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On August 11 2011 16:44 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:42 Serpico wrote: Protoss all ins with voids. fine terran punishes them. imba. "Punishes." They were both doing an allin just the Terran allin hits slower. He still had to survive an all in. Tassadar had his chance.
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On August 11 2011 16:43 WickedBit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:42 lizzard_warish wrote: so apparently the last thing you want to do against a 1-1-1 is expanding? so what are you suppose to do against terran now? just sit there massing troops arbitrarily [assuming he blocks scouting info]? Or hell, are we honestly suppose to go 1 base against a terran who's clearly at an advantage in that regard? Doesnt matter when the all in hits or what we do before hand, its simply impossible to stop. I think best thing to do when facing terran is gg. Atleast it will save players some mental anguish. with toss barely hoving in the mid 30's your basically right on the money. I my as well not be in the game. -_-
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On August 11 2011 16:43 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:41 taLbuk wrote: Just as Zergs cried over stupid protoss builds, they eventually learned to deal with them, the same will happen with Protoss, so stop filling LR threads with bullshit balance complaints. bullshit, without infestor buff, Zerg can't never beat that!!! lol Lots of zergs seem to want to shrug off seemingly valid toss complaints by saying, "We innovated, now it's your turn nubz!" even though 2-rax received multiple nerfs, and fungal was made into what is arguably the best spell in the game.
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On August 11 2011 16:40 Fionn wrote: Only a few terrans don't 1-1-1 vs P. Optimus, Bomber, Keen. Any others?
IIRC bomber used it against MC to knock him to up/down matches last season.
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In this episode of the GSL, Moletrap teaches Wolf about the Jews.
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On August 11 2011 16:42 Serpico wrote: Protoss all ins with voids. fine terran punishes them. imba.
I don't think you quite understand what the state of TvP is right now ;D
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On August 11 2011 16:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:41 Truefire wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 Fionn wrote: Only a few terrans don't 1-1-1 vs P. Optimus, Bomber, Keen. Any others? Bomber's done this multiple times vs MC pretty sure bomber's only done it once to MC feel free to prove me wrong though That's my recollection as well. To the above poster, Polt used this build during the super tourney, so he's off your list. We're down to Keen...
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On August 11 2011 16:40 BandonBanshee wrote: Everyone is going to ignore Tasiderps obvious mistakes and blindly QQ Here it comes nah, he made some mistakes, i dono why he went blink in game 2, but in game 3 he's obviously just feeling hopeless and went for an all in.
but the fact is that yoda actually made worse mistakes game 2 and was blind countered... and it didn't matter
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On August 11 2011 16:44 MrCon wrote: Yesterday I was talking how P should blind 3 gate void to counter this TT. It was a 2 gates here, right ? But still. The best way is what he did in game 2 imo.
The two ways I've beaten this build is phoenix or 1 base colossi. I know 1 gate expand is supposed to be the "proper" non-gimmicky way but I don't have the micro to do it that way. Plus these Terrans are getting better at positioning the build. It seems stronger than I remember it.
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On August 11 2011 16:41 GGPope wrote: 1/1/1 isn't unstoppable, but the reactions from some of the players towards the all-in is really dodgy...attacking way too early, using poor unit compositions, making bad engagements...this all-in can be held, but I feel like players haven't learnt a really refined response to it yet.
It's still pretty god damn strong though...
this guys train almost everyday. you seriously dont think they know it is coming? I bet they know it is coming when they see the gas. you think they never try to hold this during training with different types of unit composition?
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On August 11 2011 16:41 GreatHate wrote: Balance aside, 1-1-1 is so boring to watch and has been since GSL season 1 a year ago.
This is the scary bit, 1 base Terran is turning the clock back 1 year and we are seeing these SVC all ins. Its terrible to watch and to be honest relies on little skill.
This could kill SC2 as a spectator sport
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Toss all-ined, but pulled back to expand, terran is all-in, no expansion, terran has more units he should win
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On August 11 2011 16:39 SxYSpAz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:36 untilMay wrote: Jesus you guys are acting like whiny bitches. Yes it is hard to beat and yes it's unfair that you have a race that can do pretty much polar builds against you and making you the reactive race. Yes it can be beat. Tassadar did a poor job of trying to defend that. o it can? show me someone reacting to this with a standard build and a vod. I have no problem being reactive, i love reacting. What i don't like is something i can't react to. so if you aren't just talking out your ass then link me to a vod. i think there could be a solution, but there isn't one as of right now There is not way to beat this going standard "3 gate expo" or "2gate robo" (I'm assuming this is standard?) Tho I've played people where I said " okay going for this 1-1-1" and they won by going fast chargelot/archon/storm. However I feel like i did a poor job that game o_o. It is hard to win against and don't get me wrong, I personally feel it is pretty unfair to have a strat that is a polar opposite from standard play, almost forcing you to play standard.
I don't use this, learned it for curiosity, because I feel playing standard is the most rewarding.
The reason I comment on people whining is because I've noticed since Lo3 today/yesterday that SC2 community is extremely whiny and I'm scared :p, mostly because I want the SC/2 community to be perfect~!
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On August 11 2011 16:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:43 tuho12345 wrote:On August 11 2011 16:41 taLbuk wrote: Just as Zergs cried over stupid protoss builds, they eventually learned to deal with them, the same will happen with Protoss, so stop filling LR threads with bullshit balance complaints. bullshit, without infestor buff, Zerg can't never beat that!!! lol this is true i fucking hate it when people pull out the "zerg figured out how to deal with x" THEY DIDN'T THEY GOT BUFFED jesus christ there's a difference zergs figuered out that they needed to cry enough, protosses are doing it too!
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protoss fails all in and does worst possible follow up Terran pushes them. imba.
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On August 11 2011 16:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:41 Truefire wrote:On August 11 2011 16:40 Fionn wrote: Only a few terrans don't 1-1-1 vs P. Optimus, Bomber, Keen. Any others? Bomber's done this multiple times vs MC pretty sure bomber's only done it once to MC feel free to prove me wrong though
At least twice, once in Dreamhack and once in the GSL, both on Xel'Naga, if I recally correctly.
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Lets be honest guys. Tassadar got a free by from the first round. JYP be our new FD.
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On August 11 2011 16:45 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 16:42 Serpico wrote: Protoss all ins with voids. fine terran punishes them. imba. I don't think you quite understand what the state of TvP is right now ;D I think you dont understand how often people bitch about imbalances without trying to figure out a counter. Zergs did the same thing, toss players know how it feels now. Keep the tears flowing.
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The only protoss that have a chance of advancing are those that don't play against terran.
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On August 11 2011 16:44 Engore wrote:I know right?? So much for no balance whine in LR's lol. so much for having moderators
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