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ASUS ROG Tournament - ASSEMBLY Summer 2011 - Page 184
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Stay positive, be happy and enjoy the event. Caster bashing and player bashing? Too much whining? Uh-oh! | ||
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m0s1n0
Germany575 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
http://www.assembly.org/summer11/compos/gaming-sports/asus-rog-starcraft-ii-tournament/asus-rog-sc2-rules This is looking at Group D: 1. If you look at only set score before going into tiebreaker scenarios: TLO, Happy and Adelscott are 1-2, so it's a tie. Criteria 1 in the rules are mutual matches, which is also a tie. Criteria 2 are map score difference in mutual matches, here you have TLO at 3-2, Adelscott at 3-3 and Happy at 2-3, so Happy is out. According to rules we go back to Criteria 1 to solve the remaining tie between TLO and Adelscott, and since Adelscott won that match he gets 2nd in the group, not TLO. 2. If you look at set score and match wins before going into tiebreaker scenarios: All are at 1-2, so it's a tie there. TLO and Adelscott have 3 wins, Happy has 2 wins, so Happy isn't. Since TLO and Adelscott has 3 wins, the tiebreak is solved with Adelscott moving on since mutual match is Criteria 1. 3. If you look at set score, match wins and score difference before going into tiebreaker scenarios It's the same as above until you get between TLO and Adelscott, there TLO has -1 map difference while Adelscott has -2 map difference, so TLO would move on since no tiebreaker list is needed. Since TLO moved on both in the group standings and the brackets, it's logical to assume that 3 is the correct one, since that's the only pre-tiebreaker way that he would move on. But you can't have 3 being correct, and Nada getting 2nd in his group, because he would be first in the group both under 2 and 3. So either TLO is out and Nada gets 2nd in his group, or TLO is in and Nada gets 1st. Can someone look over it to see if I missed something crucial? | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:14 GenoZStriker wrote: Three-way ties are determined by map difference. All of them have 3 points and because TLO's map difference is better, he advances. Are 3 way ties determined by map difference, but 2 way ties are determined by mutual match only? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:17 ch33psh33p wrote: Whats this I hear about Stephano and BratOK trying to throw the same match? Neither of them wanted to play Sen in the playoffs, so they were both trying to lose. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:17 ch33psh33p wrote: Whats this I hear about Stephano and BratOK trying to throw the same match? With hilarious consequences  Was a very interesting series. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:06 Lobo2me wrote: This is looking at Group D: 1. If you look at only set score before going into tiebreaker scenarios: TLO, Happy and Adelscott are 1-2, so it's a tie. Criteria 1 in the rules are mutual matches, which is also a tie. Criteria 2 are map score difference in mutual matches, here you have TLO at 3-2, Adelscott at 3-3 and Happy at 2-3. Here is where it stops IMO. TLO +1 Adelscott 0 Happy -1 tie is completely solved -> TLO advances | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:17 GenoZStriker wrote: Correct. Are you an admin at Assembly or talked to an admin at the event, or is that what you think it is like? Because it doesn't say anything in the rules about how to determine if there is a tie at all, and just following what's written in the rules in all 3 possible scenarios, the results in group D and group H can not both happen at the same time. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:19 lord_nibbler wrote: Here is where it stops IMO. TLO +1 Adelscott 0 Happy -1 tie is completely solved -> TLO advances That's fine, then why is Elfi above Nada? Nada +2 Elfi +1 Elfi > Nada according to tomorrow's brackets. There's nothing in the rules about there being different pre-tiebreaker criteria for a double or triple tiebreak, or anything about pre-tiebreaker criteria at all. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:22 Lobo2me wrote: That's fine, then why is Elfi above Nada? Nada +2 Elfi +1 Because of criteria 1. I think you are missing the forest for the trees... | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:22 Lobo2me wrote: That's fine, then why is Elfi above Nada? Nada +2 Elfi +1 Elfi > Nada according to tomorrow's brackets. There's nothing in the rules about there being different pre-tiebreaker criteria for a double or triple tiebreak, or anything about pre-tiebreaker criteria at all. When two players tie, they look at direct result which is Elfi > NaDa. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:25 lord_nibbler wrote: Because of criteria 1. I think you are missing the forest for the trees... Criteria 1 is in case of a tiebreaker, the only way for TLO to move on is to resolve it before even getting into tiebreaker rules (since first criteria is mutual match and he lost vs Adelscott), and the only way for Nada to get 2nd is to get into tiebreaker rules(since he had more maps won and better difference). There is something wrong, and so far no one has found out if I did something wrong. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:26 GenoZStriker wrote: When two players tie, they look at direct result which is Elfi > NaDa. That's because of criteria 1 in the tiebreaker rules, and following those TLO is out and Adelscott is in. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
We have three players in group D. They all lost to Sjow. And then they lost to each other 'in a circle' (TLO>Happy>Adelscott>TLO). That is why you can not apply criteria 1 in this case. This means we move on to criteria 2. Which TLO clearly wins alone since his record for their 3 games between each other was the best. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 05 2011 08:35 lord_nibbler wrote: Please take a step back and think it through one more time. We have three players in group D. They all lost to Sjow. And then they lost to each other 'in a circle' (TLO>Happy>Adelscott>TLO). That is why you can not apply criteria 1 in this case. This means we move on to criteria 2. Which TLO clearly wins alone since his record for their 3 games between each other was the best. Now I see that I misinterpreted, which lead to what I wrote in 1. I thought that you solved criteria for one player and then moved back to the start, but you only move back to the start if there's still a tie after solving one of the possible criteria. And since criteria 2 is similar to possibility 3 (and criteria 5 would be similar to possibility 2), it didn't click properly for me. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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CriscoTroll
24 Posts
The simple solution is to make all of the groups play their group matches simultaneously so that players can't do things like this. When I was playing FPS tournaments if my team had a choice between winning and facing complexity or losing and facing a team in CAL-Main we would be running around with knives and pistols and letting them win, because when you fly out to a tournament, you're there to win money, period. You can't blame someone who is trying to win for taking the path that gives them the best chance at winning. These guys are playing to win money, not to uphold their honour by setting themselves up with probably the toughest possible round 1 matchup. Also, I thought those games were probably more entertaining than 95% of serious tournament games where both players are trying their hardest. I was laughing hysterically through the whole series, it was hilarious to see all of the little things that both players were trying to do poorly and watching it spiral out of control as each player tried to play slightly worse than the other realizing what was going on. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On August 05 2011 09:27 Sebzou wrote: damn,, didn't get to watch today,, i'm sure huk crushed his group,, what are the results? =) You are in for a treat. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Assembly_Summer_2011 | ||
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