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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote: That's my recollection as well. To the above poster, Polt used this build during the super tourney, so he's off your list. We're down to Keen... MVP hasn't done it either. And 2 base non all in version is much different and very stoppable. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:46 bokeevboke wrote: zeal/sentry/stalker/immortal composition beats 1/1/1. bad strategy choice by Tassadar -_- vod? | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:47 Yang Wenli wrote: Well If it were me, in order to build ravens just make it so you need an armory. Science vessels needed another building in BW. It doesn't make sense that a PDD is instantly available based on the level of tech construction from 1-1-1. That's actually a really good idea. They have detection from scans. It might mess up TvT a bit, but it would be a huge difference in PvT and no difference in ZvTvZ | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:47 Noocta wrote: Infestor buff has nothing to do in zerg learning how to deal with stargate opening into colossus, or heavy gatewya agression. The only thing that was fix by Finfextor buff was the unbeatable VR Colossus ball. These games make me sad. I hope Blizzard don't nerf fix this in the wrong way, making stalker too powerfull, or making raven be use even less. Warpgate nerf stopped most of the fast protoss gateway timings, and stargate openings were never overpowered, just hard to deal with. | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:45 liam33 wrote: protoss fails all in and does worst possible follow up Terran pushes them. imba. And you’re going to listen to fucking Wolf who also blamed him for not expanding the game before, rofl. | ||
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NExt
Australia1651 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:43 youngminii wrote: i don't know why you think you (or even artosis for that matter) are better than code s players in short, you're not, stop spreading this one base colossus filth, you're just going to confuse innocent people who actually listen to you i like how you didn't answer how its misinformation btw. | ||
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Truefire
United States226 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:46 DBS wrote: ppl 4gate in PvP cuz its the "best" build ppl 1-1-1 in TvP cuz its the "best" build fucking hypocrites. yoda would tear up the foreign scene np. so would thebest. and so would bitbybit if he hadnt stopped playing. this thread is ridicolous Except, 4 gate in PvP is no where near as hard to hold even if you're doing a different build. Also, it's a mirror matchup so you can 4 gate yourself. These are completely different scenarios. | ||
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Applesmack
Canada680 Posts
He just got that from a recent guide on TL that is nothing more than just one of the many theories that go around on how to defeat the 1/1/1. The void ray all in was also one. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:48 skrzmark wrote: I still think Archon Zealot is the counter to 1-1-1 feed back on raven?? banshees? Almost every match where I have seen a toss go a non-stargate build against terran, the terran just focuses the stalkers, then uses banshees to kill everything. Archon zealot will have the exact same problem. Especially with tanks for the zealots. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:49 SafeAsCheese wrote: Warpgate nerf stopped most of the fast protoss gateway timings, and stargate openings were never overpowered, just hard to deal with. Most gateway agression build vs zerg don't involve attacking right when warpgate finish. >< | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11085 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:47 Noocta wrote: Infestor buff has nothing to do in zerg learning how to deal with stargate opening into colossus, or heavy gatewya agression. The only thing that was fix by Finfextor buff was the unbeatable VR Colossus ball. These games make me sad. I hope Blizzard don't nerf fix this in the wrong way, making stalker too powerfull, or making raven be use even less. 6 second spore burrow. You're now invincible v voidray pressure with the realization that more queens are prety awesome. God I wish a zerg had gone through instead of this random generic terran. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:43 VictorX wrote: But that was the worst thing you can do 1/1/1 tank/marine/viking stomps all over gateway army + voidray It's so one-sided that expanding ontop of that leaves you vulnerable to a counterattack. Voidrays cost 250/150 each, and if you don't do significant damage with them, they are a liability in your army. It seems that every single 1-1-1 game protoss does the "worst thing you can do" to stop it, then someone comes in and says oh he should of done this and this then when another protoss does that it is also the worst thing to do. Just seems like the best response to this is different every day  | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:45 liam33 wrote: protoss fails all in and does worst possible follow up Terran pushes them. imba. yeah the worst possible follow up.. slow the push and get your second running while massing units including collosus for mass marine. A horrible response. wait.... wut? | ||
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Razyel
295 Posts
Dude stop with the colossus build, it's the most stupid buid you could agains this ...he makes bansches and a raven puts down the PDD and you stalkers suck and he kills the colosus withe the banshes and he focurs fire the colusus with the tanks too, all you manage to do at most is kill some marines with the colosus. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:44 NExt wrote: bro.. even in diamond you know the control your observers for this purpose. you also know to make at least two. and thats diamond. again...... its a hypothetical game so this will go around in circles. Even Artosis made a video on how to counter this... Artosis... 111 isn't new but the hate is spreading like wildfire. why! If you were right, we wouldn't have seen all the toss getting owned by now, because 1 base colossus was an old build and any pro-gamer would've tried it against the 1-1-1. But obviously it isn't as easy as you've described since every toss is dying out there. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:46 Obaten wrote: Should teach him how to make matzoh ball soup. That stuff is fantastic i celebrate Hanukkah with my friends family sometimes just cause the food is awesome :D + Show Spoiler + and i'm disgustingly lucky at dradle | ||
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Yang Wenli
United States2283 Posts
On August 11 2011 16:48 Jacobs Ladder wrote: That's actually a really good idea. They have detection from scans. It might mess up TvT a bit, but it would be a huge difference in PvT and no difference in ZvTvZ TvT would hardly be affected by this change, missile turrets and scans are more than enough to deal with Banshees based from the timings I've seen from competent players. | ||
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