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On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1  Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead
It's a strong one base attack, that is guarenteed to do damage against a greedy build. GUARENTEED. It isn't an all-in for that reason. If Huk had played safe, and terran had sent all his scvs on one base, THAT would be an all-in.
Please people, learn what all-in actually means before posting.
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On August 31 2011 19:15 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:14 Sarang wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 Sixes wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 jackdaleaper wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 31 2011 19:08 Joseph123 wrote:
GG I'm done for this season no more protosses left have fun watching TvT like always thanks, it's the only matchup that produces good games ^_^ Actually ZvT doesn't do too bad unless the zerg loses to some sort of bunker rush. ZvT ends with Zerg getting crushed. NvT or DRGvT can produce fun games to watch. hahahahahahaha. no. ZvT is balanced. volatile, but balanced. Balanced? Oh ok, so that's why bfh and barracks are getting nerfed.
as are infestors. sounds like a volatile match *gasps*
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On August 31 2011 19:14 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead I don't call it an all in. I call it a timing attack.
Yeah. Bringing SCVs to repair and make bunkers doesn't make it an all-in. He still had an economy, and he has MULEs to close the gap.
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On August 31 2011 19:11 LtLolburger wrote:
Huk, arguably the best foreign player, gets facerolled like this? Is the Korean - Foreign gap really this large? I think so, sadly...
Not quite, but I'm pretty sure MVP would of rolled almost any Korean that hard too.
That 3rd game was actually so close to perfect from MVP, the most impressive part was hiding the 3rd OC in the corner when HuK's observer was due to arrive, so intelligent. He also positioned his army in the center of the map to stop huk's timing attack, by threatning a basetrade or flank on his collosus.
Was just incredible.
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Interestingly, July has the best zvt win-rate in Korea. Heh, some good games hopefully.
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On August 31 2011 19:12 nalgene wrote:
MVP is probably the most learned player being able to play with all aspects of the game rather than just a few key aspects.
over time we have seen MVP is able to adapt to different situation much better than most other korean pro-gamers.. that's what made him a formidable player..
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I honestly think HuK could have won Game 2 if he had just brought his void ray to the front to break the wall instead of being all cute with a 2 prong attack.
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On August 31 2011 19:14 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead I don't call it an all in. I call it a timing attack.
Is plexa = wolf in disguise lol
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On August 31 2011 19:15 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:14 Roe wrote:On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead if he doesn't take all his scvs, then how is it an all-in? 4gate cutting probes in 20 is not all in?
Right it isn't. It's a timing attack really. You can go home with your units and do whatever with that. Map control can be purchased you know.
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On August 31 2011 19:15 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:14 Teton wrote:
mvp and nestea are really the 2 best players in the world there is relatively big distance beetwen them though
Yeah NesTea is a bit too old to be considered "Best player of the world", especially if he just gets completely raken apart by players like MMA and Mvp.
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On August 31 2011 19:13 SC2Phoenix wrote:going double expo before gas will do that. No idea what toss can do to scout it and then respond to it. Feels like terran can do so many strong all in pushes but at the same time play so rediculously greedy and get away with it. I give up on protoss T_T
No idea? Such as using one's observer to scout first and take out supply depot's later? Or not narrowly missing the cc being hidden from it because of the prior fact. Or by checking the base with a probe while the terran hides behind 5 bunkers?
Please, guys, let's talk about the games and not whine about balance. There were so many awesome moments in these games.
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On August 31 2011 19:12 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:10 icarly wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 Medrea wrote:On August 31 2011 19:08 WArped wrote:On August 31 2011 19:06 Medrea wrote:On August 31 2011 19:05 Silentness wrote:Is HuK nervous? It looks like he's making some huge mistakes  He is jetlagged. Right? I can say that? Completely warranted here I hate it when people blame jetlag for everything but..... This guy has lived on a plane for like 1 month straight. Huk in his prime 3 years in the future wouldn't take a game from MvP, sorry. jetlag could be used as an excuse vs anyone else, but not here. well that's a bit of an extreme statement, but today, yea, HuK in tip-top shape wouldn't have been able to win a Bo5 against tonight's MVP. a slumping MVP or sloppy MVP probably, but not the one that showed up tonight.
I didn't see anything exceptional from MVP today. Don't get me wrong, he's an amazing player and he played a solid series with well prepared builds. The simple truth is that HuK didn't spend enough time preparing for his opponent, and on top of that is probably in bad shape due to all the traveling (which I think is really dissapointing to be honest).
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On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead
Okay let's make one thing clear. This goes for you and every other person that spouts that bullshit line.
Failure in a fight is not a binary result. It isn't WIN-LOSE, it isn't 100% or 0%. Unless MVPs army just decided to get sucked into a vortex and disappear while dealing NO DAMAGE, he had the the very good opportunity to deal enough damage to Huk to put HUK behind as well, perhaps evening things up or even leaving MVP ahead.
THAT IS NOT ALL-IN.
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On August 31 2011 19:16 stevorino wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:09 NguN wrote:
lol MVP BoX is ridiculous
Marine/Tank >>> 1 Gate Sentry expo
Banshee all in > Huk's 2 base 1/1/1 (lol)
1 Rax expand > 3 Gate pressure expand
no banshees in the whole series dude.
He was making one, then canceled it when he saw the Voidray
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On August 31 2011 19:15 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:12 shabby wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 LtLolburger wrote:
Huk, arguably the best foreign player, gets facerolled like this? Is the Korean - Foreign gap really this large? I think so, sadly... The MVP - foreigner gap, you mean. South Korea is clearly one step ahead of Europe which is itself one stop ahead of North America. I hope China will show some dominance like they did with Warcraft 3 because watching South Koreans dominating every single tournament where they're invited is pretty boring.
Koreans are slipping. There were 10 Koreans at MLG Raleigh and they didn't take 1-10, only 1-6.
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On August 31 2011 19:15 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:13 MrCon wrote:
Huk waited so long to push in game 3...Don't research charge or stuff, get +1 weapons, megamass stalkers, and push.
Then the decision to expand on the far of the map when he has a 3rd very close, so he get sandwiched and dropped and bad rallypointed ><
Huk clearly tilted. He had lost the game at that point The far away third was a risk. MVP scouted it and dealt with it, but there was no way in hell that HuK could ever come back by playing standard. You would need to be MC to do that
Huk had an excellent chance at winning right then. MVP was all production structures and upgrades- no viking count. 4 colossii give me chills. Not as bad as six of course but Huk had a real time he could have won. MVP tricked him out so damn hard and won the game.
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On August 31 2011 19:14 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead if he doesn't take all his scvs, then how is it an all-in?
because if it fails he loses.
you don't have to bring your workers in an all-in. In fact terran is the only race that does bring all its workers in an allin because they dont need workers to mine (although 2 gate probe all-in is quite fiun in close spawn PvP)
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On August 31 2011 19:15 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:14 Sarang wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 Sixes wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 jackdaleaper wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 31 2011 19:08 Joseph123 wrote:
GG I'm done for this season no more protosses left have fun watching TvT like always thanks, it's the only matchup that produces good games ^_^ Actually ZvT doesn't do too bad unless the zerg loses to some sort of bunker rush. ZvT ends with Zerg getting crushed. NvT or DRGvT can produce fun games to watch. hahahahahahaha. no. ZvT is balanced. volatile, but balanced. Balanced? Oh ok, so that's why bfh and barracks are getting nerfed.
Yeah and infestors aren't getting any...
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On August 31 2011 19:15 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 19:14 Roe wrote:On August 31 2011 19:13 Tantaburs wrote:On August 31 2011 19:11 E-Coffee wrote:On August 31 2011 19:10 Dev11 wrote:On August 31 2011 19:09 DwmC_Foefen wrote:On August 31 2011 19:07 covetousrat wrote:
Oh just came on. What happen in game 1 and 2? ANy1? One base timingpushes with tanks and marines. No allins though, just variants of 1-1-1 Im sorry, but he brought every scv with him in game 1. How is that not allin. He brought 4... FOUR it was an all-in i dont know how you call that not an allin. If it had failed he would have been behind in workers down an expansion and pretty dead if he doesn't take all his scvs, then how is it an all-in? 4gate cutting probes in 20 is not all in?
You can transition out of 4 gate, no?
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