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Try to keep it positive in the thread please. And stop hating on other games! Respect and show everyone how awesome TL is :D |
On August 07 2011 03:04 Jakkerr wrote:lol If u guys want a good laugh while waiting for the next match: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505100589That's the tourney topic for WoW. They are furious that Blizzard is deciding to broadcast SC2 only over WoW :p
Nice find.
"I haven't decided what I find worse yet: the fact that we get music rather than 3v3 arena, or just the music itself."
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On August 07 2011 03:04 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 02:59 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 07 2011 02:57 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 Sina92 wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:53 Cognizance wrote:
2 Orbitals = 2 contsant MULEs = ~8 constant extra SCVs But isn't that meant to make up for chronoboost on probes? If Terran didn't have mules they'd always be behind tvp wouldn't they? No actually they would be on an equal level. And for your information, 2 mules = 12 SCVs (1 mule = 6). How would they be equal if protoss always has more harvesters? wasn't a mule something like 4 scv? and chrono allows you to get 2 probes instead of 1 no? correct me if im wrong A Mule gives 270 minerals in 90 gameseconds = 180 per minute An scv gives ~60 minerals per minute if the base is not oversaturated. ==> A Mule equals 3 scvs and ignores saturation. Chrono boost gives 50% faster build time. Which means 3 instead of 2 probes in the same time with ~1 Chrono boost used.
You have to account for SCV's building shit to where as protoss just can warp in buildings
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On August 07 2011 03:04 Jakkerr wrote:lol If u guys want a good laugh while waiting for the next match: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505100589That's the tourney topic for WoW. They are furious that Blizzard is deciding to broadcast SC2 only over WoW :p
Oh lawdy, that's acctualy hilarious!
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The WoW players are pisssed lol.
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Socke play vs Tarson or vs Nerchio in LB now?
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On August 07 2011 03:04 Shewklad wrote:
Oh god.. This song...
This sounds like some horrific sample of The Dubguru - You Gotta Know :/
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On August 07 2011 03:03 najreteip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:01 youngminii wrote:On August 07 2011 03:01 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:59 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 07 2011 02:57 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 Sina92 wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:53 Cognizance wrote:
2 Orbitals = 2 contsant MULEs = ~8 constant extra SCVs But isn't that meant to make up for chronoboost on probes? If Terran didn't have mules they'd always be behind tvp wouldn't they? No actually they would be on an equal level. And for your information, 2 mules = 12 SCVs (1 mule = 6). How would they be equal if protoss always has more harvesters? wasn't a mule something like 4 scv? and chrono allows you to get 2 probes instead of 1 no? correct me if im wrong Chrono speeds building time by 33% I think, so if you keep chronoboosting you'll get ahead quickly 2 Chrono = 1 and a bit extra Probes.  Yes, BUT 2 Chrono costs the same amount of energy as 1 mule, and don't forget that you'll essentially have 1 mule for 1 oc the entire game whereas the probes you chronoboost accumulate
But the Nexus has less energy than the OC so it doesn't matter if Chrono is 25 while Mule is 50.
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On August 07 2011 03:04 Jakkerr wrote:lol If u guys want a good laugh while waiting for the next match: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505100589That's the tourney topic for WoW. They are furious that Blizzard is deciding to broadcast SC2 only over WoW :p
Kind of funny.
They all have strong opinions about the music too.
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On August 07 2011 03:05 Rustug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:00 Seronei wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 StimMarine wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 A Wet Shamwow wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 StimMarine wrote:
Wow the translator is really unprofessional. he runs the ESL Does the ESL have a really bad reputation or something? I am not well-acquainted with the EU scene. ESL does(did?) have a bad reputation of unpaid price money. Not sure if they've paid it all back now. Source please? Those are pretty bad accusations.
That was IEM right?Still pretty bad to not pay out the prize money.
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On August 07 2011 03:01 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 02:59 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On August 07 2011 02:57 Moxi wrote:On August 07 2011 02:55 Kurumi wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 A Wet Shamwow wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 StimMarine wrote:
Wow the translator is really unprofessional. he runs the ESL and is a troll Can't agree with you more. I don't know why he pointed that out, "I won't translate that". I mean, seriously? Why not? With that kind of tone I don't know if your a good person for the job. Get someone else or try act more positive, it's part of the job. Anyhow, great play by thorzain! He said he wasn't gonna translate the mules are imba part with a smirk on his face. How is that being negative. People need to relax... He also "thanked" Thorzain for giving a long, technical answer to a question. Passive-aggressive translator is passive-aggressive. People are saying he has other stuff on his plate, whatever, they should get someone to translate who isn't going to treat it like a chore.
He was trying to be funny...
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On August 07 2011 03:03 najreteip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:01 youngminii wrote:On August 07 2011 03:01 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:59 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 07 2011 02:57 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 Sina92 wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:53 Cognizance wrote:
2 Orbitals = 2 contsant MULEs = ~8 constant extra SCVs But isn't that meant to make up for chronoboost on probes? If Terran didn't have mules they'd always be behind tvp wouldn't they? No actually they would be on an equal level. And for your information, 2 mules = 12 SCVs (1 mule = 6). How would they be equal if protoss always has more harvesters? wasn't a mule something like 4 scv? and chrono allows you to get 2 probes instead of 1 no? correct me if im wrong Chrono speeds building time by 33% I think, so if you keep chronoboosting you'll get ahead quickly 2 Chrono = 1 and a bit extra Probes. Yes, BUT 2 Chrono costs the same amount of energy as 1 mule, and don't forget that you'll essentially have 1 mule for 1 oc the entire game whereas the probes you chronoboost accumulate
Wasn't disagreeing with you, just giving you a simpler picture.
You guys are doing the stupid "x vs y omg X IS IMBALANCED" shit again.
Look, Mules have their advantages. So does Chronoboost. There is one thing that I'll comment on though, and that is Chronoboost is vital for improving timings and pumping upgrades/units so it cannot match Mules economy-wise. However, that's only one fucking aspect of the race, there's a ton of other shit that balances it out.
Clearly economy harass on a Terran that's on two base WHILE YOU'RE ON ONE BASE isn't the way to go.
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On August 07 2011 03:05 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:03 King of Kings wrote:What we must do is NOT ABUSE IT. You don't understand the game! Most of the people always want to just own other people and if there will be a OP Unit in the Beta, it will be abused like if there will be no tomorrow. This is why beta is always hilarious imo. That units that are OP people say are balanced like reapers/2 armor 1 food roachs RIP.
watching that terran preview video from before the beta started was awesome, banshees had splash and reapers could lay mines
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On August 07 2011 03:05 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:03 Dfgj wrote:On August 07 2011 03:01 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:59 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 07 2011 02:57 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 Sina92 wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:53 Cognizance wrote:
2 Orbitals = 2 contsant MULEs = ~8 constant extra SCVs But isn't that meant to make up for chronoboost on probes? If Terran didn't have mules they'd always be behind tvp wouldn't they? No actually they would be on an equal level. And for your information, 2 mules = 12 SCVs (1 mule = 6). How would they be equal if protoss always has more harvesters? wasn't a mule something like 4 scv? and chrono allows you to get 2 probes instead of 1 no? correct me if im wrong Chrono speeds building time by 33% I think, so if you keep chronoboosting you'll get ahead quickly Yup, T definitely can't keep up in sheer worker production, chrono works as described :p Only other things to consider is mules stack (T can 1base more effectively) and give immediate payout while chrono eats up more money in the short run while you spend in double-time on probes. Two factors that lead to P FEs getting really punished by 1base T. But they also mean that Terran's going to be mined out alot faster .
This is true! Just, uh, not a very common occurrence - and mining out faster still means he got his money before you :p
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On August 07 2011 03:00 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 02:58 Nocteo wrote:On August 07 2011 02:56 Sina92 wrote:On August 07 2011 02:54 najreteip wrote:On August 07 2011 02:53 Cognizance wrote:
2 Orbitals = 2 contsant MULEs = ~8 constant extra SCVs But isn't that meant to make up for chronoboost on probes? If Terran didn't have mules they'd always be behind tvp wouldn't they? No actually they would be on an equal level. And for your information, 2 mules = 12 SCVs (1 mule = 6). No P could get way ahead if he just chronoboosts his Nexus a lot, especially when he expands. I think the complaint about MULES here are they can let Terran stay on equal ground for a quite long among of time after getting alot of scvs killed. Ofc if you kill 15scvs you gonna be ahead but not immediately since MULES will do that much, so Terran can go for a really strong timing push killing their opponents before they even have the chance to capitalize on there advantages.
That's simply wrong. Mule is on avg worth ~4.5 SCVs(up to 6 between 16-22 workers on minerals), it costs 2 SCVs to make the OC. Heck each nexus you make, slap 5 chronos on it and you have equal'ed the terran's OC and don't need to chrono it again for the rest of the game.
The advantage of the mule is simply, it requires fewer patches for terran to play. Aslong as you aren't oversaturated, loosing workers will hurt just as much for terran as toss/zerg. Ofcourse the reason people feel terran doesn't suffer as badly as zerg/toss, loosing workers is because terran gets more workers on 2 base, that is to say, terran gets say 44 workers on 2 base + 2 mules while toss gets 44 workers. Terran looses 10 workers, but has 2 mules so it comes down from terran having econ advantage to equal.
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These songs are hilariously bad.
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On August 07 2011 03:04 Jakkerr wrote:lol If u guys want a good laugh while waiting for the next match: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505100589That's the tourney topic for WoW. They are furious that Blizzard is deciding to broadcast SC2 only over WoW :p
It's pretty sad, I was kind of curious to see what "competitive" 3v3 looked like nowadays since there's been fuck all in the way of tournaments since last blizzcon. Now one finally comes around and they don't get anything streamed lol 
Imagine how you'd feel if MLG broadcast Halo over SC2 because of time constraints one event.
Then imagine not having had any SC2 events for a year prior to that too.
I can feel their pain.
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On August 07 2011 03:04 Jakkerr wrote:lol If u guys want a good laugh while waiting for the next match: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505100589That's the tourney topic for WoW. They are furious that Blizzard is deciding to broadcast SC2 only over WoW :p
I don't what these WOW people thinking while they call SC a crap game lol. And yes I played WoW myself. SC just so much then those super boring WoW Arena
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On August 07 2011 03:03 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 03:02 Psychobabas wrote:
The production of this > MLG and NASL combined nah, dont think so. Nothing special about this event's production. Best in europe in term of production is DreamHack.
? What do you mean with production? They were delayed for several hours, there are no player booths, the interviewers are very unprofessional (never even turning towards the crowd or camera). From what I've heard the WoW players are being screwed over because blizzard hasn't installed WoW on their computers yet, too. Oh, and the "HD" stream isn't remotely close to HD, i.e. nowhere near the quality of dreamhack.
But on the positive side it's free, there are some interesting players and the casting duo could be worse.
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did Thorzain beat Socke ?
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spotify top list on the stream? ^^
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