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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:09:52
August 12 2011 11:08 GMT
#1161
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.


I love you Jinro
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 12 2011 11:08 GMT
#1162
On August 12 2011 20:05 Deshkar wrote:
Erm, I don't know why people are saying the banshees were given away. Asd clearly did not expect Stargate play, and 111 sending 1-2 banshee to poke harass the Protoss is pretty common.

Yup, wouldn't have expected the phoenix,it's just totally standard to harrass with banshees.. and the fact that puzzle was coming out to meet him in the middle, pick off a unit then fall back. Was very nice play.

Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
August 12 2011 11:08 GMT
#1163
On August 12 2011 20:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:57 DystopiaX wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:56 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:56 Ribbon wrote:
Puzzle messed up a little, and he's still going to hold it.

A properly executed 1-1-1 has been held, even with minor mistakes from the protoss!


That wasn't properly executed. Don't you hear what Artosis is saying about all the free kills Puzzle got? asd messed up a lot more than Puzzle did.

Free kills, don't think it would've done as well with the Raven.

Here are a few important things to note about that. Puzzle got THREE free banshees. That is about a third of the builds DPS wasted. ASD moved early and didn't have siege tech allowing Puzzle to take a free tank and get into a fantastic position. Finally, Puzzle's micro was so much better than ASD's. His immortal control was fantastic and the ASD had his tanks in the front.

Was it a hold? HELL YES (puzzle fighting)! Was it a hold against a top notch 1-1-1? No way.

And why did he killed 3 free banshees ? Because as soon as his obs scouted the 111 he started a stargate, so if the T harass with his banshees (which he does 80% of the time and get 4-8 probes) he'll lose them. It was not 3 randomly free banshees, it was free banshees that everyone who does this push will always lose unless they stop harassing. This is huge.


I don't think this is "problem solved," but it's definitely a step towards a stable, reliable defense to that all-in.
No relation to Monsieur J.
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
August 12 2011 11:08 GMT
#1164
the strange team choices continue huh if you are against the ropes send out TheBest the name will not save you.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1165
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.



QFT. It's pretty standard to see 1-1-1 builds use their first 1 or 2 banshee to harass and poke the mineral lines of the toss.
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1166
On August 12 2011 20:06 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:57 DystopiaX wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:56 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:56 Ribbon wrote:
Puzzle messed up a little, and he's still going to hold it.

A properly executed 1-1-1 has been held, even with minor mistakes from the protoss!


That wasn't properly executed. Don't you hear what Artosis is saying about all the free kills Puzzle got? asd messed up a lot more than Puzzle did.

Free kills, don't think it would've done as well with the Raven.

Here are a few important things to note about that. Puzzle got THREE free banshees. That is about a third of the builds DPS wasted. ASD moved early and didn't have siege tech allowing Puzzle to take a free tank and get into a fantastic position. Finally, Puzzle's micro was so much better than ASD's. His immortal control was fantastic and the ASD had his tanks in the front.

Was it a hold? HELL YES (puzzle fighting)! Was it a hold against a top notch 1-1-1? No way.

And why did he killed 3 free banshees ? Because as soon as his obs scouted the 111 he started a stargate, so if the T harass with his banshees (which he does 80% of the time and get 4-8 probes) he'll lose them. It was not 3 randomly free banshees, it was free banshees that everyone who does this push will always lose unless they stop harassing. This is huge.
I think it will just lead to them not harassing with the banshees. The probe kills don't majorly effect the game (it usually ends within 3 minutes of that). That was also a raven-less variation. I'm not saying that the hold wasn't a big deal, but it doesn't mean that the build is solved considering Puzzle really outclasses ASD.
Kinch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1167
People say the banshees were given away because they were built (thus resources used and build time consumed) and did absolutely nothing. They aren't implying agency from the Terran player.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:09:48
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1168
Here comes the best anti-team heartbreaker.

FishBones
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia195 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1169
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.


Jinro knows what's up. Oh god the contradictions from yesterday to today..
Tears fill my eyes, so I look up | You and I, right now we can't be together
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1170
Tastosis would love to see TheBest macro but I bet as much as I do that TheBest will do the infamous all-in, bring it on!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1171
On August 12 2011 20:07 Vitamins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 20:06 JKira wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:03 Vitamins wrote:
On August 12 2011 20:00 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:59 Vitamins wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:57 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 19:56 Vitamins wrote:
Now hopefully Protoss stops crying.


You're assuming Protoss players are stupid and will be pacified by seeing a crappily executed 1-1-1 held. Hear what Artosis is saying about the free kills Puzzle got?


Killing a key unit turns the tides of an all-in/rush? Gasp! I am in shock!


I don't feel like you're addressing my main point here. Letting those units die was asd's fault.


Of course it was his fault. Had he even had the banshees and kept them with the army, Puzzle still would have phoenix for either banshee/marine soak and siege tank pick-ups. It still would have been different results than any of the current 1/1/1 tear-feasts, win or lose. And it was looking like he would have won regardless of getting the free banshees.


But he almost lost even with the free banshees and tanks, so how can you say it looked like he would've won without them?


That was almost losing? Oh, okay.

Edit: ^ exactly


He ended up with like a few stalkers that were badly damaged. Did you hear Artosis?

And lol at you trying to bring Jinro into this.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
August 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1172
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.


Don't argue in LR threads. These whining people have the long term memory of a .....seriously mentally fucked up insect. Tomorrow they'll whine about something completely different, believe me!
the game is the game
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1173
On August 12 2011 20:05 Deshkar wrote:
Erm, I don't know why people are saying the banshees were given away. Asd clearly did not expect Stargate play, and 111 sending 1-2 banshee to poke harass the Protoss is pretty common.


It was an interesting play that was much more effective because the Terran didn't expect it and lost his banshees. That Puzzle got lucky neither proves nor necessarily refutes the concept of the build.

If it or a variant is actually viable, we'll know in the next week or so because more Protoss will try it (or we'll see Terrans stop 1-1-1'ing and wonder why, because it was beaten in practice)
insolentrus
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation304 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1174
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.

ofc its beatable, if u know when and what coming in time
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1175
Alot of Protoss aren't really looking for a way to counter 1/1/1. They are looking for a buff

So every time 1/1/1 loses, it's just because Terran fucked up or Protoss got lucky or way outplayed his opponent
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Shooks
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia256 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1176
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.


Well. You can just mass up more marines against any phoenix openings, and zealots will just melt to a mass of marines. I've even seen a Terran get a thor out against optikzero and absolutely demolished him
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1177
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.

You may be right but this game was not conclusive evidence that a stargate opening demolishes the build. Did you see asd orbital energy? He had 1 reactor rax and sieged late. Bomber's all in was the most scary I've seen and MC couldn't beat it even though he played well.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 11:13:01
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1178
On August 12 2011 20:08 SxYSpAz wrote:

Me: Hey HerO, what should I do if Protoss makes phoenix vs me when I open 1/1/1?
Hero: Hm... *thinking*
*Vines walks by*: Ahahahaha Terran NEVER win ahahaha

Note: Didnt even see this game, but phoenix are one of the best answers to holding 1/1/1 - especially opening phoenix first. Rapes ravens haaaard too.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1179
The best at 7, Puzzle at 1
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
August 12 2011 11:10 GMT
#1180
On August 12 2011 20:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Lol, been saying forever that phoenix is a free win vs any factory build ^_^;

Yesterday people whined so hard because Thorzain doesnt send his first banshee to scout, today asd sends his first banshee to scout and gets raped by phoenix.

How about you all go jump into a fucking lake.

Note: Build could still be stupidly good, but people who think its completely unbeatable are wrong.


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