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On September 25 2011 17:06 JustPassingBy wrote: 3 OSL titles = 3 GSL titles? Dream on Doa... <.< 3 OSL titles = 12 GSL titles, since there are only 3 OSLs a year.
To be fair, there aren't 12 real GSLs per year, unless we count things like AoL or the Super Tournament as being the same.
He said it's basically the same thing, which is true ? He could have added that OSL is more prestigious because it happened less often but I don't see how it's wrong.
On September 25 2011 17:08 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: So apparently, the SQ stream requires subscription :/ Was looking forward to this. (well, that is what it says in my case)
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July has a 3rd now, but seems he didn't catched up on the recent zerg that creep their own main for drop defense. Mutas inc, Boxer still on 2 bases, but July loses some mutas flying sloppily over marines. Boxer hid a base cross pos from July, at 12 main.
+1 marine soon finished for boxer, July at 2-1 lings soon. Boxer starts a push. Lings catch a tank and 6-7 marines in the open. Big elevator play by Boxer is cleaned by July.
July starts a 4th at the 3o clock main. July catches a lot of marine while they clear the rocks of his 3rd nat, and clean the whole Boxer's base, gg soon.
All of Boxer's marines are dying from a ling surround. Boxer finally walls with supply depots and lands his raxes, but no marines while lings attacks the wall. 12 scvs for Boxer.
lol I liked how Doa said "the Barrack nerf of 5 seconds doesn't really matter", and then RIGHT after that, Boxer's bunker was about 2-3 seconds from finishing.
2 rax 2 fac for Boxer who finally lands his 2nd CC. Spine at the ramp for July who is 44 drones vs 26 scv now. Evo and bane pit on the way. Blue flame and shield on the way. Lair is finished, spire started.
Macro hatch and no 3rd for July. Boxer wants to pressure, he cleans a lot of tumors but his push doesn't looks that threatening, and as I say that he gets cleaned by banelings and lings.
Boxer finds another observer and scankill it. Nani adding gates but his timing window is closing more and more. More rax and more gates on the way. 2 colos done and lance upgrading. Nani starts a 3rd.
Nani could stomp boxer but he doesn't know yet. Another CC building for boxer. His drop is denied but Nani retreats when he could have thermal lanced the packed MM. 3rd canceled. Nani turtling and it's the worst possible decision he could take.
On September 25 2011 17:43 MrCon wrote: Nani could stomp boxer but he doesn't know yet. Another CC building for boxer. His drop is denied but Nani retreats when he could have thermal lanced the packed MM. 3rd canceled. Nani turtling and it's the worst possible decision he could take.
yea i think if he had pushed with his collo boxer woulda only had 2~4 vikings
Nani is waiting that Boxer have ghosts and critical mass of vikings to attack, how nice of him. Blink and storm on the way. Immortals on the way. Boxer moves out.
Big engagement, Boxer sends ghosts first, they emp the army but not the templars, all ghosts get killed. Nani lands some emp, but he has no answer to the vikings who kill all his colossi for free. Finally the stalkers arrive, Nani pushes Boxer to his 3rd and force a lift before he has to retreat. Boxer 193 nani 163.
Boxers cloaked ghosts emp everything because no detection for nani, but nani micros his stalkers and kill all the vikings before they kill the colossi, and nani kills a lot ! Nani pushes out to Boxer's 5th and destroy it before retreating. Mass archons morphing but nani needs an observer to counter cloaked ghosts.
What do you do when you're 60 supplies ahead? Sit back and do no pressure until the opponent catches up, then engage in a max vs max battle against protoss death ball...
Good engagement for nani, kills a lot but then his army focus on scv and building while marauders are pounding on them. Boxer loses his 5th again, is mined out everywhere except his 4th. Nani too. Boxer's army is already remade with his 50 raxes, this is still very close. Send 4 zealots to the 4th nani please !
Naniwa being so careful with his HTs - pulling them waaaaay back from the battle front so they don't get EMP'd, even if it means his storms are a little late
Nani gets sucked by a fake push, when he pursues Boxer kills his only mining left, but nani has mega masstemplars and is killing everything, his on Boxer's production now !
Wow Nani will lose this No one is mining but boxer is floating a CC. Nani has is whole army in Boxer's simcity natural, Nani rebuilding his top base. Nani gets cleaned but he has a base mining and another base building, this is not over despite what I said first.
Haaaaaa Naniwa 5th gets sniped but he kills the whole force, even trade I'd say. Not sure if nani is mining right now ? Feedback vs snipe war, but the observer is sniped ! No detection from nani and a horde of cloaked ghosts are sniping and emping everything. Nani long distance mining, Boxer's mining. boxer sends a deathsquad to nani's 4th and he arrive as soon as nani starts his 4th, but he cancels ! Big engagement, nani storms everything and clean it ! omg what I am seeing.
On September 25 2011 17:43 MrCon wrote: Nani could stomp boxer but he doesn't know yet. Another CC building for boxer. His drop is denied but Nani retreats when he could have thermal lanced the packed MM. 3rd canceled. Nani turtling and it's the worst possible decision he could take.
yea i think if he had pushed with his collo boxer woulda only had 2~4 vikings
That's the most frustrating thing for me as a viewer. P not pushing when T doesn't have sufficient viking count for Colossi. Of course it's only because I see both sides. But frustrating nonetheless.
if Naniwa realized Boxer is not mining and can't build anything anymore, he could've just guard the probe with his army until he can build something else.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
On September 25 2011 18:10 Demidyne wrote: was it Boxer vs Alive at MLG anaheim that "almost" went to a draw by complete gas exhaustion, lack of vikings, and floating buildings?
On September 25 2011 18:10 Demidyne wrote: was it Boxer vs Alive at MLG anaheim that "almost" went to a draw by complete gas exhaustion, lack of vikings, and floating buildings?
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
naniwa lost that game not because boxer could float his buildings but because he did not protect his probe and nexus, had he been patient he would have taken it
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
if it was pvp or pvz and the opponent snuck a fast 3rd, was up on upgrades and 60+ supply ahead Nani would not have won the game. Boxer had perfect unit comp the whole time but miscontrolled slghtly in most engagements and almost lost.. doesn't seem right to me, but oh well was a fun game.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Stop complaining about balance. Terran is balanced around being able to float. If they couldn't, they would of had something else, which would of probably helped boxer win that extremely close game.
And beside, it was Naniwa's fault, all he had to do was keep his last army with his last probe. Once he gets 50 mineral, he can get a 2nd probe and it just snowball from there until he gets enough for a Phoenix.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
If Boxer was in Nani's position he would have kept his army together at any opportunity instead of sending out small squads to their deaths in order to snipe the nexus and probes.
Hope nani is more aggressive, it's like in his code A match when he turtled each time he had an advantage, to the point of not having an advantage anymore.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
naniwa lost that game not because boxer could float his buildings but because he did not protect his probe and nexus, had he been patient he would have taken it
nani didnt lose the game to start but i mean you have to understand how us toss feel about this
we hate you terran and one of our champs took out one of yours then got a draw
wheres that sad zealot thread i need to make a new post in it
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Stop complaining about balance. Terran is balanced around being able to float. If they couldn't, they would of had something else, which would of probably helped boxer win that extremely close game.
And beside, it was Naniwa's fault, all he had to do was keep his last army with his last probe. Once he gets 50 mineral, he can get a 2nd probe and it just snowball from there until he gets enough for a Phoenix.
On September 25 2011 18:12 MrCon wrote: Hope nani is more aggressive, it's like in his code A match when he turtled each time he had an advantage, to the point of not having an advantage anymore.
imo it was boxer who always had the supply lead and let Nani build up another gas army after holding off his attacks
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Because Stacraft 2
You forgot Terran's floated buildings too back in BW?
To be fair, he never said anything about Brood War. You guys keep reading his comment as "Necause this is SC2 and not Brood War." But he didn't say that. He just said "Because Terran buildings fly in StarCraft 2."
Races are different. they have different mechanics. Its one of the good things about the game, even if it gives Terrans an extra draw every once in a while. But then again, if the game is balanced, the balance will also include those occasional draws
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
Stop complaining, enjoy the game plz, that's the terran for 13 years already. Base trade is good for terran 90% of the time. Everyone knows it.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
Yeah this is so abusive, I wouldn't be surprised if terran used this strat all the time now.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
Uhm, no, it is the exact opposite. Back in -97 when the legendary Bill Roper pictured in his head an RTS where you had 3 completely different but still balanced races and made it work, it changed the RTS scene forever. What you are looking for is something like Warcraft 2 where Healing and Bloodlust was what separated the races, and that was exactly what Bill wanted to change.
On September 25 2011 18:12 MrCon wrote: Hope nani is more aggressive, it's like in his code A match when he turtled each time he had an advantage, to the point of not having an advantage anymore.
imo it was boxer who always had the supply lead and let Nani build up another gas army after holding off his attacks
yeah but it was after nani had some timings : he had 3 and soon 4 colo when boxer still had 2-4 vikings.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Because Stacraft 2
You forgot Terran's floated buildings too back in BW?
To be fair, he never said anything about Brood War. You guys keep reading his comment as "Necause this is SC2 and not Brood War." But he didn't say that. He just said "Because Terran buildings fly in StarCraft 2."
Races are different. they have different mechanics. Its one of the good things about the game, even if it gives Terrans an extra draw every once in a while. But then again, if the game is balanced, the balance will also include those occasional draws
"Because starcraft 2". I really, really don't think he's comparing sc2 with dawn of war or C&C
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Nani should have protected his probe better.
Let's say Boxer was in nani's position. Would he have to guard his SCV? NO! He could kill all of nani's buildings. VS any other race it would be a win. So stupid.
Uhm, no, it is the exact opposite. Back in -97 when the legendary Bill Roper pictured in his head an RTS where you had 3 completely different but still balanced races and made it work, it changed the RTS scene forever. What you are looking for is something like Warcraft 2 where Healing and Bloodlust was what separated the races, and that was exactly what Bill wanted to change.
Death Knights also died to Exorcism, making them next-to-useless, while Mages ruled all.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Because Stacraft 2
You forgot Terran's floated buildings too back in BW?
To be fair, he never said anything about Brood War. You guys keep reading his comment as "Necause this is SC2 and not Brood War." But he didn't say that. He just said "Because Terran buildings fly in StarCraft 2."
Races are different. they have different mechanics. Its one of the good things about the game, even if it gives Terrans an extra draw every once in a while. But then again, if the game is balanced, the balance will also include those occasional draws
His post implied that Terran won in this situation because it was Starcraft 2. Terran buildings can fly in any StarCraft game, not just StarCraft 2.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
On September 25 2011 18:17 Logros wrote: Naniwa should just take his win there and continue, I feel like if he runs in again he's just gonna kill himself like Huk did.
And he did, 3rd and retreat, nice Hope he think about Boxer will drop him now. 45 scv to 60 probes.
would be lolzy if boxer decided to be BM and wait for naniwa to long distance mine and build a pheonix AND build kill all the buildings which would take like 30+ mins
On September 25 2011 18:17 Logros wrote: Naniwa should just take his win there and continue, I feel like if he runs in again he's just gonna kill himself like Huk did.
And he did, 3rd and retreat, nice Hope he think about Boxer will drop him now. 45 scv to 60 probes.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
that fan joke was actually funny. I'm starting to enjoy Moletrap and Doa casting together more and more; Doa is especially enjoyable because I feel like he's becoming more knowledgeable about the game.
On September 25 2011 18:08 BeyondCtrL wrote: How the fucking triple dickrazors can this be a draw!?
If this was a PvZ NaNi would have won. If it was a PvP NaNi would win. Why is it that a single race can force a draw because of a retarded mechanic?
Because Stacraft 2
You forgot Terran's floated buildings too back in BW?
To be fair, he never said anything about Brood War. You guys keep reading his comment as "Necause this is SC2 and not Brood War." But he didn't say that. He just said "Because Terran buildings fly in StarCraft 2."
Races are different. they have different mechanics. Its one of the good things about the game, even if it gives Terrans an extra draw every once in a while. But then again, if the game is balanced, the balance will also include those occasional draws
His post implied that Terran won in this situation because it was Starcraft 2. Terran buildings can fly in any StarCraft game, not just StarCraft 2.
You fail to realize this is SC2 not Brood War it doesn't matter what would've happened in another game.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
Nani's third is done, Boxer's just starting.
15:00
Triple drop is repelled by stalkers and Nani is sitting in the middle of the map looking for those triple medivacs and there is an engagement with the three dropship hit force. Boxer pulls back and finishes his ghost academy and is sitting outside the main with the three dropships as Nani waits with stalkers.
"Because starcraft 2". I really, really don't think he's comparing sc2 with dawn of war or C&C
"Because Starcraft 2" doesn't have to be a comparison to any other game at all in the first place...
Look at his other post when someone said terran buildings floated back in BW too: "I'm sorry this isn't BW it's SC2". Seriously, it's pretty obvious he tried to take a jab at SC2 and failed. Or he's just tried to start a pointless discussion, in which case, he succeeded.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
Nani's third is done, Boxer's just starting.
15:00
Triple drop is repelled by stalkers and Nani is sitting in the middle of the map looking for those triple medivacs and there is an engagement with the three dropship hit force. Boxer pulls back and finishes his ghost academy and is sitting outside the main with the three dropships as Nani waits with stalkers.
17:00
+2/+2 on the way for boxer +2 attack for Nani. Nani finishes storm, a few templar and his Robo Bay and begins TRIPLE coll production AND thermal lance.
"Because starcraft 2". I really, really don't think he's comparing sc2 with dawn of war or C&C
"Because Starcraft 2" doesn't have to be a comparison to any other game at all in the first place...
Look at his other post when someone said terran buildings floated back in BW too: "I'm sorry this isn't BW it's SC2". Seriously, it's pretty obvious he tried to take a jab at SC2 and failed. Or he's just tried to start a pointless discussion, in which case, he succeeded.
I didn't try to start anything I just stated the fact that this is how SC2 works and discussions about Brood War are pointless.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
Nani's third is done, Boxer's just starting.
15:00
Triple drop is repelled by stalkers and Nani is sitting in the middle of the map looking for those triple medivacs and there is an engagement with the three dropship hit force. Boxer pulls back and finishes his ghost academy and is sitting outside the main with the three dropships as Nani waits with stalkers.
17:00
+2/+2 on the way for boxer +2 attack for Nani. Nani finishes storm, a few templar and his Robo Bay and begins TRIPLE coll production AND thermal lance.
18:30
Yes I said TRIPLE. Boxer is getting +3/+3 and +1 air attacks, but no vikings on the field. +1 only finishing. Boxer has a large MMM force and a ton of ghosts. Nani is hiding SIX colossus and Boxer has NO vikings that I can see.
Can I watch this without a premium membership? I can only select from HQ Live and SQ Live for Premium Ticket Holders on the GomTV Website. There used to be another SQ Live button below for non ticket holders like in all GSL matches. Where did it go and how can I watch this??? Thx for help!
On September 25 2011 18:24 ve1ocity wrote: Can I watch this without a premium membership? I can only select from HQ Live and SQ Live for Premium Ticket Holders on the GomTV Website. There used to be another SQ Live button below for non ticket holders like in all GSL matches. Where did it go and how can I watch this??? Thx for help!
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
Nani's third is done, Boxer's just starting.
15:00
Triple drop is repelled by stalkers and Nani is sitting in the middle of the map looking for those triple medivacs and there is an engagement with the three dropship hit force. Boxer pulls back and finishes his ghost academy and is sitting outside the main with the three dropships as Nani waits with stalkers.
17:00
+2/+2 on the way for boxer +2 attack for Nani. Nani finishes storm, a few templar and his Robo Bay and begins TRIPLE coll production AND thermal lance.
18:30
Yes I said TRIPLE. Boxer is getting +3/+3 and +1 air attacks, but no vikings on the field. +1 only finishing. Boxer has a large MMM force and a ton of ghosts. Nani is hiding SIX colossus and Boxer has NO vikings that I can see.
20:00
Nani's army gets EMPed as Boxer moves into the 4th base of Nani, and he moves into the third and Nani comes behind the army as they move into the third. However, Boxer snipes the third and moves into the natural and keeps running into the main and loses his entire army. Nani is sitting on three bases.
"Because starcraft 2". I really, really don't think he's comparing sc2 with dawn of war or C&C
"Because Starcraft 2" doesn't have to be a comparison to any other game at all in the first place...
Look at his other post when someone said terran buildings floated back in BW too: "I'm sorry this isn't BW it's SC2". Seriously, it's pretty obvious he tried to take a jab at SC2 and failed. Or he's just tried to start a pointless discussion, in which case, he succeeded.
I didn't try to start anything I just stated the fact that this is how SC2 works and discussions about Brood War are pointless.
Well, then I misinterpreted your intentions. I apologize.
On September 25 2011 18:24 ve1ocity wrote: Can I watch this without a premium membership? I can only select from HQ Live and SQ Live for Premium Ticket Holders on the GomTV Website. There used to be another SQ Live button below for non ticket holders like in all GSL matches. Where did it go and how can I watch this??? Thx for help!
Ticket for this is $5, or Free if you own every other GSL ticket. No free stream.
On September 25 2011 18:12 justinpal wrote: Imma do a live report~cuz its fun.
Boxer vs Naniwa on Daybreak Part 2
4:00
Nani on the right, Boxer on the left. Both go for super fast expansions!
6:00
Boxer building a bunker at his natural choke and going up to three racks and pumping marines. Takes both his main gases. Nani sitting on one gateway and researching warp gate. Ahead 33 probes to 24 SCVs.
7:30
Naniwa throws up 6 gates and is making sentries. Boxer is upgrading stim and is sitting on 11 marines and beginning maruader production out of 2 racks.
Nani is pushing out with 1 stalker to scout.
9:00
Now Naniwa is moving out with more and more stalkers, hes up to around 8 stalkers and 5 zealots. Boxer has two bunkers and 3 racks one with reactor. He is upgrading +1 and concussive shells.
Nani moves in on the bunkers and throws up nice forcefields behind the bunkers! Kills 1 bunker and outranges the second bunker with his stalkers and loses all his zealots.
11:30
Stim finishes as Nani pulls back, nani warps in 9 zealots and moves in as Boxer rebuilds his second and third bunker. At the same time Nani makes a third base and sits outside boxers base.
Boxer begins medivac production, combat shields, and +1 armor. Nani begins charge and robo.
13:00
Boxer loads 2 drops with 3 mauarders and a bunch of marines and is dropping behind the main mineral line of Nani forcing a pull. The army comes back and the probes come back early and Nani loses some probes. Nani is able to snipe one medivac as well. The worker count is 54 SCVs vs 52 probes.
Nani's third is done, Boxer's just starting.
15:00
Triple drop is repelled by stalkers and Nani is sitting in the middle of the map looking for those triple medivacs and there is an engagement with the three dropship hit force. Boxer pulls back and finishes his ghost academy and is sitting outside the main with the three dropships as Nani waits with stalkers.
17:00
+2/+2 on the way for boxer +2 attack for Nani. Nani finishes storm, a few templar and his Robo Bay and begins TRIPLE coll production AND thermal lance.
18:30
Yes I said TRIPLE. Boxer is getting +3/+3 and +1 air attacks, but no vikings on the field. +1 only finishing. Boxer has a large MMM force and a ton of ghosts. Nani is hiding SIX colossus and Boxer has NO vikings that I can see.
20:00
Nani's army gets EMPed as Boxer moves into the 4th base of Nani, and he moves into the third and Nani comes behind the army as they move into the third. However, Boxer snipes the third and moves into the natural and keeps running into the main and loses his entire army. Nani is sitting on three bases.
22:00
Nani is pusing into Boxer's natural with 6 colosus stalkers and there are ZERO vikings. Nani moves in and wins against the small MMM force. Boxer GGs and does not float his command center to the corner.
On September 25 2011 18:24 ve1ocity wrote: Can I watch this without a premium membership? I can only select from HQ Live and SQ Live for Premium Ticket Holders on the GomTV Website. There used to be another SQ Live button below for non ticket holders like in all GSL matches. Where did it go and how can I watch this??? Thx for help!
Arena of Legends is pay only. No free stream. Its the only gsl like that
Second game Naniwa managed to do what he didn't in the first game - keep the bulk of colossi alive and win. First game Boxer just wiped them in seconds with a huge number of vikings, otherwise he would have lost pretty early.
Tripple robo all the way! Nice tech switch from nani, even keeping the first 3 back for the off chance that it takes another few seks to notice em. GJ Nani!
well first game boxer had a hidden expo and was 1 base up all game long and then it was close and naniwa would have won if terran wasn't stupid. 2nd game naniwa 'failed' a 6gate and played from behind but boxer didn't play according to the situation and tried some huge doom drops that didn't work and then naniwas 3rd got him back in the game. the surprise colossi won it for him then.
On September 25 2011 18:28 justinpal wrote: Nani vs Boxer Game 2: Antiga Shipyards Part 1
Boxer spawning in the 2 o'clock position. Nani spawning in the 5.5 o'clock position. Close by air.
3:00
Boxer building a Maka rax for his first one, he gets scouted by Nani immediately. Nani looking for the barracks and finds it, both looking standard from here.
On September 25 2011 18:28 justinpal wrote: Nani vs Boxer Game 2: Antiga Shipyards Part 1
Boxer spawning in the 2 o'clock position. Nani spawning in the 5.5 o'clock position. Close by air.
3:00
Boxer building a Maka rax for his first one, he gets scouted by Nani immediately. Nani looking for the barracks and finds it, both looking standard from here.
4:00
Boxer starts his 2nd command center on the low ground, Nani has a zealot and a stalker on the way.
On September 25 2011 18:28 justinpal wrote: Nani vs Boxer Game 2: Antiga Shipyards Part 1
Boxer spawning in the 2 o'clock position. Nani spawning in the 5.5 o'clock position. Close by air.
3:00
Boxer building a Maka rax for his first one, he gets scouted by Nani immediately. Nani looking for the barracks and finds it, both looking standard from here.
4:00
Boxer starts his 2nd command center on the low ground, Nani has a zealot and a stalker on the way.
4:30
can you say 4 gate? Boxer going up to 2 gas and 2 racks, doesn't know this is coming yet, but scouts the zealot stalker partnership and has a one bunker at the top of his natural ramp. Proxy pylon is going up.
On September 25 2011 18:28 justinpal wrote: Nani vs Boxer Game 2: Antiga Shipyards Part 1
Boxer spawning in the 2 o'clock position. Nani spawning in the 5.5 o'clock position. Close by air.
3:00
Boxer building a Maka rax for his first one, he gets scouted by Nani immediately. Nani looking for the barracks and finds it, both looking standard from here.
4:00
Boxer starts his 2nd command center on the low ground, Nani has a zealot and a stalker on the way.
4:30
can you say 4 gate? Boxer going up to 2 gas and 2 racks, doesn't know this is coming yet, but scouts the zealot stalker partnership and has a one bunker at the top of his natural ramp. Proxy pylon is going up.
7:00
Commentators barely notice until Nani moves into Boxer's ramp. Nani snipes a ton of scvs with 10 stalkers and the 1st bunker. second bunker is late and Naniwa is microing against 1 marines and 10 scvs. Boxer ggs at 7:30.
... is there some way to get game sound and just watch the observer movements? I get really annoyed when they aren't even commentating anything that's going on in the game ...
On September 25 2011 18:31 VirgilSC2 wrote: Arena of Cheesers is more like it.
I'm laughing.
4 gate is a cheese now? Hm.
4 gate has always been a cheese except in PvP.
Only if you're a whiner, really. I'm Zerg myself and I've never ever seen it as a cheese. Heck I don't even know if it properly could be called an all-in either, since you can recover from it without killing your opponent.
On September 25 2011 18:33 PimpWilly wrote: Wow, nice to see a good old school 4 gate work so well vs a greedy terran.
Why did it seem like those zealots were doing no damage to the bunker?
SCVs were repairing and the zealots were being targeted down and killed first.
It seemed like there was about 4-5 zealots and like no scvs left, and that bunker just wasn't dying! Haha I'll have to rewatch the vod, but once the stalkers focused it, the bunker dropped crazy fast
First set won by a Protoss! Woo!!! The sad Zealot might begin to feel a glimmer of hope soon.
Also, it's 3:33AM here. What am I doing? I have 7 hours of homework tomorrow. It will be so fun. Maybe I'll just make coffee and start working on it right now. I'm not tired for some reason.
On September 25 2011 18:31 VirgilSC2 wrote: Arena of Cheesers is more like it.
I'm laughing.
4 gate is a cheese now? Hm.
its an all in/cheese.
lol now every 1 base build is cheese/all-in?
come on guys, lets not kid ourselves, 4 gate is a all in. It is a amazing thing to do vs a 1 rax expand however, its a great way to flat out kill a terran who does not build 3 bunkers
Rofl, the casters were like "oooh... it's a 4 gate guys!" When like 10 stalkers and 5 zealots were already whacking at the bunker for good 10-20 seconds. Oh so much love for moletrap+Doa
On September 25 2011 18:31 VirgilSC2 wrote: Arena of Cheesers is more like it.
I'm laughing.
4 gate is a cheese now? Hm.
4 gate has always been a cheese except in PvP.
Only if you're a whiner, really. I'm Zerg myself and I've never ever seen it as a cheese. Heck I don't even know if it properly could be called an all-in either, since you can recover from it without killing your opponent.
And u can recover from a 6pool without killing ur opponent. 4gate is all-in and extremely hard to transition out of if u've ever played protoss.
On September 25 2011 18:36 MrCon wrote: Well 4 gates is pretty much falling in the definition of cheese AND allin : - has to do damage or you lose - has to not be scouted or you lose
On September 25 2011 18:31 VirgilSC2 wrote: Arena of Cheesers is more like it.
I'm laughing.
4 gate is a cheese now? Hm.
4 gate has always been a cheese except in PvP.
Only if you're a whiner, really. I'm Zerg myself and I've never ever seen it as a cheese. Heck I don't even know if it properly could be called an all-in either, since you can recover from it without killing your opponent.
And u can recover from a 6pool without killing ur opponent. 4gate is all-in and extremely hard to transition out of if u've ever played protoss.
I'd more compare it to a 9 or 10 pool than a 6, but hey-ho.
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
Gotta love July, the moment he sees the pylon down the ramp he starts making a bunch more zerglings. Good choice from Naniwa to make the other gates in his base.
On September 25 2011 18:36 MrCon wrote: Well 4 gates is pretty much falling in the definition of cheese AND allin : - has to do damage or you lose - has to not be scouted or you lose
But I don't care, GO NANI /§§
This post pretty much sums it up perfectly.
The difference between 4 gate and cheese like 6 pool is that you can deny the scout.
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
13:00
The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.
On September 25 2011 18:43 Tsubbi wrote: what is this 3 gateway pressure trying to do? bad strat
It's a catch 22, if you let zerg go without making units, they will get too strong an economy and be unstoppable before you can get a third. If you push out with sentries, you're 90% likely to lose them because you can't retreat from Zerg. So you push in and try to last as long as you can to prevent zerg from making drones. You're basically at a loss either way
A 4gate is not necessarily an all-in. There are a couple of variations (probe-cut, gas timing, etc.), HongUn transitions easily out of this by denying terran expansion.
Also, i remember when TLO played random he often simply 4gated as protoss and won in the lategame. Gamesense ftw.
On September 25 2011 18:43 Tsubbi wrote: what is this 3 gateway pressure trying to do? bad strat
It's a catch 22, if you let zerg go without making units, they will get too strong an economy and be unstoppable before you can get a third. If you push out with sentries, you're 90% likely to lose them because you can't retreat from Zerg. So you push in and try to last as long as you can to prevent zerg from making drones. You're basically at a loss either way
ya, but this hits at 40 drones and doesn't prevent him from droning at all
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
13:00
The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.
16:30
July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.
On September 25 2011 18:43 Tsubbi wrote: what is this 3 gateway pressure trying to do? bad strat
It's a catch 22, if you let zerg go without making units, they will get too strong an economy and be unstoppable before you can get a third. If you push out with sentries, you're 90% likely to lose them because you can't retreat from Zerg. So you push in and try to last as long as you can to prevent zerg from making drones. You're basically at a loss either way
ya, but this hits at 40 drones and doesn't prevent him from droning at all
Remember 6 months ago when 3gate expo with pressure was standard and Protoss was winning? What was Zerg doing then?
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
13:00
The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.
16:30
July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.
19:00
July is making more and more roaches and is still 1 base up, Nani is up to +3 attack and is throwing up a robo bay and is taking a third base. July engages at Nani's natural. However, nice blink micro repels the roach force. July has not scouted the third yet. July is making 8 mutas and scouts the third.
On September 25 2011 18:46 Logros wrote: Naniwa isn't doing too bad but July has a pretty big economy by now so he's just gonna get more and more ahead.
Well it delayed the third by a bit, at least thats postponing the inevitable haha
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
13:00
The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.
16:30
July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.
19:00
July is making more and more roaches and is still 1 base up, Nani is up to +3 attack and is throwing up a robo bay and is taking a third base. July engages at Nani's natural. However, nice blink micro repels the roach force. July has not scouted the third yet. July is making 8 mutas and scouts the third.
21:00
Nani has to cancel his third and is trying to micro his heart out behind his mineral line, and is losing a lot of stalkers. A colossus pops out late and the army is cleaned up, but the supplies are 108 to 68 in favor of july who is making more and more mutas and zerlings. He is up to 12 mutalisks and is harassing the main. Nani only has 5 stalkers left.
Naniwa was doing really well but it seems like he just gets too aggressive and forgets about speedling reinforcements messing up his day. I feel like if he had taken a third after holding off the roaches and macro'd up he'd be in great shape right now.
On September 25 2011 18:45 blooblooblahblah wrote: So if they leave one scv is tht not an allin?
Exactly!
In fact, if terran has an orbital, they can't go allin because of mules.
if youre not trolling i dont know what to say to you lol.
its kinda sad but its close to true since doing 111 terran can take most of his scv's with first push and still be able to support his production with reminder or scv's and mules hence the 2nd push is as strong as the first one
On September 25 2011 18:36 justinpal wrote: July vs Naniwa Game 1 - Dual Sight
0:00
July spawning in the top right, Nani spawning in the bottom left.
2:00
July is going for 14 gas 14 hatch, nani goes 12 gateway assimilator.
5:00
Ling speed starts immediately, 4 lings clear out Nani's probe, Nani is building sentries and is posturing for 1 gate expand. July is making more lings, going up to 10 lings and 2 queens and speed finishes.
7:00
Nani cannot expo and is forced to back up his ramp by 10 or so speedlings, and he is putting up three more gates and is sitting on 8 sentries and puts up the nexus as July starts his lair and a roach warren.
9:00
July has 40 drones vs 27 probes of Nani. However, Nani is moving out with 6 zerglings 2 zealots and 7 sentries. July has two spines at his front, and has several roaches and Nani decides to engage and loses 5 sentries and after missing some forcefields.
However, July has speed and burrow finishing soon.
11:00
Nani's army is killed and a spire begins for July zerg and starts +1 ranged attack, as Nani starts +1 attack as well, he throws up 1 cannon at his natural and 2 more gateways going to 5. He finishes twilight council and starts blink.
13:00
The spire finishes as well as the third base for July. So there are 18 roaches and 8 or so mutas getting popped. Nani starts up a robo bay and +2 attack. The mutas start to fly across the map and kill some probes and snipes three stalkers as Nani blinks in and kills almost all the mutas leaving July with 2.
16:30
July finishes a baneling nest and starts baneling speed and baneling production. Nani begins moving across with 20 stalkers and 2 sentries. Nani gets to the third and loses some stalkers to the banelings but kills even more mutas. However, July is able to macro out 18 roaches. Nani is still on 2 bases. However, July is overly agressive and Nani repels Julys attack and chases down the army of July and kills off all but 7 roaches, keeping 20 stalkers alive.
19:00
July is making more and more roaches and is still 1 base up, Nani is up to +3 attack and is throwing up a robo bay and is taking a third base. July engages at Nani's natural. However, nice blink micro repels the roach force. July has not scouted the third yet. July is making 8 mutas and scouts the third.
21:00
Nani has to cancel his third and is trying to micro his heart out behind his mineral line, and is losing a lot of stalkers. A colossus pops out late and the army is cleaned up, but the supplies are 108 to 68 in favor of july who is making more and more mutas and zerlings. He is up to 12 mutalisks and is harassing the main. Nani only has 5 stalkers left.
23:00
July begins the gold and surrounds the third base of Nani and forces a cancel and backs out with no loss. He moves again and forces another cancel and Naniwas just says "g" and leave. :X
you dont want to army trade with zerg with protoss because they will always come out ahead, terran can trade well because marines are so efficient, stalkers are expensive though. that's why people always open FFE nowadays, 3 gate expand -> pressure -> trade army
On September 25 2011 18:50 Maitolasi wrote: You can't get a 3rd up on this map vs Z ever. Gom should do something about this map.
Like play all games on this map from now on? :D
:DDD I don't even know how they could "fix" the map. Perhaps making a pocket 3rd, or making so the north base (when you spawn left) is more accessible and defendable.
I don't get it, zerg 6 pool so often on this map, DRG vs JYP, another recent game i can't remember and I have also seen it so often on stream. Korean Zerg;s are so comfortable 6 pooling and then transitioning into a normal game must be so frustrating, hope nani builds second pylon in main! also just did sweet
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
On September 25 2011 18:50 Maitolasi wrote: You can't get a 3rd up on this map vs Z ever. Gom should do something about this map.
Like play all games on this map from now on? :D
:DDD I don't even know how they could "fix" the map. Perhaps making a pocket 3rd, or making so the north base (when you spawn left) is more accessible and defendable.
Actually I think making the 3rd have a ramp with rocks into the main might make a HUGE difference.
On September 25 2011 18:56 kardinal wrote: DoA, are you kidding me? Naniwa behind after holding off a 6 pool with 1 probe down?
Jesus fucking christ.
The current trend these days does mean that, korean zergs just make like 8 zerglings then go straight into drones and normally expand immediately but Nani had planted that Pylon. Lucky for him.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
On September 25 2011 18:56 kardinal wrote: DoA, are you kidding me? Naniwa behind after holding off a 6 pool with 1 probe down?
Jesus fucking christ.
The current trend these days does mean that, korean zergs just make like 8 zerglings then go straight into drones and normally expand immediately but Nani had planted that Pylon. Lucky for him.
July didn't even make 8 lings, he only made 6 and went straight back into drones. 6pool very strong...economic opening?!
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
On September 25 2011 19:00 jubil wrote: too bad he moved out at the exact wrong moment
Yeah the problem is that you have to pressure the zerg if he's droning hard, but you can't know if he's droning or building a huge army at that point. I guess Naniwa should've scouted ahead of his army with a probe to prevent something like that.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
On September 25 2011 19:01 ZenithM wrote: Very hard to know when you can push. If your opponent happens to randomly build roaches and lings, you're dead.
When you have more than sentries? That was a total huk push there.
On September 25 2011 19:00 jubil wrote: too bad he moved out at the exact wrong moment
Yeah the problem is that you have to pressure the zerg if he's droning hard, but you can't know if he's droning or building a huge army at that point. I guess Naniwa should've scouted ahead of his army with a probe to prevent something like that.
ya sure, that was pure perfect play by nani, poor protoss
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
On September 25 2011 18:54 justinpal wrote: Game 2 Naniwa vs July - Tal'Darim Altar
Nani spawns in the 11 o'clock, and July is spawning in the 1 o'clock.
The Arena of Cheesers continues its legend as July six pools.
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
19:00
5 more infestors coming out from July. Immortal production and +1 attack begins and July begins his third. He moves out to scout the third of Nani and has 10 infestors at the front of Nani's natural.
On September 25 2011 19:07 Fanta_Rules wrote: Has everyone who's watching this bought a ticket? Why is there no free stream? ANSWER ME, DAMN IT!
This question has been asked several times in this thread already. Furthermore, read the OP:
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On September 25 2011 18:55 justinpal wrote: [quote]
2:00
Nani scouts the wrong way. Puts up a forge and sends out a second probe to scout! He'll see the lings coming, what will he do?!!?
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
19:00
5 more infestors coming out from July. Immortal production and +1 attack begins and July begins his third. He moves out to scout the third of Nani and has 10 infestors at the front of Nani's natural.
21:00
Well, Korean zergs apparently never use fungal, and 10 infestors worth of infested terrans are held off because they are not a single army. Nani is on an infestor hunting mission that are burrowed he kills 1 or 2. He loses the trail and begins colossus.
On September 25 2011 18:56 justinpal wrote: [quote]
4:00
Nani puts a pylon at his main and the zerglings run past the forge and engage the zerglings. Nani completely saves all his probes and loses 0 workers to the zerglings. July kills off the pylon and forge at the choke and July starts up his queen. He is supply blocked at 18 and begins an overlord.
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
19:00
5 more infestors coming out from July. Immortal production and +1 attack begins and July begins his third. He moves out to scout the third of Nani and has 10 infestors at the front of Nani's natural.
21:00
Well, Korean zergs apparently never use fungal, and 10 infestors worth of infested terrans are held off because they are not a single army. Nani is on an infestor hunting mission that are burrowed he kills 1 or 2. He loses the trail and begins colossus.
23:00
More and more infestors started, July is going into the third and forces a cancel. July has 50-60 lings and 14 infestors. However, one colossus can kill 100 lings and 100000000 infestors and does. So July begins 11-14 mutas and Nani lost a ton of stalkers to the fungals.
On September 25 2011 18:57 justinpal wrote: [quote]
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
19:00
5 more infestors coming out from July. Immortal production and +1 attack begins and July begins his third. He moves out to scout the third of Nani and has 10 infestors at the front of Nani's natural.
21:00
Well, Korean zergs apparently never use fungal, and 10 infestors worth of infested terrans are held off because they are not a single army. Nani is on an infestor hunting mission that are burrowed he kills 1 or 2. He loses the trail and begins colossus.
23:00
More and more infestors started, July is going into the third and forces a cancel. July has 50-60 lings and 14 infestors. However, one colossus can kill 100 lings and 100000000 infestors and does. So July begins 11-14 mutas and Nani lost a ton of stalkers to the fungals.
And a pack of mutas can keep the P in the base for infinite amount of time. Stop the whining.
On September 25 2011 18:57 justinpal wrote: [quote]
6:00
Pylon blocks July's natural expansion and Naniwa is going up to 2 gases after starting his cyber core. July takes the natural at 24 supply and the counts are 19 Drones vs 23 Probes.
8:00
July is able to scout the base as Nani goes up to three gateways. Speed begins for July and 2 zealots repel three lings, and ignore them and move towards the base of July. July is forced to make 12 zerglings and Nani makes a nexus and kills off half the zerglings and loses all his zealots. July throws up roach warren. Nani is building a gatway wall, with no Forge.
10:00
10 Roaches begin as Nani's 4th and 5th gate come to a close. NAni is sitting on like 8 sentries, and three or so zealots. Nani is moving out for some reason with all his sentries and is slaughtered losing everything.
12:30
However, he has a warp in and July zerg does not follow up the attack and builds 10 drones a macro hatch and an infestation pit, and overseer. Drone = 58 vs 44 Probes. Game freezes a bit.
14:00
Okay, so Nani gets into the base and warps in a ton of zealots in the main. Uses the macro hatch to micro against the roaches. Nani has tons of gateways and is macroing against just roaches with no infestors on the way. Nani keeps warping in more. The game freezes again. However, burrow is finished for july zerg.
Now he starts 5 Infestors and roach speed.
15:00
Infestors are done and they are throwing up fungles but he limits the drone count to 35 and the game looks pretty even. Robo finishes and twilight council begins with an observer.
17:00
Incoming attack with all thoseinfestors and roaches, no fungals and all infested terrans and July is over agressive and loses nearly all his roaches, but retains all 5 infestors. Blink begins for Naniwa and the game is fairly even.
19:00
5 more infestors coming out from July. Immortal production and +1 attack begins and July begins his third. He moves out to scout the third of Nani and has 10 infestors at the front of Nani's natural.
21:00
Well, Korean zergs apparently never use fungal, and 10 infestors worth of infested terrans are held off because they are not a single army. Nani is on an infestor hunting mission that are burrowed he kills 1 or 2. He loses the trail and begins colossus.
23:00
More and more infestors started, July is going into the third and forces a cancel. July has 50-60 lings and 14 infestors. However, one colossus can kill 100 lings and 100000000 infestors and does. So July begins 11-14 mutas and Nani lost a ton of stalkers to the fungals.
25:00
Both players on three bases, and July is harassing with 18 mutas. July is sneaking the 3 o'clock. However, blink stalkers are holding off the harassing. July is going for a counter attack to the third with his mutas and lings. The mutas kills some probes, however, loses all his lings and starts 8 more mutas. July snipes most of the cyber core and more mutas harass the natural.
So Nani GGs as he lost a ton of probes at his third.
lol that game was actually so insane so much agression, that game was like, the perfect example of julyzerg, everything from the 6pool to the endless attacks.
On September 25 2011 19:13 Ruscour wrote: He should've tried to baserace that, July couldn't have killed his army straight-up. As I said before, why would you pick TDA in PvZ T_T
Because a fast third is so hard to take for Zerg. If they try, it's very exposed, and if they don't they're pretty much forced into 2 base ling/infestor.
sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Problem is he couldn't leave his base, yeah he could survive until july had 10 bases against 3. But he should have went for templars, actually huk usually handle those situation perfectly. But dunno if he could tt
On September 25 2011 19:13 figq wrote: Naniwa got Dikembe Mutombo'ed a lot today in both of the matches. Maybe he should consider more ninja expansions.
That's called planning on your opponent to make a mistake. Typically a bad way to play a strategy game.
Nani was so dead in that game. If he defends his natural, the muta in the main kill the cybernetics and he cant make any more AA. If he defends the main, he loses all probes at natural and he already lost all probes at 3d.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
GG's man. The first game against Boxer was epic. So close!
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
We'RE WITH YOU <3 It wasn't a disgrace, only the first map (and not you) was. You defended like a boss
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
It's okay, we believe in you!! Better luck next time.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
If this was ancient Japan you would have to take your own life now.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:13 figq wrote: Naniwa got Dikembe Mutombo'ed a lot today in both of the matches. Maybe he should consider more ninja expansions.
That's called planning on your opponent to make a mistake. Typically a bad way to play a strategy game.
Which one? Repeatedly trying to expand in the most natural location got ridiculously well predicted by both of his opponents today. It looked like they had maphacks; which is just because it is so standard. Is it really better to lose your expansion 3-4 times in a row without getting anything from it?
On September 25 2011 19:16 chambertin wrote: Great to know you understand your mistakes. I know you'll continue to improve and thanks for all the exciting games today. all <3 you Naniwa
Don't you think it would be a little sad if he wouldn't notice his mistakes when he lose all his army for nothing ?
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
No big deal, you played great games against July and Boxer, top Korean players. You should be proud of yourself! In future you are only going to be better and better!
July plays zerg exactly the way I'd play if I was Zerg, it's noticeable that he has played BW for a long time. That IdrA macro-style is just terrible vs. Protoss because Protoss macro > Zerg macro, and since IdrA spends all his energy on flaming blizzard and other players, he himself is the stupid one hitting his head against the wall, trying to macro vs. a protoss who has every unit possible to beat a Zerg in lategame. However, Zerg rush aggression à la July beats Protoss aggression ten times.
G1: July used Naniwas impatience against him, instead of Naniwa sitting back, taking an early 3rd and building Colossus, he goes for that reckless foreign blinkstalker stupidity (the same as HuK was doing yesterday, silly style) vs. a 3 base Zerg right into Julys trap. July's like "sure, please, go ahead and attack me, I can remacro much faster than you". And thats what he did, GG. G2: July completely cornering Naniwa and putting super infestor aggression. What do you do as a protoss vs. 30 infested terran? Yeah, thats right, Colossus. So Naniwa builds colossus, guess what? July has like 20 mutas waiting for them. GG.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
I kinda love your attitude but I kinda hate it too. It's good to keep the fire inside going, but give yourself credit where credit is due; both games where incredibly close and could've easily swung the other way. I understand that your goal is to be able to defeat these damned koreans, but you are getting there man. It was by no means a disgrace. Thanks for the games and GG.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
You played incredibly well. From what I can tell, July really excels in these weird situations and to be able to keep up with him and have so many near win scenarios was incredible.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Cheer up! I thought you played well, plus, you were the ONLY protoss to win a single match in the entire AoL ^^ Just curious though, how come you chose Tal Darim for the map of your choice? Isn't it difficult map for PvZ?
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
i love your attitude, you're gonna be on top again soon
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
lol watching July playing zerg feels dirty, I wish he was able to switch into "safe mode" when he realizes that he has an advantage, but his unpredictable playstyle makes really fun games to watch ^^.
Too bad, NaNiwa. Only thing to do is to beat July next time you meet him. You've improved a lot already and you are already the best non-Korean player in the world.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Live and learn, I'm glad you had a chance at it in this tournament! I felt inspired watching your play, you've come a long way since your finals against Thorizain. I know you'll only get better and better till you win GSL Code S. NANIWA FIGHTING!
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
its OK 1 month and you will gona own all once again !
On September 25 2011 19:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
On September 25 2011 19:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:19 itstheTB wrote: July plays zerg exactly the way I'd play if I was Zerg, it's noticeable that he has played BW for a long time. That IdrA macro-style is just terrible vs. Protoss because Protoss macro > Zerg macro, and since IdrA spends all his energy on flaming blizzard and other players, he himself is the stupid one hitting his head against the wall, trying to macro vs. a protoss who has every unit possible to beat a Zerg in lategame. However, Zerg rush aggression à la July beats Protoss aggression ten times.
G1: July used Naniwas impatience against him, instead of Naniwa sitting back, taking an early 3rd and building Colossus, he goes for that reckless foreign blinkstalker stupidity (the same as HuK was doing yesterday, silly style) vs. a 3 base Zerg right into Julys trap. July's like "sure, please, go ahead and attack me, I can remacro much faster than you". And thats what he did, GG. G2: July completely cornering Naniwa and putting super infestor aggression. What do you do as a protoss vs. 30 infested terran? Yeah, thats right, Colossus. So Naniwa builds colossus, guess what? July has like 20 mutas waiting for them. GG.
Your rather narrow minded aren't you, there is not only 1 way of playing style, if there was every one would do exactly the same. July's aggression has as much or according to some even more weaknesses then macro vs P/T.
every one has it's own opinion as what is best, and that makes for great games.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
Game 1 was a draw and Naniwa did 2-0 later!
Draw game??? I have never watch a draw game b4. How did it happen?
On September 25 2011 19:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
Game 1 was a draw and Naniwa did 2-0 later!
Draw game??? I have never watch a draw game b4. How did it happen?
On September 25 2011 19:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I saw BoxeR and Naniwa having 3 matches in the spoiler result, I saw both BoxeR and Naniwa's name highlighted for game 1, following Naniwa beat Boxer 2 games. Is it error? What is the actual score?
Game 1 was a draw and Naniwa did 2-0 later!
Draw game??? I have never watch a draw game b4. How did it happen?
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
No problem, Naniwa! :3 Both games was really cool to watch and really disputed. No way it was a disgrace. Next time just stay calm. :D
On September 25 2011 20:36 villageidiot wrote: July wasn't Bonjwa -_-
Strangely enough, bonjwa was one of July's nickname before it was used to decribe a player with a period of dominance. You're right though. He's not considered a bonjwa.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Doesn't matter man, you're still one of my favorite Brotosses!
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
dont worry Nani!! We have trust you will do well in korea!!! Good Luck!!!
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Naniwa you're a fucking inspiration, just remember that any time July can all in, he's probably gonna
On September 25 2011 19:19 itstheTB wrote: July plays zerg exactly the way I'd play if I was Zerg, it's noticeable that he has played BW for a long time. That IdrA macro-style is just terrible vs. Protoss because Protoss macro > Zerg macro, and since IdrA spends all his energy on flaming blizzard and other players, he himself is the stupid one hitting his head against the wall, trying to macro vs. a protoss who has every unit possible to beat a Zerg in lategame. However, Zerg rush aggression à la July beats Protoss aggression ten times.
G1: July used Naniwas impatience against him, instead of Naniwa sitting back, taking an early 3rd and building Colossus, he goes for that reckless foreign blinkstalker stupidity (the same as HuK was doing yesterday, silly style) vs. a 3 base Zerg right into Julys trap. July's like "sure, please, go ahead and attack me, I can remacro much faster than you". And thats what he did, GG. G2: July completely cornering Naniwa and putting super infestor aggression. What do you do as a protoss vs. 30 infested terran? Yeah, thats right, Colossus. So Naniwa builds colossus, guess what? July has like 20 mutas waiting for them. GG.
First time I saw a draw in th GSL, nice. But it is sad, that Naniwa didn't advanced, but he should keep on fighting. I believe he could be the second foreign Protoss in Code S.
On September 25 2011 20:36 villageidiot wrote: July wasn't Bonjwa -_-
Strangely enough, bonjwa was one of July's nickname before it was used to decribe a player with a period of dominance. You're right though. He's not considered a bonjwa.
I don't care, it's still Naniwa vs the bonjwas day !
On September 25 2011 20:36 villageidiot wrote: July wasn't Bonjwa -_-
Strangely enough, bonjwa was one of July's nickname before it was used to decribe a player with a period of dominance. You're right though. He's not considered a bonjwa.
I don't care, it's still Naniwa vs the bonjwas day !
July JD and bisu i think are the people who couldve been bonjwa but just barely werent T_T esp T_T for JD who just barely lost out to flash
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
Don't worry about it, you played amazing. Everyone makes one mistake occasionally. Seeing you play this good already just makes think how great you'll be in the future.
Could someone explain game 1 of Boxer vs NaNiwa to me? I still have no idea how the game turned out the way it did. Like, wasn't BoxeR up over 60 supply and had superior upgrades and macro all game long?
On September 26 2011 03:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Oh my god.
MMA > MKP
DRG > July
Finals:
MMA vs DRG
HOLY SHIT!
On paper you are right, but i think it will be MKP vs July! When i read your sig i cant help but think July is gonna beat DRG.
If it does end up to be MKP vs July, that would be EPIC too. I think MKP might actually win. But it tends to be that when he might be able to win, he gets second xD
But if it's MKP vs DRG, I don't think I'll like that too much. MKP is a really great player of course but I'm not sure if he will be able to beat DRG. MMA vs July would be just lulz xD
On September 26 2011 04:31 Poilon wrote: I would love SO MUCH if the final is DRG vs MKP.... The big problem for me is that july can win against drg ... his zvz is damn good
Isn't July known for his amazing ZvT, good ZvP but awful (for code S and July standart of course!) ZvZ?
On September 26 2011 04:31 Poilon wrote: I would love SO MUCH if the final is DRG vs MKP.... The big problem for me is that july can win against drg ... his zvz is damn good
Isn't July known for his amazing ZvT, good ZvP but awful (for code S and July standart of course!) ZvZ?
his ZvZ is definately his weakest matchup, though we havnt seen him play that matchup for quite a while. Artosis tends to exaggerate about playstyles that he dosnt like(like his opinions about hongun), i wouldnt say its awful.
Though i dont really know much about DRG's ZvZ so i would say its 60-40 in favor of drg.
On September 26 2011 04:31 Poilon wrote: I would love SO MUCH if the final is DRG vs MKP.... The big problem for me is that july can win against drg ... his zvz is damn good
Isn't July known for his amazing ZvT, good ZvP but awful (for code S and July standart of course!) ZvZ?
his ZvZ is definately his weakest matchup, though we havnt seen him play that matchup for quite a while. Artosis tends to exaggerate about playstyles that he dosnt like(like his opinions about hongun), i wouldnt say its awful.
Though i dont really know much about DRG's ZvZ so i would say its 60-40 in favor of drg.
July's problem with ZvZ is that it's a matchup where being as aggressive as July likes to be often seems to be bad beyond the Ling/Bling stage.
Last televised ZvZ of July was his match lost vs Nestea on Crevasse in GSL August I think ? They were even matched in a long game until July impaled his ultras into spines roaches, but it looked better than his usual ZvZ. It's a long time without seeing his ZvZ, perhaps he's way better now.
On September 25 2011 19:14 Naniwa wrote: sorry guys, i was such a retard moving out, wouldve won easily if i didnt make that push. didnt realise that he would allin AGAIN. but i guess thats my mistake. will do better in the future.. this was a disgrace
You played awesome, and showed really great decisions as P that others have been unable to. Hopefully you find something else that clicks soon, and you're able to move into the dominating position you deserve!
nani you are playing better and better. i was absolutely amazed by all your games !!
i think you had the game on taldarem altar !! it's insane that you came back even after loosing all those sentries. i guess you should have realized sooner that july zerg just all-ins all the time T.T
also at the end i think few literally 2/3 more stalkers u would have been fine T.T
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