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On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on.
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i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
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K, need to find some germans and split Poland for the 4th time. GO BRATOK
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On August 06 2011 01:55 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 constantqt wrote:
and thats why terrans so often resort to 1/1/1 all in No, they do it because it makes for easy wins, especially on ladder maps. It's not that good on huge maps like Terminus or Crevasse. Korean Terrans somehow manage to hit their EMPs correctly and roll over this kind of style just fine.
korean protoss besides MC don't look very impressive though
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Mana has only lost ONE map the entire tournament. He's so sick!
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On August 06 2011 01:54 Gautz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:51 Pirat6662001 wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 Ertu wrote:
I really think we Terran should shop going pure bio in TvP.
It's just not working anymore. Considering that charge lots kill tanks and Thors get feedbacked now what else is there? first lol second: since terran have ghosts templar doesnt work c what i did there? it s not only about the theory and ur piece of theory is wrong also ;<
If you're insinuating that mech is not only viable but better than bio in TvP, please try it before you theorycraft. GoOdy beats MaNa occasionally but his win rate against P is nowhere near as solid as his vt and vz. And if GoOdy can't do it consistently...
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Is ok, BratOK got this, one build - all the way.
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On August 06 2011 01:56 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on. this i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
oftentimes one has to predict enemy movements to land good storms ...
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On August 06 2011 01:57 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:54 Gautz wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Pirat6662001 wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 Ertu wrote:
I really think we Terran should shop going pure bio in TvP.
It's just not working anymore. Considering that charge lots kill tanks and Thors get feedbacked now what else is there? first lol second: since terran have ghosts templar doesnt work c what i did there? it s not only about the theory and ur piece of theory is wrong also ;< If you're insinuating that mech is not only viable but better than bio in TvP, please try it before you theorycraft. GoOdy beats MaNa occasionally but his win rate against P is nowhere near as solid as his vt and vz. And if GoOdy can't do it consistently...
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/go4sc2/cup123/match/23608939/
Very recently, absolutely slaughtered him. Good series to watch 
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On August 06 2011 01:57 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:54 Gautz wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Pirat6662001 wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 Ertu wrote:
I really think we Terran should shop going pure bio in TvP.
It's just not working anymore. Considering that charge lots kill tanks and Thors get feedbacked now what else is there? first lol second: since terran have ghosts templar doesnt work c what i did there? it s not only about the theory and ur piece of theory is wrong also ;< If you're insinuating that mech is not only viable but better than bio in TvP, please try it before you theorycraft. GoOdy beats MaNa occasionally but his win rate against P is nowhere near as solid as his vt and vz. And if GoOdy can't do it consistently...
Goody's losses vP come from protosses like HasuObs & Socke, who he has played a million times, they know his style very well, and know how to take advantage of it.
Goody plays mech without great mechanics, they take advantage of that, if a player like BratOK would do it, I doubt if it's so bad as you people make it out to be.
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"He hits the feedback every single time"
I love totalbiscuit,but sometimes he has no idea what he's talking about.
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I dont think Manas storms are anything special, but the guy just doesn't do mistakes.
There cool play and theres solid play, I think Mana is the latter.
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On August 06 2011 01:56 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on. this i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
i have to disagree, as a toss u consider that u may can t get the storms off, because u want to make sure to avoid emps - unti this is out of the way to just press t and hit the enemy ball can backfire a lot
so a strom hitting up the enemy army in a higher level (good plays and equal potent armies) of play is actual nice : )
but keep on hating protoss micro lol
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On August 06 2011 01:56 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on. this i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
How is it not the same with EMPs? The ''1chance durr'' doesn't really make sense, if you move out of a storm, 20 damage isn't that much, plus the 1time hit of an EMP does the same amount of damage (in shields) to most protoss units that a full storm does.
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Really think multiple observer play needs to be utilized more often, if there's 1 thing that been the overlooked reason he's won every PvT in this tourney it's his map vision and awareness.
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On August 06 2011 01:56 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on. this i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
Look at how he storms in front or behind the army, as well as on top, so he can push back the Terran army or force an engagement, his storms are very good.
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Thing about Mana is that he is using storms reguralry in PvT since like 7 months. He feels very comfortable with those.
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On August 06 2011 01:56 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 01:52 Badfatpanda wrote:On August 06 2011 01:51 Fyzar wrote:On August 06 2011 01:50 HQuality wrote:mmkay again plays better but catch all feedbacks and all storms Mana is just sick with the storms don't need to be skilled to press T. The thing is can enemy control his army right when storms incoming Get out of here, I bet that whenever a terran hits an EMP you go ''Amazing EMP''. MaNa is, in fact, sick with his storms, he throws them down defensively, AND lures his opponent into them sooo often, that's not luck, nor is it bad from the opponent. It's great from MaNa. You have to time emps, you only get 1 chance, you have 4s to get a hit with a storm, his storms are good but come on. this i don't say that mana lucky storming. It's just if u're protoss u press T and if u're not owning ur own units and hit enemy units, huge amount of people yelling "aweeesome storms" and if enemy dodge ur storms, same amount of people yelling "awwwful storms". Come on, guys. skill in battles with storms shows in dodging, not in landing
i think some of the emphasis on 'great storms' comes from brood war where landing great storms pvt was a huge task because each templar had to be selected individually, then the storm aimed, then another templar selected, etc. often this tactic had to be combined with a shuttle to ferry the HTs into range without their getting shredded by tanks or showing up too late to be of any use...
anyway bw was a hard game
but that said, there's still some skill involved in handling templar in SC2, proper spreading and positioning, proper anticipation of the opponent's movements and being wary of ghost etc etc
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ouch bratok dosnt pull out his units in time.
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EPT
