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Stay positive, be happy and enjoy the event. Caster bashing and player bashing? Too much whining? Uh-oh!
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 22:08:03
August 04 2011 22:06 GMT
#3641
I am just a reader like everyone else...
So in Liquipedia the is a link to the official results page (Group results) and the brackets (Brackets).

The groups obviously do not follow the written rules and the tree is kind of funky shuffled.
Strammefar
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark44 Posts
August 04 2011 22:10 GMT
#3642
On August 05 2011 06:57 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 06:54 zev318 wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:51 Zane wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:50 m0ck wrote:
No, he had six points along with elfi, who beat him when they played. That should mean that elfi advance as 1, not nada.

They take map score into consideration before head to head. Nada is 5-3 and Elfi is 4-3. Also, what 6 points are you talking about? It's not soccer.



1. Mutual match
2. Map score difference in mutual games
3. Map score difference in all games in the group
4. Won maps in mutual games
5. Won maps in all games in the group
6. Tiebreaker games (bo1).

from the rules page, tiebreaker criterias, nada should be 2

Oh, I see. Then Elfi should be #1 indeed.


Not if you are following this link: http://tournaments.peliliiga.fi/summer11/tournaments/view/9

:S

According to them, Grubby is number 2 in group E insteat of Welmu?
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
August 04 2011 22:12 GMT
#3643
On August 05 2011 06:54 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 06:51 Zane wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:50 m0ck wrote:
No, he had six points along with elfi, who beat him when they played. That should mean that elfi advance as 1, not nada.

They take map score into consideration before head to head. Nada is 5-3 and Elfi is 4-3. Also, what 6 points are you talking about? It's not soccer.



1. Mutual match
2. Map score difference in mutual games
3. Map score difference in all games in the group
4. Won maps in mutual games
5. Won maps in all games in the group
6. Tiebreaker games (bo1).

from the rules page, tiebreaker criterias, nada should be 2

Yes, that's tiebreaker criteria, but when is it decided that it's a tie? After set score? After set and match score?
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 04 2011 22:15 GMT
#3644
On August 05 2011 07:04 Steamroller wrote:
Have u watched this stream? Pretty cool and i think u can't even see half of the computers there.

http://www.assemblytv.net/

Haaa, wanted a stream of the event itself all day, thank you sir I'll bookmark it for tomorrow.

Awesome tourney by the way. Usually except GSL I watch tournaments then my attention decline with time (even happened this weekend@MLG), today it was quite the contrary, I casually watched at first then just watched avidly, at the point that it's now midnight and I thought it was still like 7pm ^^
Some great game, great casting (the french casters were very good, and usually I don't like french casters too much, I'll watch english over french for the same game)


Morrow seems to have a royal road until the semi finals at least, I can see him winning this.

By the way TL staff, for tomorrow Assembly is not in the calendar.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 04 2011 22:18 GMT
#3645
On August 05 2011 07:12 Lobo2me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 06:54 zev318 wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:51 Zane wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:50 m0ck wrote:
No, he had six points along with elfi, who beat him when they played. That should mean that elfi advance as 1, not nada.

They take map score into consideration before head to head. Nada is 5-3 and Elfi is 4-3. Also, what 6 points are you talking about? It's not soccer.



1. Mutual match
2. Map score difference in mutual games
3. Map score difference in all games in the group
4. Won maps in mutual games
5. Won maps in all games in the group
6. Tiebreaker games (bo1).

from the rules page, tiebreaker criterias, nada should be 2

Yes, that's tiebreaker criteria, but when is it decided that it's a tie? After set score? After set and match score?

After match score is what makes the most sense.
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 22:29:36
August 04 2011 22:18 GMT
#3646
I wrote wrong stuff, sorry.
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 04 2011 22:21 GMT
#3647
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Assembly_Summer_2011#Brackets has been updated to what appears to be the correct bracket.
There were some confusions before originating from the group rankings on their site being wrong but the bracket page being correct.

If you find any mistakes let us know please.
Liquipedia
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
August 04 2011 22:28 GMT
#3648
So for now, we assume their group page is wrong but their brackets are right, correct?
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
August 04 2011 22:28 GMT
#3649
On August 05 2011 07:18 lord_nibbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:10 Strammefar wrote:
According to them, Grubby is number 2 in group E insteat of Welmu?

Well, those two did play a Tiebreaker game and they also both have the same score in the group results page. Welmu is the one who appears in the brackets though.
So that sounds about right.


I just looked at Grubby's match history and there wasn't any tiebreak match between him and Welmu.
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
August 04 2011 22:31 GMT
#3650
Yes, I wrote wrong stuff, sorry.
Could be my imagination, but I thought somebody talked about a tiebreaker hours ago.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
August 04 2011 22:34 GMT
#3651
Aww too bad for Grubby. Well he'll do better next time im sure ;-)
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
August 04 2011 22:38 GMT
#3652
What time does this start tomorrow, cant find it ?
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
August 04 2011 22:40 GMT
#3653
On August 05 2011 06:33 Uracil wrote:
I'm a little bit sad that Darkforce got eliminated 0-3. I don't think he showed his best play today.


i think he played rly well but he made a lot of mistakes that lost him those games
DeMusliM !!!
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
August 04 2011 22:42 GMT
#3654
On August 05 2011 07:38 FinBenton wrote:
What time does this start tomorrow, cant find it ?


10:00AM CET
Dimaga - TLO
SjoW - Bischu
SarenS - BratOK

11:00AM CET
Kas - Seiplo
Sen - Stephano
Elfi - Jimpo

12:00PM CET
Mana - Nada
Morrow - Welmu

I took these starting times from fragster.de, hopefully they're correct ^^
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
August 04 2011 22:44 GMT
#3655
On August 05 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:12 Lobo2me wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:54 zev318 wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:51 Zane wrote:
On August 05 2011 06:50 m0ck wrote:
No, he had six points along with elfi, who beat him when they played. That should mean that elfi advance as 1, not nada.

They take map score into consideration before head to head. Nada is 5-3 and Elfi is 4-3. Also, what 6 points are you talking about? It's not soccer.



1. Mutual match
2. Map score difference in mutual games
3. Map score difference in all games in the group
4. Won maps in mutual games
5. Won maps in all games in the group
6. Tiebreaker games (bo1).

from the rules page, tiebreaker criterias, nada should be 2

Yes, that's tiebreaker criteria, but when is it decided that it's a tie? After set score? After set and match score?

After match score is what makes the most sense.

Yes, that's what I'd think too, but it seems they do it differently.

The reason why I think it should be after map score or difference:
Let imagine NASL group where P1 went 2-0 against P3-10, and 1-2 against P2. He would have a total map score of 17-2, +15 map difference. P2 went 2-1 against P1 and P3-9 and 0-2 against P10, he's got a total map score of 16-10 and a +6 map difference. Yet he would be ahead of P1 in standings because he won against him, if mutual match result was first tiebreaker after set results.
In a 4 man group the biggest difference would be one player going 5-2 and the another 4-4 in matches, but the 4-4 player getting first in the group.

If that's how they do it, that's fine, but it would be nice to know which one it is because their brackets and groups said different things.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 22:49:03
August 04 2011 22:48 GMT
#3656
Their groups and bracket probably say different things because automated tournament systems usually aren't designed to take direct result into consideration, rather just the map difference. Happens with the ESL and other tournament groups as well and have to be manually changed.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
August 04 2011 22:50 GMT
#3657
How did HuK lose to jimpo?

Against MaNa I could understand since it's PvP but vs Jimpo? did he do some all-in or did HuK just not play to his usual level ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
August 04 2011 22:56 GMT
#3658
On August 05 2011 07:50 shannn wrote:
How did HuK lose to jimpo?

Against MaNa I could understand since it's PvP but vs Jimpo? did he do some all-in or did HuK just not play to his usual level ?


the map i saw (g3) was a straight macro game.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
BjC
Profile Joined February 2011
England181 Posts
August 04 2011 22:56 GMT
#3659
On August 05 2011 07:50 shannn wrote:
How did HuK lose to jimpo?

Against MaNa I could understand since it's PvP but vs Jimpo? did he do some all-in or did HuK just not play to his usual level ?


Huks has had hard matches against really good european players. Darkforce gave him a hard game in the series huk won. Jetlag may have some effect but his play seemed good to me. Just good matches vs good players on both sides. Why did it have to be an allin or cheese for huk to lose?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
August 04 2011 22:57 GMT
#3660
On August 05 2011 07:34 LittLeD wrote:
Aww too bad for Grubby. Well he'll do better next time im sure ;-)


Grubby did pretty well. He fought hard against Kas, forced a deciding game but couldn't deal with a 1-base 4rax pressure.
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