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On August 08 2011 02:26 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:19 TheKefka wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 TeWy wrote:On August 08 2011 02:05 TheKefka wrote:On August 08 2011 02:03 TeWy wrote:On August 08 2011 01:46 Bliznako wrote:On August 08 2011 01:43 sleepingdog wrote:We need more PvZ early all-ins to change the metagame. This is ridiculous  Exactly my thoughts... Unlike terrans, protoss players seem to have stopped doing the one base all ins or early pressure, allowing zergs to start with three bases (?), droning up to 60+ drones in the first few minutes. I totally cannot understand this trend. Ret was playing the same style few months ago and was blown away in Korea by early pàressure, always overdroning being his doom and now the same style reaps rewards. And please don't tell me how much he has improved - Ret has always been a macro beast, looks like his time has come. I can't make a 4 gate work against Zerg in Master league, so I've great doubts that it will ever work at this level. Protoss simply can't put pressure on the Zerg, and Zerg have figured out that these voidray/phoenixes harass were easily shut down by a few spore crawlers. So what can you do as Protoss ? Random timing pushes still occasionaly work though. Sad thing is that they it relies entirely on Zerg mistakes. Btw with the exception of MLG (dominated by Korean Terrans), every recent tournaments have been won by Zerg: GSL code S, WCG China, Assembly, now blizzcon, and btw one of the finalist of the current GO4SC2 is a Zerg as well (second might also be Zerg). And the most depressing is that you can't blame the infestors for that... It's more due to the fact that Zerg players learned how to use their lategame units and repell the timing pushes... That's what I have been saying for months now,only difference is I think the lack of 1 base play for P against zerg comes from the warpgate nerf(4 gate) which was the only real 1 base play you could do against zerg  Now we have....umm well.....cannons i guess. I would much rather have a macro spell which matches inject larvae in a macro game rather than being able to pull out gimmicky 1 base blind all-in. That was not my point.It was the fear of a possible 1 base allin that kept zergs from mass expanding and droning. Even if you would revert he WG upgrade to what it was, it wouldn't have much incidence on the issue of Zerg macro. Zerg used to lose macro games against Protoss because of stupid mistake they simply don't do anymore. When was the last time you saw a pro Zerg losing his 3rd due to DT ? Or not having 1 single sporecrawlers after the first voidray of Protoss ? This was happening a lot before, even on GSL code S. There simply never was a safe way to put pressure on the Zerg, not relying on Zerg mistakes, which is the key problem. 4 Gate all-in for Protoss is extremly risky and was already starting to fade off before the nerf.
I disagree,to say that Zerg lost games against Protoss only because of stupid positioning mistakes is laughable.
If you take a look at the obvious mentality of zerg a month or 2 ago,they were sighing every time they played a protoss and got rolled over by a 4gate or 6 gate.They even developed a fast burrow/tuneling claws build to exactly counter these builds,which sacrificed economy in order to stay alive,they held crisis meeting on how to scout this shit.
Fear is everything when you play against a zerg.If they don't fear anything sometimes it gets to a point where it goes into your favor and you roll them over with a nice timing because they are just too greedy,but more often then not they will get to 50 drones before your warpgate even finishes and they will just crank out units and lol at a 1 or 2 base allin/pressure.
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On August 08 2011 02:28 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:27 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Zzoram wrote:
I'm worried about Ret's Code A game since it's PvZ. I hope he has a good Zerg training partner. Can we officially move the topic of discussion on Ret's protoss skills now? Best protoss foreigner imo (because huk is Korean) Ret is clearly korean too, considering he lived there for a while.
Nooo. You just killed this thread.
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On August 08 2011 02:31 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:28 Zane wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 02:27 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Zzoram wrote:
I'm worried about Ret's Code A game since it's PvZ. I hope he has a good Zerg training partner. Can we officially move the topic of discussion on Ret's protoss skills now? Best protoss foreigner imo (because huk is Korean) Ret is clearly korean too, considering he lived there for a while. Of course Ret's korean, why are we even discussing this? Yup, Koreanism is contagious, you spend some time playing Starcraft there and it's done man. But that would make Artosis Korean as well, and that just doesn't work out well.
Artosis it's coach of team USA so yeah ...
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On August 08 2011 02:29 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:28 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Baituri wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:19 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 02:14 Whole wrote:
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is winning really the only significant thing? How else are you gonna measure success? Losing? Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate Should Naniwa get a reality check too? He didn't look like the guy who just won. You make him sound like his the incarnation of some sun God. Maybe he is indeed to hard on himself? Actually Naniwa already thinks high of himself, he is just a bit sad he did not place first, but really, he is a winner and Im sure he knows this as well. What about MarineKing then? He seems to be taking it rather hard as well. Maybe you need to reconsider your stance on that. Yes, second place is a good ranking for an up and coming player, and such a player will be reasonably happy about placing second in a big tournament. And even that's not always the case, as we've seen with MMA in the super tournament. For people who want to and are expected to win trophies? No fucking way. Not even close. They feel awful, and it's normal that they do. In some ways it's the worst ranking they can get. yes then they need a reality check Just because you are not motivated in the thing you do and are happy with a 2nd place does not mean someone else needs a reality check. Some people just want to get the most out of themselves and be the best at something. Some people have ambition and will do anything to reach their goal. Please don't post such stupid things. Are you telling me that you are not motivated if you are happy with a second place, whilst aiming for first? Yes? If you aim for the top and fail you should be sad/mad. It has happened many times for naniwa these last 6 months so i understand him being sad after coming short at the finish line every time. Do people in hockey / football look happy when they loose the finals?
Way to live life, be sad, be extremely hard on yourself if you do not do not place first. Boxer is a winner in my eyes, yet he has not placed first in SC2 yet. He is of course disappointed if he loses an important match, but there really is no need to beat yourself down for it.
Naniwa is a winner in my eyes, you can be as delusional as you want about it. Im done with this, gonna play some SC2 while you are too afraid too play, cause your not a professional rank1 player. Have fun beating your life to shit with that internal dialog you have.
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On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote:
Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome.
i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo
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On August 08 2011 02:32 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:31 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:27 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:20 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:18 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:11 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:09 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:08 MrSexington wrote:
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He won MLG DC and got 4th at MLG Columbus. DC was quite a bit ago cmon, ret won assembly last winter but that doesnt tell us about his shape now? He's the one who brought up every MLG. I think winning one is a notable performance. 4th place isn't something to sneeze at either, considering the top 3 were Koreans and this thread is talking about foreigners. not sure what to answer, so you think that to see how good a player is now we should look at all the results they had? that's nonsense currently players like dimaga and ret step it up winning in very hard competitions vs top players , if Idra does the same he can be considered again among the best no problem;) not saying he's bad by any means , just saying that right now he's not equal with other top zergs In this particular conversation I'm not even discussing "how good is IdrA?" I'm correcting an incorrect statement: Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them.This statement simply isn't true. It's factually false. ye he had a top 4 two MLGs ago, gratz You're completely clueless, gratz. top 12 at anaheim? :S am i missing something as of late? In summary: darlhet: The world is flat! Me: Actually, the world is a sphere. darlhet: IdrA isn't nearly as good as Ret, Sen, or Dimaga! Me: I didn't say he was. darlhet: Am I missing something????? Not really, youre just arguing over the definition of "notable". Some may not call not getting top 3 notable.
This.
And also, factual rankings in themselves aren't good enough to call performance a notable one.
Depending on the quality of games and in-game performances shown, bracket, etc even a high ranking finish may be either notable or just circumstantial (Inca, Rain etc).
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On August 08 2011 02:32 dubRa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:28 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 02:27 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Zzoram wrote:
I'm worried about Ret's Code A game since it's PvZ. I hope he has a good Zerg training partner. Can we officially move the topic of discussion on Ret's protoss skills now? Best protoss foreigner imo (because huk is Korean) Ret is clearly korean too, considering he lived there for a while. Nooo. You just killed this thread.
It was dead long ago/
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On August 08 2011 02:30 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:28 Robinsa wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Jibba wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 soulist wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 02:14 Whole wrote:On August 08 2011 02:12 hifriend wrote:On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret. LOL Wtf has idra won.. ever? I mean yeah he won an early MLG (before koreans and europeans even attended) and that all american 16 player invite tournament.. but that's it. Winning this and assembly makes ret a bigger player in terms of accomplishment, but he's also a whole lot better just looking at performance right now. is winning really the only significant thing? How else are you gonna measure success? Losing? Consistency. Learn it, Read it, Love it. It will get you somewhere He won Winter Assembly and has also had pretty good showings at every MLG this season, as well as having a great NASL season. Ret hasn't played in that much, but you can't call him inconsistent. o.o I feel like Ret always has been a very mood dependent player and sometimes lose focus for extended periods of times and therefore drop in skill level. I think thats why some people call him inconsistent. Well, he sometimes makes very sloppy mistakes, especially with unit control, but that happened this tournament as well.
Yeah but I meant more like towards the end and after his korea stay when he was hardly playing at all and had very little motivation. And when he actually played he didnt perform well wich made him lose interest in the game even more.
Again, it might not be what you mean by inconsistent but I think thats what a lot of people were refering to.
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On August 08 2011 02:31 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:27 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:20 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:18 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:11 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:09 darlhet wrote:On August 08 2011 02:08 MrSexington wrote:On August 08 2011 02:06 sickoota wrote:
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Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them. He won MLG DC and got 4th at MLG Columbus. DC was quite a bit ago cmon, ret won assembly last winter but that doesnt tell us about his shape now? He's the one who brought up every MLG. I think winning one is a notable performance. 4th place isn't something to sneeze at either, considering the top 3 were Koreans and this thread is talking about foreigners. not sure what to answer, so you think that to see how good a player is now we should look at all the results they had? that's nonsense currently players like dimaga and ret step it up winning in very hard competitions vs top players , if Idra does the same he can be considered again among the best no problem;) not saying he's bad by any means , just saying that right now he's not equal with other top zergs In this particular conversation I'm not even discussing "how good is IdrA?" I'm correcting an incorrect statement: Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them.This statement simply isn't true. It's factually false. ye he had a top 4 two MLGs ago, gratz You're completely clueless, gratz. top 12 at anaheim? :S am i missing something as of late? In summary: darlhet: The world is flat! Me: Actually, the world is a sphere. darlhet: IdrA isn't nearly as good as Ret, Sen, or Dimaga! Me: I didn't say he was. darlhet: Am I missing something?????
yep the discussion was about world's flatness and since you agree idra is currently a little bit behind ret sen and dimaga i guess we can end this conversation here 
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On August 08 2011 02:31 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:28 Zane wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 02:27 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Zzoram wrote:
I'm worried about Ret's Code A game since it's PvZ. I hope he has a good Zerg training partner. Can we officially move the topic of discussion on Ret's protoss skills now? Best protoss foreigner imo (because huk is Korean) Ret is clearly korean too, considering he lived there for a while. Of course Ret's korean, why are we even discussing this? Yup, Koreanism is contagious, you spend some time playing Starcraft there and it's done man. But that would make Artosis Korean as well, and that just doesn't work out well.
Artosis is totally a Korean Protoss. It's just lag, man. He totally would've beasted NASL if it wasn't for KR/NA lag. ;-)
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On August 08 2011 02:33 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:29 thirnaz wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Baituri wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:19 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 zeru wrote:
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How else are you gonna measure success? Losing? Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate Should Naniwa get a reality check too? He didn't look like the guy who just won. You make him sound like his the incarnation of some sun God. Maybe he is indeed to hard on himself? Actually Naniwa already thinks high of himself, he is just a bit sad he did not place first, but really, he is a winner and Im sure he knows this as well. What about MarineKing then? He seems to be taking it rather hard as well. Maybe you need to reconsider your stance on that. Yes, second place is a good ranking for an up and coming player, and such a player will be reasonably happy about placing second in a big tournament. And even that's not always the case, as we've seen with MMA in the super tournament. For people who want to and are expected to win trophies? No fucking way. Not even close. They feel awful, and it's normal that they do. In some ways it's the worst ranking they can get. yes then they need a reality check Just because you are not motivated in the thing you do and are happy with a 2nd place does not mean someone else needs a reality check. Some people just want to get the most out of themselves and be the best at something. Some people have ambition and will do anything to reach their goal. Please don't post such stupid things. Are you telling me that you are not motivated if you are happy with a second place, whilst aiming for first? Yes? If you aim for the top and fail you should be sad/mad. It has happened many times for naniwa these last 6 months so i understand him being sad after coming short at the finish line every time. Do people in hockey / football look happy when they loose the finals? Way to live life, be sad, be extremely hard on yourself if you do not do not place first. Boxer is a winner in my eyes, yet he has not placed first in SC2 yet. He is of course disappointed if he loses an important match, but there really is no need to beat yourself down for it. Naniwa is a winner in my eyes, you can be as delusional as you want about it. Im done with this, gonna play some SC2 while you are too afraid too play, cause your not a professional rank1 player. Have fun beating your life to shit with that internal dialog you have.
Boxer already won his championships and plays for something else now. Players like Jaedong still take loses extremely hard like Naniwa does, as do many professional athletes. When you're looking back at your career, you can be satisfied with the near-victories. It's probably better for his play that he's not doing that right now, though.
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On August 08 2011 02:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:33 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:29 thirnaz wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Baituri wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:19 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:
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Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate Should Naniwa get a reality check too? He didn't look like the guy who just won. You make him sound like his the incarnation of some sun God. Maybe he is indeed to hard on himself? Actually Naniwa already thinks high of himself, he is just a bit sad he did not place first, but really, he is a winner and Im sure he knows this as well. What about MarineKing then? He seems to be taking it rather hard as well. Maybe you need to reconsider your stance on that. Yes, second place is a good ranking for an up and coming player, and such a player will be reasonably happy about placing second in a big tournament. And even that's not always the case, as we've seen with MMA in the super tournament. For people who want to and are expected to win trophies? No fucking way. Not even close. They feel awful, and it's normal that they do. In some ways it's the worst ranking they can get. yes then they need a reality check Just because you are not motivated in the thing you do and are happy with a 2nd place does not mean someone else needs a reality check. Some people just want to get the most out of themselves and be the best at something. Some people have ambition and will do anything to reach their goal. Please don't post such stupid things. Are you telling me that you are not motivated if you are happy with a second place, whilst aiming for first? Yes? If you aim for the top and fail you should be sad/mad. It has happened many times for naniwa these last 6 months so i understand him being sad after coming short at the finish line every time. Do people in hockey / football look happy when they loose the finals? Way to live life, be sad, be extremely hard on yourself if you do not do not place first. Boxer is a winner in my eyes, yet he has not placed first in SC2 yet. He is of course disappointed if he loses an important match, but there really is no need to beat yourself down for it. Naniwa is a winner in my eyes, you can be as delusional as you want about it. Im done with this, gonna play some SC2 while you are too afraid too play, cause your not a professional rank1 player. Have fun beating your life to shit with that internal dialog you have. Boxer already won his championships and plays for something else now. Players like Jaedong still take loses extremely hard like Naniwa does, as do many professional athletes. When you're looking back at your career, you can be satisfied with the near-victories. It's probably better for his play that he's not doing that right now, though.
boxer seems to care more about his fan opinion than his actual skill
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On August 08 2011 02:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:33 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:29 thirnaz wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Baituri wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:19 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:
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Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate Should Naniwa get a reality check too? He didn't look like the guy who just won. You make him sound like his the incarnation of some sun God. Maybe he is indeed to hard on himself? Actually Naniwa already thinks high of himself, he is just a bit sad he did not place first, but really, he is a winner and Im sure he knows this as well. What about MarineKing then? He seems to be taking it rather hard as well. Maybe you need to reconsider your stance on that. Yes, second place is a good ranking for an up and coming player, and such a player will be reasonably happy about placing second in a big tournament. And even that's not always the case, as we've seen with MMA in the super tournament. For people who want to and are expected to win trophies? No fucking way. Not even close. They feel awful, and it's normal that they do. In some ways it's the worst ranking they can get. yes then they need a reality check Just because you are not motivated in the thing you do and are happy with a 2nd place does not mean someone else needs a reality check. Some people just want to get the most out of themselves and be the best at something. Some people have ambition and will do anything to reach their goal. Please don't post such stupid things. Are you telling me that you are not motivated if you are happy with a second place, whilst aiming for first? Yes? If you aim for the top and fail you should be sad/mad. It has happened many times for naniwa these last 6 months so i understand him being sad after coming short at the finish line every time. Do people in hockey / football look happy when they loose the finals? Way to live life, be sad, be extremely hard on yourself if you do not do not place first. Boxer is a winner in my eyes, yet he has not placed first in SC2 yet. He is of course disappointed if he loses an important match, but there really is no need to beat yourself down for it. Naniwa is a winner in my eyes, you can be as delusional as you want about it. Im done with this, gonna play some SC2 while you are too afraid too play, cause your not a professional rank1 player. Have fun beating your life to shit with that internal dialog you have. Boxer already won his championships and plays for something else now. Players like Jaedong still take loses extremely hard like Naniwa does, as do many professional athletes. When you're looking back at your career, you can be satisfied with the near-victories. It's probably better for his play that he's not doing that right now, though.
im curious, how did yellow use to take his losses?
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On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote:
Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo
yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa
about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments.
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On August 08 2011 02:33 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:29 thirnaz wrote:On August 08 2011 02:28 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:26 Baituri wrote:On August 08 2011 02:24 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:19 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:17 Talin wrote:On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:On August 08 2011 02:15 zeru wrote:
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How else are you gonna measure success? Losing? Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate Should Naniwa get a reality check too? He didn't look like the guy who just won. You make him sound like his the incarnation of some sun God. Maybe he is indeed to hard on himself? Actually Naniwa already thinks high of himself, he is just a bit sad he did not place first, but really, he is a winner and Im sure he knows this as well. What about MarineKing then? He seems to be taking it rather hard as well. Maybe you need to reconsider your stance on that. Yes, second place is a good ranking for an up and coming player, and such a player will be reasonably happy about placing second in a big tournament. And even that's not always the case, as we've seen with MMA in the super tournament. For people who want to and are expected to win trophies? No fucking way. Not even close. They feel awful, and it's normal that they do. In some ways it's the worst ranking they can get. yes then they need a reality check Just because you are not motivated in the thing you do and are happy with a 2nd place does not mean someone else needs a reality check. Some people just want to get the most out of themselves and be the best at something. Some people have ambition and will do anything to reach their goal. Please don't post such stupid things. Are you telling me that you are not motivated if you are happy with a second place, whilst aiming for first? Yes? If you aim for the top and fail you should be sad/mad. It has happened many times for naniwa these last 6 months so i understand him being sad after coming short at the finish line every time. Do people in hockey / football look happy when they loose the finals? Way to live life, be sad, be extremely hard on yourself if you do not do not place first. Boxer is a winner in my eyes, yet he has not placed first in SC2 yet. He is of course disappointed if he loses an important match, but there really is no need to beat yourself down for it. Naniwa is a winner in my eyes, you can be as delusional as you want about it. Im done with this, gonna play some SC2 while you are too afraid too play, cause your not a professional rank1 player. Have fun beating your life to shit with that internal dialog you have.
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On August 08 2011 02:38 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 02:33 darthfoley wrote:On August 08 2011 01:54 mokuhazushi wrote:
Naniwa loses, the crowd chants his name, Naniwa smiles. Fucking awesome. i felt as though he was awkwardly surprised and embarressed to get so much positive attention after getting 2-0'd. Not a huge fan of naniwa but it was really nice to see imo yeah i like the guy. too bad ret's zvp is pretty bonjwa. nani needs some good eu zerg training partner to be a pvz bonjwa about the idra vs ret dispute, it's apples and oranges- idra's vT and vZ is more bonjwa while ret's vP is more bonjwa. but honestly, both of them are lesser players now than Huk, it seems you really need some korean training to bonjwa better in these tournaments.
i dont get if this guy is trolling or he's serious :S still trying to figure out
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