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On August 11 2011 16:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 11 2011 16:41 Truefire wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 Fionn wrote: Only a few terrans don't 1-1-1 vs P. Optimus, Bomber, Keen. Any others? Bomber's done this multiple times vs MC pretty sure bomber's only done it once to MC feel free to prove me wrong though That's my recollection as well. To the above poster, Polt used this build during the super tourney, so he's off your list. We're down to Keen... MVP hasn't done it either. And 2 base non all in version is much different and very stoppable.
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On August 11 2011 16:46 bokeevboke wrote: zeal/sentry/stalker/immortal composition beats 1/1/1. bad strategy choice by Tassadar -_- vod?
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On August 11 2011 16:47 Yang Wenli wrote: Well If it were me, in order to build ravens just make it so you need an armory. Science vessels needed another building in BW. It doesn't make sense that a PDD is instantly available based on the level of tech construction from 1-1-1. That's actually a really good idea. They have detection from scans. It might mess up TvT a bit, but it would be a huge difference in PvT and no difference in ZvTvZ
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On August 11 2011 16:47 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:44 youngminii wrote:On August 11 2011 16:43 tuho12345 wrote:On August 11 2011 16:41 taLbuk wrote: Just as Zergs cried over stupid protoss builds, they eventually learned to deal with them, the same will happen with Protoss, so stop filling LR threads with bullshit balance complaints. bullshit, without infestor buff, Zerg can't never beat that!!! lol this is true i fucking hate it when people pull out the "zerg figured out how to deal with x" THEY DIDN'T THEY GOT BUFFED jesus christ there's a difference Infestor buff has nothing to do in zerg learning how to deal with stargate opening into colossus, or heavy gatewya agression. The only thing that was fix by Finfextor buff was the unbeatable VR Colossus ball. These games make me sad. I hope Blizzard don't nerf fix this in the wrong way, making stalker too powerfull, or making raven be use even less.
Warpgate nerf stopped most of the fast protoss gateway timings, and stargate openings were never overpowered, just hard to deal with.
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On August 11 2011 16:45 liam33 wrote: protoss fails all in and does worst possible follow up Terran pushes them. imba.
And you’re going to listen to fucking Wolf who also blamed him for not expanding the game before, rofl.
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On August 11 2011 16:43 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:42 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 youngminii wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:38 Toadvine wrote:On August 11 2011 16:37 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:36 Razyel wrote:On August 11 2011 16:34 stuchiu wrote: I don't understand why these toss keep falling for this, Artosis solved this build 2-3months ago. I'm so sick of guys like you, saying that is solved but you dont tell how. one base colossus pretty much. You kill the ground army (maybe) and then lose to Banshees. yay lets argue over a hypothical game. i'll say stalkers, you say, tanks, i say immortals, you say marines, i say colossus, you say banshee.. yaaaaaaaaaaay. please. one base colossus is ur BEST shot. obviously you'll have to do some targetting...... ... stop spreading misinformation please lol how is it misinformation? I dont know how all of a sudden 111 has infected TL . Its not new. how is it misinformation? i don't know why you think you (or even artosis for that matter) are better than code s players in short, you're not, stop spreading this one base colossus filth, you're just going to confuse innocent people who actually listen to you
i like how you didn't answer how its misinformation btw.
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On August 11 2011 16:46 DBS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:43 Truefire wrote:On August 11 2011 16:43 ShootingStars wrote:On August 11 2011 16:42 oriox wrote: thank god that cheesy no skill tassadar is out. i doubt he makes it to code a again. No kidding, did 4 gate every game against puzzle who was trying to play a fullup macro game Oh man, that guy doing 4 gate in PvP, what a cheeser. ppl 4gate in PvP cuz its the "best" build ppl 1-1-1 in TvP cuz its the "best" build fucking hypocrites. yoda would tear up the foreign scene np. so would thebest. and so would bitbybit if he hadnt stopped playing. this thread is ridicolous Except, 4 gate in PvP is no where near as hard to hold even if you're doing a different build. Also, it's a mirror matchup so you can 4 gate yourself. These are completely different scenarios.
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On August 11 2011 16:48 SxYSpAz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:46 bokeevboke wrote: zeal/sentry/stalker/immortal composition beats 1/1/1. bad strategy choice by Tassadar -_- vod?
He just got that from a recent guide on TL that is nothing more than just one of the many theories that go around on how to defeat the 1/1/1. The void ray all in was also one.
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On August 11 2011 16:48 skrzmark wrote: I still think Archon Zealot is the counter to 1-1-1 feed back on raven?? banshees? Almost every match where I have seen a toss go a non-stargate build against terran, the terran just focuses the stalkers, then uses banshees to kill everything. Archon zealot will have the exact same problem. Especially with tanks for the zealots.
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On August 11 2011 16:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:47 Noocta wrote:On August 11 2011 16:44 youngminii wrote:On August 11 2011 16:43 tuho12345 wrote:On August 11 2011 16:41 taLbuk wrote: Just as Zergs cried over stupid protoss builds, they eventually learned to deal with them, the same will happen with Protoss, so stop filling LR threads with bullshit balance complaints. bullshit, without infestor buff, Zerg can't never beat that!!! lol this is true i fucking hate it when people pull out the "zerg figured out how to deal with x" THEY DIDN'T THEY GOT BUFFED jesus christ there's a difference Infestor buff has nothing to do in zerg learning how to deal with stargate opening into colossus, or heavy gatewya agression. The only thing that was fix by Finfextor buff was the unbeatable VR Colossus ball. These games make me sad. I hope Blizzard don't nerf fix this in the wrong way, making stalker too powerfull, or making raven be use even less. Warpgate nerf stopped most of the fast protoss gateway timings, and stargate openings were never overpowered, just hard to deal with.
Most gateway agression build vs zerg don't involve attacking right when warpgate finish. ><
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Tassadar was just doing the 2 builds that people have been saying are the counter, but hadn't been done on television. Now there is proof that no definite answer exists and your best chance is to hope the terran forgets siege mode. That's why he was smiling, he just added the final pieces of evidence to the OP puzzle that is the 1/1/1.
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On August 11 2011 16:47 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:44 youngminii wrote:On August 11 2011 16:43 tuho12345 wrote:On August 11 2011 16:41 taLbuk wrote: Just as Zergs cried over stupid protoss builds, they eventually learned to deal with them, the same will happen with Protoss, so stop filling LR threads with bullshit balance complaints. bullshit, without infestor buff, Zerg can't never beat that!!! lol this is true i fucking hate it when people pull out the "zerg figured out how to deal with x" THEY DIDN'T THEY GOT BUFFED jesus christ there's a difference Infestor buff has nothing to do in zerg learning how to deal with stargate opening into colossus, or heavy gatewya agression. The only thing that was fix by Finfextor buff was the unbeatable VR Colossus ball. These games make me sad. I hope Blizzard don't nerf fix this in the wrong way, making stalker too powerfull, or making raven be use even less.
6 second spore burrow. You're now invincible v voidray pressure with the realization that more queens are prety awesome. God I wish a zerg had gone through instead of this random generic terran.
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On August 11 2011 16:43 VictorX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:38 DrNK.Zeal wrote: Anyone else get annoyed by how condescending wolf can be towards the players...??? Not even b/c i think he's factually wrong, but b/c he's not on their level at all... yea I know he's a pro - but he's a joke compared to these guys so for him to flat out say what Tass is doing is the 'worst possible thing to do' feels pretty bm/bad/dumb/silly
at least cast it like 'this might be bad for tass!!!!' But that was the worst thing you can do 1/1/1 tank/marine/viking stomps all over gateway army + voidray It's so one-sided that expanding ontop of that leaves you vulnerable to a counterattack. Voidrays cost 250/150 each, and if you don't do significant damage with them, they are a liability in your army.
It seems that every single 1-1-1 game protoss does the "worst thing you can do" to stop it, then someone comes in and says oh he should of done this and this then when another protoss does that it is also the worst thing to do.
Just seems like the best response to this is different every day
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On August 11 2011 16:45 liam33 wrote: protoss fails all in and does worst possible follow up Terran pushes them. imba.
yeah the worst possible follow up.. slow the push and get your second running while massing units including collosus for mass marine. A horrible response.
wait.... wut?
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On August 11 2011 16:40 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:40 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:38 Toadvine wrote:On August 11 2011 16:37 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:36 Razyel wrote:On August 11 2011 16:34 stuchiu wrote: I don't understand why these toss keep falling for this, Artosis solved this build 2-3months ago. I'm so sick of guys like you, saying that is solved but you dont tell how. one base colossus pretty much. You kill the ground army (maybe) and then lose to Banshees. yay lets argue over a hypothical game. i'll say stalkers, you say, tanks, i say immortals, you say marines, i say colossus, you say banshee.. yaaaaaaaaaaay. please. one base colossus is ur BEST shot. obviously you'll have to do some targetting...... ... stop spreading misinformation please Dude stop with the colossus build, it's the most stupid buid you could agains this ...he makes bansches and a raven puts down the PDD and you stalkers suck and he kills the colosus withe the banshes and he focurs fire the colusus with the tanks too, all you manage to do at most is kill some marines with the colosus.
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Blizzard said that they won't do any major balance changes until the add-on, so how exactly can they nerf this build? (while keeping TvZ balanced).
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On August 11 2011 16:44 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:42 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:38 Toadvine wrote:On August 11 2011 16:37 NExt wrote:On August 11 2011 16:36 Razyel wrote:On August 11 2011 16:34 stuchiu wrote: I don't understand why these toss keep falling for this, Artosis solved this build 2-3months ago. I'm so sick of guys like you, saying that is solved but you dont tell how. one base colossus pretty much. You kill the ground army (maybe) and then lose to Banshees. yay lets argue over a hypothical game. i'll say stalkers, you say, tanks, i say immortals, you say marines, i say colossus, you say banshee.. yaaaaaaaaaaay. please. one base colossus is ur BEST shot. obviously you'll have to do some targetting...... ... If you attempt to tech to colossus off 1 base and not get twilight then you're essentially limiting the amount of observers you have... in the engagement against terran with cloak banshees... marines will shoot down obs and you're screwed even if you destroy the ground army :/ bro.. even in diamond you know the control your observers for this purpose. you also know to make at least two. and thats diamond. again...... its a hypothetical game so this will go around in circles. Even Artosis made a video on how to counter this... Artosis... 111 isn't new but the hate is spreading like wildfire. why!
If you were right, we wouldn't have seen all the toss getting owned by now, because 1 base colossus was an old build and any pro-gamer would've tried it against the 1-1-1. But obviously it isn't as easy as you've described since every toss is dying out there.
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On August 11 2011 16:46 Obaten wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:45 Ansalem wrote: In this episode of the GSL, Moletrap teaches Wolf about the Jews. Should teach him how to make matzoh ball soup. That stuff is fantastic i celebrate Hanukkah with my friends family sometimes just cause the food is awesome :D + Show Spoiler +and i'm disgustingly lucky at dradle
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On August 11 2011 16:48 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:47 Yang Wenli wrote: Well If it were me, in order to build ravens just make it so you need an armory. Science vessels needed another building in BW. It doesn't make sense that a PDD is instantly available based on the level of tech construction from 1-1-1. That's actually a really good idea. They have detection from scans. It might mess up TvT a bit, but it would be a huge difference in PvT and no difference in ZvTvZ
TvT would hardly be affected by this change, missile turrets and scans are more than enough to deal with Banshees based from the timings I've seen from competent players.
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the way to beat 1/1/1 is to FE, hope they allin, drop zealots in their mineral line with warp prism after they move out and hope they don't have enough at home to stop it, sac your natural and FF your ramp. that's not very fair though because if they aren't very predictable it may not work, and if they make a banshee at home or don't send lots of marines they can stop it, or if they have a viking protecting home they can stop it. but it works a lot of the time.
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