote:
On September 28 2011 19:12 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war?


How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you?


What are you trying to talk about here? You realize restreams from OGN at least (and likely MBC too) are accepted? The Chinese casted stream was officially allowed and they are well aware of the restreaming and are fine with it. The Korean streams are just more popular than any English restream... unless it was maybe Sayle i wouldn't watch any English stream myself, the original is better atmosphere.

But keep up the dumb KeSPA hate; meanwhile they secured new sponsors for BW and everything should be stable and fine. While over in SC2 they need to have a forced Code A/S format for the GSL to try and help consistency and keep players in and earning money when there's a lack of salaries. Great situation, thanks Blizz for shackling SC2 down to Gretech instead of letting KeSPA take it and immediately increase exposure and popularity.


Mate I quoted a reply that said kespa had never hindered korean-foreign relations in a direct reply about international market and viewers.

I couldn't care less what companies are doing what.

SC2 has english commentary, BW does not, there for in simple terms the international market and viewers are treated better in regards to SC2
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 13:36:04
September 28 2011 13:33 GMT
#415
Ok well if that was your only point, then there is English commentary sometimes and nobody hardly watches it. So i hardly think it's likely for MBC/OGN to do anything official, and it's nothing to do with KeSPA anyway. I don't expect us to be treated like anything when it's a total niche. Allowing restreaming for us is good enough.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 13:36:27
September 28 2011 13:34 GMT
#416
On September 28 2011 22:22 Niick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 22:17 infinity2k9 wrote:
On September 28 2011 21:25 Niick wrote:
On September 28 2011 19:12 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:39 ptbl wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote:
Update

DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2


Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world.

If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL .


GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2

in what way has kespa ever hindered korean-foreign interaction for brood war?


How are those english commentated MSL streams going for you?


What are you trying to talk about here? You realize restreams from OGN at least (and likely MBC too) are accepted? The Chinese casted stream was officially allowed and they are well aware of the restreaming and are fine with it. The Korean streams are just more popular than any English restream... unless it was maybe Sayle i wouldn't watch any English stream myself, the original is better atmosphere.

But keep up the dumb KeSPA hate; meanwhile they secured new sponsors for BW and everything should be stable and fine. While over in SC2 they need to have a forced Code A/S format for the GSL to try and help consistency and keep players in and earning money when there's a lack of salaries. Great situation, thanks Blizz for shackling SC2 down to Gretech instead of letting KeSPA take it and immediately increase exposure and popularity.


Mate I quoted a reply that said kespa had never hindered korean-foreign relations in a direct reply about international market and viewers.

I couldn't care less what companies are doing what.

SC2 has english commentary, BW does not, there for in simple terms the international market and viewers are treated better in regards to SC2

Still no english commentary is hardly and example of "hindering" so your way off base anyway.
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ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
September 28 2011 13:47 GMT
#417
kespa doesnt hate sc2 at all.....
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
September 28 2011 13:50 GMT
#418
On September 28 2011 22:47 ineq wrote:
kespa doesnt hate sc2 at all.....


Nope. If anything, Blizzard was dumb for not bringing Kespa into the fold, especially after the BW copyright problem was resolved.
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taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
September 28 2011 13:57 GMT
#419
Pretty stupid move by kespa, big sponsors paying for a tounament and shit like this happens, ruining esports. Maybe blessing in disguise though foreign player have a more global appeal
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
September 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#420
blind hate on kespa -.-
why should they work for sc2? when blizzard clearly doesnt want them doing so
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