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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 07 2011 22:30 GMT
#5581
poor NaNiWa
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 07 2011 23:00 GMT
#5582
On August 08 2011 04:15 Rokevo wrote:
I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.

You think this only because he is versing Europeans. He mentioned himself, nobodoy in Europe has the multitasking skill and harassment the koreans have, thus why Ret got OWNED at MLG. You would think ret understands zerg, but hes FAR from it if you see him verse a korean.
Saad
Profile Joined June 2011
United States50 Posts
August 07 2011 23:03 GMT
#5583
Congrats to Ret! He was always this good.
Dang Naniwa is the new MKP :/
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
August 07 2011 23:03 GMT
#5584
I like Thorzain and Naniwa a lot, but it's good to see Ret win. He's been playing really well recently, it would suck if this 'high' passed without a big win.
dcp
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom45 Posts
August 07 2011 23:05 GMT
#5585
good event, enjoyed watching all the games )

grats to ret!
"Me fail English? That’s unpossible!"
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
August 07 2011 23:12 GMT
#5586
Naniwa joins the Kong line =D he is always second (except for MLG :p) Congrats to Ret! Awesome to see him in fine form amongst some of the best in Europe - a really top player.

On August 08 2011 08:00 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 04:15 Rokevo wrote:
I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.

You think this only because he is versing Europeans. He mentioned himself, nobodoy in Europe has the multitasking skill and harassment the koreans have, thus why Ret got OWNED at MLG. You would think ret understands zerg, but hes FAR from it if you see him verse a korean.

I wouldn't say he completely owned at MLG; he lost to the Koreans but that goes for every foreigner. Not having the multitasking ability is completely different to an understanding of the race. Ret does understand zerg, he does play it the way it is meant to be played - this is not the first time this has been mentioned. Just because he doesn't win every single game does not negate this fact.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
HinagikUx
Profile Joined January 2011
United States178 Posts
August 07 2011 23:15 GMT
#5587
are the vods not working for some ppl?
uGpTaiga/HinagikUx NA Server
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 07 2011 23:16 GMT
#5588
On August 08 2011 08:00 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 04:15 Rokevo wrote:
I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.

You think this only because he is versing Europeans. He mentioned himself, nobodoy in Europe has the multitasking skill and harassment the koreans have, thus why Ret got OWNED at MLG. You would think ret understands zerg, but hes FAR from it if you see him verse a korean.

Pretty much everyone is "FAR from it" when they play vs koreans.
Congrats to ret on a pretty big win hopefully more to come in the future : D
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 07 2011 23:18 GMT
#5589
Ret/Dimaga/Sen are top foreigner zergs atm, I would say Ret is the best after this win and the play he showed but I wouldn't argue too hard against either sen or dimaga.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 07 2011 23:28 GMT
#5590
On August 08 2011 08:00 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 04:15 Rokevo wrote:
I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.

You think this only because he is versing Europeans. He mentioned himself, nobodoy in Europe has the multitasking skill and harassment the koreans have, thus why Ret got OWNED at MLG. You would think ret understands zerg, but hes FAR from it if you see him verse a korean.


The thing is only the top Koreans are at BW-level multitasking. Your run-of-the-mill low Code S and most Code A players aren't that good at multitasking at all. Especially the Protoss.

Ret played Ganzi and MMA at MLG, and both of them had a Zerg-sniper build prepared (for DRG who has a similar playstyle), so that was pretty hopeless for him from the start.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 07 2011 23:30 GMT
#5591
On August 08 2011 08:12 bkrow wrote:
Naniwa joins the Kong line =D he is always second (except for MLG :p) Congrats to Ret! Awesome to see him in fine form amongst some of the best in Europe - a really top player.


A royal roader can't be in the kong line as far as my understanding of the terminology goes.

(MLG was Nani's first live event iirc)
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
August 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#5592
replays released so fast o.O yay blizz :D
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
August 07 2011 23:48 GMT
#5593
On August 08 2011 02:27 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:24 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:20 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:18 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:15 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:11 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:09 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:08 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:06 sickoota wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:05 soulist wrote:
[quote]

He's been to a lot of tournaments???? WHAT. All he does is MLG and IPL. What tournaments does he go to???????

Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them.


He won MLG DC and got 4th at MLG Columbus.

DC was quite a bit ago cmon, ret won assembly last winter but that doesnt tell us about his shape now?


He's the one who brought up every MLG.

I think winning one is a notable performance.

4th place isn't something to sneeze at either, considering the top 3 were Koreans and this thread is talking about foreigners.

not sure what to answer, so you think that to see how good a player is now we should look at all the results they had? that's nonsense currently players like dimaga and ret step it up winning in very hard competitions vs top players , if Idra does the same he can be considered again among the best no problem;) not saying he's bad by any means , just saying that right now he's not equal with other top zergs


In this particular conversation I'm not even discussing "how good is IdrA?"

I'm correcting an incorrect statement:

Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them.

This statement simply isn't true. It's factually false.


ye he had a top 4 two MLGs ago, gratz


You're completely clueless, gratz.
top 12 at anaheim? :S am i missing something as of late?


How is it not notable to place 4th when the 3 ppl above you are all koreans? Let's say the recently added korean invite system wouldn't be in play that MLG, IdrA would have had a big shot of winning it seeing as he placed highest out of all the foreigners, isn't that a "notable performance"?
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
August 07 2011 23:56 GMT
#5594
On August 08 2011 08:28 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 08:00 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 08 2011 04:15 Rokevo wrote:
I love watching Ret play. He really understands Zerg and play's it the way Zerg is supposed to be played. At least thats how I feel When I watch Ret.

You think this only because he is versing Europeans. He mentioned himself, nobodoy in Europe has the multitasking skill and harassment the koreans have, thus why Ret got OWNED at MLG. You would think ret understands zerg, but hes FAR from it if you see him verse a korean.


The thing is only the top Koreans are at BW-level multitasking. Your run-of-the-mill low Code S and most Code A players aren't that good at multitasking at all. Especially the Protoss.

Ret played Ganzi and MMA at MLG, and both of them had a Zerg-sniper build prepared (for DRG who has a similar playstyle), so that was pretty hopeless for him from the start.


No, it was hopeless for him because he drones way too hard and gets caught by aggressive timing pushes. I think every loss of Rets I've seen has him being pushed when he doesn't expect it and having most of his larvae spent on drones. Ret plays extremely risky, it's either "I'm going to have a massive economic advantage and win or you`re going to push when I'm trying to drone and I lose". The Korean terran players play extremely aggressive against zerg (the way they should) and don't allow you to just drone up unimpeded, which was the problem for Ret. Nothing to do with the multi-tasking skill (except their micro does help to keep the units alive extra long), it's just that they don't allow zerg to sit and do as they please.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 07 2011 23:59 GMT
#5595
As much as I like Ret, I still don't understand how you can place him ahead of Idra. The only argument I see (and it's a flimsy one) is that Ret beat Naniwa twice, who was able to down Idra. But other than that... Idra has finished above Ret regularly everywhere (including the last two MLGs, most notably), and is doing better than Ret so far in the IPL.

I definitely see a strong argument that Sen is better though (and a very flimsy one, albeit arguable, for Dimaga).

Personally I think it's

1) Sen
2) Idra
2a/3) Dimaga
4) Ret
5) Morrow

And then Sheth/Nerchio/etc. a bit behind that...
shizi
Profile Joined February 2008
United States210 Posts
August 08 2011 00:01 GMT
#5596
sen
ret
dimaga
idra
Dikkbutt
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden193 Posts
August 08 2011 00:28 GMT
#5597
On August 08 2011 08:59 FairForever wrote:
As much as I like Ret, I still don't understand how you can place him ahead of Idra. The only argument I see (and it's a flimsy one) is that Ret beat Naniwa twice, who was able to down Idra. But other than that... Idra has finished above Ret regularly everywhere (including the last two MLGs, most notably), and is doing better than Ret so far in the IPL.



Ret and Idra finished at the same spot in MLG anaheim.
howdy
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 08 2011 00:28 GMT
#5598
On August 08 2011 08:59 FairForever wrote:
But other than that... Idra has finished above Ret regularly everywhere (including the last two MLGs, most notably), and is doing better than Ret so far in the IPL.


I can't see how are those two actual arguments though.

Anaheim scenario: Idra has by far the easiest group and gets knocked out by Nani. Ret has a much harder group and gets knocked out by Ganzi. How is that an argument in favor of Idra?

IPL2 scenario: Idra played Drewbie, Minigun and moonan to get where he is. Ret played Select in the first round and Socke in the LB (and will play Fenix tonight). Again, how is Idra doing better here? His side of the bracket is basically a free ride for a player of his (alleged) level.

Don't bring up bare results without mentioning the circumstances.

Let me finish this off with:
Ret - 2 major LAN titles in 2011.
Sen - 0
Idra - 1 (only in 2010)
Dimaga - 1

GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
August 08 2011 00:34 GMT
#5599
Awesome Ret
Maybe now he will start to show more of the great results everyone thinks he is capable of.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 08 2011 00:34 GMT
#5600
On August 08 2011 09:28 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 08:59 FairForever wrote:
But other than that... Idra has finished above Ret regularly everywhere (including the last two MLGs, most notably), and is doing better than Ret so far in the IPL.


I can't see how are those two actual arguments though.

Anaheim scenario: Idra has by far the easiest group and gets knocked out by Nani. Ret has a much harder group and gets knocked out by Ganzi. How is that an argument in favor of Idra?

IPL2 scenario: Idra played Drewbie, Minigun and moonan to get where he is. Ret played Select in the first round and Socke in the LB (and will play Fenix tonight). Again, how is Idra doing better here? His side of the bracket is basically a free ride for a player of his (alleged) level.

Don't bring up bare results without mentioning the circumstances.

Let me finish this off with:
Ret - 2 major LAN titles in 2011.
Sen - 0
Idra - 1 (only in 2010)
Dimaga - 1



I'm not going to bother arguing with the guy who thinks that employers are okay to withhold wages from employees who have already worked that time...

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