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[IeSF] No Korean SC2 player allowed in IeSF 2011 - Page 19
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On September 27 2011 21:42 Vorenius wrote: Monchi's achievement is losing to Dimaga? Monchi beat Dimaga. | ||
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kraut
374 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:00 ShatterZer0 wrote: lol.... time for Sjow to tear the competition in half... is there ANYONE on the qualifier list that's a serious threat to him? I was looking forward to a Sjow idrA finals... but since idrA's going to be IPL'ing it up.... goody vs sjow stats are 14-16 elfi vs sjow 5-5 | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:07 kraut wrote: goody vs sjow stats are 14-16 elfi vs sjow 5-5 SjoW can lose to GoOdy , Elfi , Osho , Monchi or pretty much anyone else. | ||
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On September 27 2011 20:49 kamikami wrote: Related or not, it's still not their business lol. They are not supposed to "choose" SC2 players for tournament, Valve is not supposed to do starcraft stuffs, Blizzard is not supposed to do half-life stuffs. Common genre or not doesn't matter. KeSPA stands for Korean e-Sports Player Assosiation. They are supposed to take care of all esport games. But they wont accept sc2 as an esport. But counter-strike and fifa is according to them. I think its Kespas responsibilty for Korean gamers to also send sc2 players. Since it is their business. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2 | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
archonOOid said he lost. The match isn't on TLPD. :s In any case that hardly matters. Top level players take games off eachother all the time. That still doesn't mean anyone in the right mind would consider Monchi a serious contender for a major international LAN tournament if a big part of the worlds best players were going. | ||
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Jongl0
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On September 27 2011 21:59 Telcontar wrote: The point here is that they DO have the responsibility of choosing the Korean SC2 players. So how is just flat out not choosing anyone better than passing the duty off to someone who runs the only league in Korea? You guys are being too rigid with this 'it's not in Kespa's scope so they're perfectly entitled' argument. Whether it's technically within their rights or not is not the issue. It's the fact that they're completely refusing to deal with the existing korean SC2 scene when it's easy to do so. This is still completely wrong. They have NO responsibility to choose SC2 players. It's IeSF 's fault asking them to do so. This is exactly like asking Microsoft to make fast food. Their employees are not trained for SC2, the scope of their organisation doesn't cover SC2, they have 0 business in SC2. If you have a software company and some organisation asks you to sell cookies, you are supposed to obey them and waste your ressources finding a solution for them ? Just plain out say "no it's not our job" is the best course of action here. IeSF should have simply contacted an SC2 organisation instead of Kespa. This is totally IeSF's fault. Also, they cannot "pass rights" to GOMTV or whatever, it's IeSF's duty to choose the organisation which choose the players, Kespa don't have the right to do so. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On September 28 2011 00:59 Vorenius wrote: archonOOid said he lost. The match isn't on TLPD. :s In any case that hardly matters. Top level players take games off eachother all the time. That still doesn't mean anyone in the right mind would consider Monchi a serious contender for a major international LAN tournament if a big part of the worlds best players were going. This just shows that you dont know who Monchi is. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On September 28 2011 01:42 KinQuh wrote: This just shows that you dont know who Monchi is. That's the point. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote: Update DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2 really... here's what really happened behind all the media/press. lesf selected sc2 before asking the opinion of kespa. kespa says no, just cuz they can, and lesf has to rethink their titles. communication... now lets insinuate bitterness toward gretech by hinting agreement difficulties and threatening switching titles. but before saying dammit gretech, u gotta look back that if kespa is not supporting sc2, there is no reason to hold a sc2 tournament in korea if you don't have korean players. tricky business. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1334 Posts
On September 28 2011 01:55 Lokian wrote: really... here's what really happened behind all the media/press. lesf selected sc2 before asking the opinion of kespa. kespa says no, just cuz they can, and lesf has to rethink their titles. communication... now lets insinuate bitterness toward gretech by hinting agreement difficulties and threatening switching titles. but before saying dammit gretech, u gotta look back that if kespa is not supporting sc2, there is no reason to hold a sc2 tournament in korea if you don't have korean players. tricky business. I think you miss the entire point. Why would IESF ask for Kespa's opinion at all? Either before or after deciding on having sc2? While in name, kespa is an association for all esports players in Korea, they don't in actuality have any association with sc2 or it's players. None of the sc2 players hold a progaming license under kespa, sc2 is not a kespa sanctioned game, kespa doesn't sanction any of the sc2 competitions and they certainly have no jurisdiction in anything sc2 related. In short this had nothing to do with Kespa in the first place. It's not like Kespa can block sc2 players from going even if they wanted to, what are they going to do, strip them of progaming licenses they don't have if they go? They also can't make the chosen representatives go even should they randomly choose some, as they have no authority over those players. In this case what Kespa is doing is both within their right, and in the right. They have neither expertise nor jurisdiction in the subject, and the absence of decision stops nothing, since IESF could go ask someone else for the decision at any time, which they should have done in the first place. It's retarded to expect kespa to have to go to the effort of making a decision in a topic that is completely unrelated to them. There is no politics going on here, this is just IESF being retarded. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On September 28 2011 00:35 NHY wrote: Update DailyEsports is reporting that IeSF hasn't reached SC2 licencing agreement with Gretech yet. IeSF is considering switching SC2 from official title to exhibition title. Link 1 Link 2 Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world. If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL . | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On September 28 2011 02:34 thepuppyassassin wrote: Gretech should just take one for the team and give up their exclusive broadcasting rights. Seriously, they are inhibiting the growth of their own market. This doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. Why should GOM give up their exclusive rights? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:24 wassbix wrote: Trying to go around Kespa workin reaaaal well for Blizzard. Whatever the $ license fee they get from Gom; they could've gotten 10x more if they just worked with Kespa, and not completely flop in the biggest E-sport nation in the world. If Kespa is funding the IeSF they should just let Bw get play so we get something to watch between PL and till the next OSL . GOM is more friendly to the international market and viewers. If KESPA was in charge i doubt we have the type of korean-foreign interation we're having right now. Even WCG and OGN is ignoring KESPA and working with GOM when it comes to sc2 | ||
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
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TG_Lelouch
United States134 Posts
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