Blizz EU Invite - Day 2 - Page 278

On August 08 2011 02:56 VENDIZ wrote:


LOL! I thought I was the only one who had watched that show.. (It's fucking brilliant)!

"It is I, LeClair!"

On August 08 2011 03:20 Encrypto wrote:
Why can I not see any of these streams?! They just don't work.

On August 08 2011 03:23 inverted9114 wrote:

I can see the other streams just not the eu inv for some reason. i cant access own3d.tv at all. was working fine yesterday :/

On August 08 2011 02:51 Talin wrote:


I know what you're thinking of, but I think that ZvP block may be a thing of the past. Not only because of the overall performances today, but because of the confidence in his economic openings, and the way he seems to have an exact plan for everything Protoss comes up (even when it doesn't get executed or doesn't work out).

Multitasking and forcing opponents to multitask has made the most difference for Ret in the last month or so imo. And Protoss players are usually more hurt by that than Terrans are.

This is also why Nani seemed to play worse than usual - I'm pretty sure that if I rewatch his recent PvZs he didn't have to deal with a similar style of play. I can't think of many Zerg players who were this active with their units and kinda fluid in their play.

On August 08 2011 02:40 Beyonder wrote:

Actually, I think ret himself would disagree with you there, his zvp isnt actually that impressive. It might sound strange after these games, but normally he has a mental block on that match up. Naniwa kind of played bad :o Of course Ret played well, but what you said is not really true.

Now, to remain on topic, he is of course the best non korean gamer (because huk is korean, idra is in a slump, sen is kind of korean, jinro has been korean forever, and naniwa and thorzain are moving to korea so they will be koreans soon too)

On August 08 2011 04:17 TheHova wrote:


I don't think it's only the fact that he's gotten over a mental block. The whole meta game has shifted. When Ret was struggling against Protoss. Protoss had a lot of things that Zergs hadn't figured out how to counter/deal with him effectively. But most top Zergs have figured these things out now and it's actually Protoss behind in the match up, they're now the race that need to sit at the drawing board and figure things out. Ret's just doing what he's learnt and should be doing very well. Which is great to see. So not only has he gotten a ton better in general in the match up. But his strategies are so much better than before because of how the game has shifted.

As for who the best Zerg is, all i can say is I wish people would stop making guesses and assumptions at the end of every tournament over who the best player of X race and X region is.

On August 08 2011 04:12 imareaver3 wrote:
Made a spoiler-free reppack!

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On August 08 2011 04:38 Orzabal wrote:


How did you get the replays ??

On August 08 2011 04:35 hifriend wrote:

Funny how the development of pvz practically mirrors sc:bw.

Zerg fast expands and it's generally held that protoss can't do that safely ->

Protoss desperately tries to do 1 base timings in order to cripple the zerg and prevent them from getting econ advantages early game ->

Zerg figures out how to scout and defend the common one base timings ->

Protoss eventually starts fast expanding (forge expand, 3 gate sentry expand) ->

Zergs desperately try to break the protosses with roach/ling timings or very early roach rushes (hydra breaks/mass ling in bw) ->

Protoss figures out how to defend these and has a period of good econ focused openings ->

Zergs start double expanding rather than busting the protoss expands, but the precautionary measures protoss have to apply in order to defend roach/ling busts are still in place

And maybe that's where we're at now. If things keep progressing similarly to how they did in brood war, the next step would be some sort of equivalence to the fast expand into archon/speedlot +1 timings, which was a push designed to punish a quick third before the macro advantage has kicked in properly.