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On August 08 2011 02:56 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:12 Rustug wrote: "You zwill zell uzz where you've hidden the picture of the fallen Madonna witz the big boobiezz" *allo allo reference. LOL! I thought I was the only one who had watched that show.. (It's fucking brilliant)! "It is I, LeClair!"
great show! <3
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Why can I not see any of these streams?! They just don't work.
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Players can fall off rankings you know.
Just cause Idra was once the best foreigner, doesn't make him forever best.
with tournament wins and better placing, there will be shifts in ranking.
Using a 2010 tournament result doesn't validate a players current rank.
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On August 08 2011 03:20 Encrypto wrote: Why can I not see any of these streams?! They just don't work. I can see the other streams just not the eu inv for some reason. i cant access own3d.tv at all. was working fine yesterday :/
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Looks like the stream is down
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On August 08 2011 03:23 inverted9114 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:20 Encrypto wrote: Why can I not see any of these streams?! They just don't work. I can see the other streams just not the eu inv for some reason. i cant access own3d.tv at all. was working fine yesterday :/
Exactly, same here. I can't even watch the official Blizzard one either.
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Beyonder
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are the vods on the blizz official site working for anyone?
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It's a good thing the finals ended so quickly. There's a massive storm over Warsaw right now and it would be a pain to trawl through it for everyone here.
Thanks again Ret, for a great finale and saving your children from the storm!
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very nice event Thank you Blizzard 2,4h deley at first day was O_O and place was 2 small, after you went piss you coulndt get back cause there were milion ppl waiting to get in and place was totaly full with ppl on stairs etc so after you went toilet = event was over for me 
Do it more in Poland Pick bigger place next time plz
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Made a spoiler-free reppack!
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I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.
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On August 08 2011 02:51 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:40 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:38 msjakofsky wrote:On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote: Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments. Actually, I think ret himself would disagree with you there, his zvp isnt actually that impressive. It might sound strange after these games, but normally he has a mental block on that match up. Naniwa kind of played bad :o Of course Ret played well, but what you said is not really true. I know what you're thinking of, but I think that ZvP block may be a thing of the past. Not only because of the overall performances today, but because of the confidence in his economic openings, and the way he seems to have an exact plan for everything Protoss comes up (even when it doesn't get executed or doesn't work out). Multitasking and forcing opponents to multitask has made the most difference for Ret in the last month or so imo. And Protoss players are usually more hurt by that than Terrans are. This is also why Nani seemed to play worse than usual - I'm pretty sure that if I rewatch his recent PvZs he didn't have to deal with a similar style of play. I can't think of many Zerg players who were this active with their units and kinda fluid in their play.
I don't think it's only the fact that he's gotten over a mental block. The whole meta game has shifted. When Ret was struggling against Protoss. Protoss had a lot of things that Zergs hadn't figured out how to counter/deal with him effectively. But most top Zergs have figured these things out now and it's actually Protoss behind in the match up, they're now the race that need to sit at the drawing board and figure things out. Ret's just doing what he's learnt and should be doing very well. Which is great to see. So not only has he gotten a ton better in general in the match up. But his strategies are so much better than before because of how the game has shifted.
As for who the best Zerg is, all i can say is I wish people would stop making guesses and assumptions at the end of every tournament over who the best player of X race and X region is.
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Introducing: TSOHMAN'S LAW
In any long discussion (spanning at least 3 pages of posts) on teamliquid, the chance of references to Idra approach 1.
Want proof? Search TL for Idra... This thread is another sad example.
Idra,Idra,Idra,Idra,Idra
What is it that you love so much about him that you must mention him everytime, everywhere? Humans are funny.
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On August 08 2011 02:40 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:38 msjakofsky wrote:On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote: Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments. Actually, I think ret himself would disagree with you there, his zvp isnt actually that impressive. It might sound strange after these games, but normally he has a mental block on that match up. Naniwa kind of played bad :o Of course Ret played well, but what you said is not really true. Now, to remain on topic, he is of course the best non korean gamer (because huk is korean, idra is in a slump, sen is kind of korean, jinro has been korean forever, and naniwa and thorzain are moving to korea so they will be koreans soon too) Also Ret's vT and vZ are mad sick. He was by far the most impressive foreigner against the Korean Terrans at MLG. I think Ret just has a good understanding if the current Zerg matchups. His drone timings were so good and, to me, right now playing Zerg well is all about understanding when you aren't at risk of dying and squeezing out as many drones as you can.
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On August 08 2011 04:17 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:51 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:40 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:38 msjakofsky wrote:On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote: Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments. Actually, I think ret himself would disagree with you there, his zvp isnt actually that impressive. It might sound strange after these games, but normally he has a mental block on that match up. Naniwa kind of played bad :o Of course Ret played well, but what you said is not really true. I know what you're thinking of, but I think that ZvP block may be a thing of the past. Not only because of the overall performances today, but because of the confidence in his economic openings, and the way he seems to have an exact plan for everything Protoss comes up (even when it doesn't get executed or doesn't work out). Multitasking and forcing opponents to multitask has made the most difference for Ret in the last month or so imo. And Protoss players are usually more hurt by that than Terrans are. This is also why Nani seemed to play worse than usual - I'm pretty sure that if I rewatch his recent PvZs he didn't have to deal with a similar style of play. I can't think of many Zerg players who were this active with their units and kinda fluid in their play. I don't think it's only the fact that he's gotten over a mental block. The whole meta game has shifted. When Ret was struggling against Protoss. Protoss had a lot of things that Zergs hadn't figured out how to counter/deal with him effectively. But most top Zergs have figured these things out now and it's actually Protoss behind in the match up, they're now the race that need to sit at the drawing board and figure things out. Ret's just doing what he's learnt and should be doing very well. Which is great to see. So not only has he gotten a ton better in general in the match up. But his strategies are so much better than before because of how the game has shifted. As for who the best Zerg is, all i can say is I wish people would stop making guesses and assumptions at the end of every tournament over who the best player of X race and X region is. Funny how the development of pvz practically mirrors sc:bw.
Zerg fast expands and it's generally held that protoss can't do that safely ->
Protoss desperately tries to do 1 base timings in order to cripple the zerg and prevent them from getting econ advantages early game ->
Zerg figures out how to scout and defend the common one base timings ->
Protoss eventually starts fast expanding (forge expand, 3 gate sentry expand) ->
Zergs desperately try to break the protosses with roach/ling timings or very early roach rushes (hydra breaks/mass ling in bw) ->
Protoss figures out how to defend these and has a period of good econ focused openings ->
Zergs start double expanding rather than busting the protoss expands, but the precautionary measures protoss have to apply in order to defend roach/ling busts are still in place
And maybe that's where we're at now. If things keep progressing similarly to how they did in brood war, the next step would be some sort of equivalence to the fast expand into archon/speedlot +1 timings, which was a push designed to punish a quick third before the macro advantage has kicked in properly.
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I just returned home today and missed it all... glad though ret won, he really deserves it :>
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On August 08 2011 04:12 imareaver3 wrote: Made a spoiler-free reppack!
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How did you get the replays ??
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On August 08 2011 04:38 Orzabal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 04:12 imareaver3 wrote: Made a spoiler-free reppack!
[url blocked] How did you get the replays ??
I downloaded them from the link conveniently provided in the OP...
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On August 08 2011 04:35 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 04:17 TheHova wrote:On August 08 2011 02:51 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:40 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:38 msjakofsky wrote:On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote: Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments. Actually, I think ret himself would disagree with you there, his zvp isnt actually that impressive. It might sound strange after these games, but normally he has a mental block on that match up. Naniwa kind of played bad :o Of course Ret played well, but what you said is not really true. I know what you're thinking of, but I think that ZvP block may be a thing of the past. Not only because of the overall performances today, but because of the confidence in his economic openings, and the way he seems to have an exact plan for everything Protoss comes up (even when it doesn't get executed or doesn't work out). Multitasking and forcing opponents to multitask has made the most difference for Ret in the last month or so imo. And Protoss players are usually more hurt by that than Terrans are. This is also why Nani seemed to play worse than usual - I'm pretty sure that if I rewatch his recent PvZs he didn't have to deal with a similar style of play. I can't think of many Zerg players who were this active with their units and kinda fluid in their play. I don't think it's only the fact that he's gotten over a mental block. The whole meta game has shifted. When Ret was struggling against Protoss. Protoss had a lot of things that Zergs hadn't figured out how to counter/deal with him effectively. But most top Zergs have figured these things out now and it's actually Protoss behind in the match up, they're now the race that need to sit at the drawing board and figure things out. Ret's just doing what he's learnt and should be doing very well. Which is great to see. So not only has he gotten a ton better in general in the match up. But his strategies are so much better than before because of how the game has shifted. As for who the best Zerg is, all i can say is I wish people would stop making guesses and assumptions at the end of every tournament over who the best player of X race and X region is. Funny how the development of pvz practically mirrors sc:bw. Zerg fast expands and it's generally held that protoss can't do that safely -> Protoss desperately tries to do 1 base timings in order to cripple the zerg and prevent them from getting econ advantages early game -> Zerg figures out how to scout and defend the common one base timings -> Protoss eventually starts fast expanding (forge expand, 3 gate sentry expand) -> Zergs desperately try to break the protosses with roach/ling timings or very early roach rushes (hydra breaks/mass ling in bw) -> Protoss figures out how to defend these and has a period of good econ focused openings -> Zergs start double expanding rather than busting the protoss expands, but the precautionary measures protoss have to apply in order to defend roach/ling busts are still in place And maybe that's where we're at now. If things keep progressing similarly to how they did in brood war, the next step would be some sort of equivalence to the fast expand into archon/speedlot +1 timings, which was a push designed to punish a quick third before the macro advantage has kicked in properly. Yup! Could mass sentry with +1 chargelots be an option? Or too weak vs queens/spines maybe.
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