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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#561
July kills a good amount of probes with his first few mutas but nani with blink done kills all but 2 mutas.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#562
On September 25 2011 18:44 Azurues wrote:
only for ticket holders?

Yup, but ticket is only $5.
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#563
Why did July decide to fly over Nani's base rather than out over space? Terrible choice there against blink Stalkers.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#564
A 4gate is not necessarily an all-in. There are a couple of variations (probe-cut, gas timing, etc.), HongUn transitions easily out of this by denying terran expansion.

Also, i remember when TLO played random he often simply 4gated as protoss and won in the lategame. Gamesense ftw.
the game is the game
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#565
ok question for all you BW folks - isn't july supposed to have good muta control? : P
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#566
But now we hit the problem of this map : no 3rd for the protoss '
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#567
On September 25 2011 18:43 andis35 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:42 andaylin wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:41 andis35 wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:40 Logros wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:39 andis35 wrote:
all in is something when you go all in with everything not when you have 20 probes sitting home

20 probes vs a Terran on 2 bases is something you're not gonna come back from.


if you do no damage then yes, but as i said if you force a lift on orbital and maybe kill some scv's its pretty even

are you STILL trying to saw that 4 gate isn't an all in?


no LOL, are you listening? all in means u take everything you got ( hence the word all) and attack opponent with it


So if they leave one scv is tht not an allin?
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
September 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#568
On September 25 2011 18:45 PimpWilly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:43 Tsubbi wrote:
what is this 3 gateway pressure trying to do? bad strat


It's a catch 22, if you let zerg go without making units, they will get too strong an economy and be unstoppable before you can get a third. If you push out with sentries, you're 90% likely to lose them because you can't retreat from Zerg. So you push in and try to last as long as you can to prevent zerg from making drones. You're basically at a loss either way


ya, but this hits at 40 drones and doesn't prevent him from droning at all
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 25 2011 09:46 GMT
#569
Naniwa isn't doing too bad but July has a pretty big economy by now so he's just gonna get more and more ahead.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 25 2011 09:47 GMT
#570
On September 25 2011 18:45 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:43 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:42 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:40 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:39 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:37 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote:
July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight

0:00

July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.


2:00

July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.


5:00

Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.


7:00

Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.


9:00

July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.

However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.


11:00

Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.


13:00

The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.


16:30

July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.
Never make a hydralisk.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 25 2011 09:47 GMT
#571
Nani is playing amazing. But he needs somethings vs lings.
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
September 25 2011 09:47 GMT
#572
Naniwa's macro is falling apart
Never say die
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
September 25 2011 09:47 GMT
#573
nani seems to be going pure blink stalker
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
hi im new
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany150 Posts
September 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#574
wtf really bad micro from naniwa.. very uncharacteristic
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#575
On September 25 2011 18:45 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:45 PimpWilly wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:43 Tsubbi wrote:
what is this 3 gateway pressure trying to do? bad strat


It's a catch 22, if you let zerg go without making units, they will get too strong an economy and be unstoppable before you can get a third. If you push out with sentries, you're 90% likely to lose them because you can't retreat from Zerg. So you push in and try to last as long as you can to prevent zerg from making drones. You're basically at a loss either way


ya, but this hits at 40 drones and doesn't prevent him from droning at all

Remember 6 months ago when 3gate expo with pressure was standard and Protoss was winning? What was Zerg doing then?
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
September 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#576
naniwa spiking at 1,5k mins while overextending with stalkers, could've been way better situation now
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
September 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#577
On September 25 2011 18:45 blooblooblahblah wrote:
So if they leave one scv is tht not an allin?

Exactly!

In fact, if terran has an orbital, they can't go allin because of mules.
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
September 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#578
awesome stalker micro, but too much roach lings
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
Omar91
Profile Joined April 2010
Angola620 Posts
September 25 2011 09:49 GMT
#579
Stalker micro ^^ looks easier than marine micro
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 25 2011 09:49 GMT
#580
On September 25 2011 18:47 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:45 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:43 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:42 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:40 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:39 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:37 justinpal wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote:
July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight

0:00

July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.


2:00

July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.


5:00

Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.


7:00

Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.


9:00

July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.

However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.


11:00

Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.


13:00

The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.


16:30

July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.


19:00

July is making more and more roaches and is still 1 base up, Nani is up to +3 attack and is throwing up a robo bay and is taking a third base. July engages at Nani's natural. However, nice blink micro repels the roach force. July has not scouted the third yet. July is making 8 mutas and scouts the third.
Never make a hydralisk.
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