Killing the pylon is completely unrewarding for the defending player as most good tosses have a backup pylon nearby anyway.

I think not resetting WG cooldowns will make drops in TvP harder for P to defend though. P needs to be a lot more careful where they warp-in for defence.

dani`

Netherlands2402 Posts

July 18 2011 15:27 GMT

#1322

On July 18 2011 21:02 shannn wrote:
I haven't watched the series but is it really only the 5th and 6th game recommended?
The vods just got online and I don't really want to watch 4gating action :p

Just skip the first 2 games and you'll be fine =)

nvs.

Canada3609 Posts

July 18 2011 15:28 GMT

#1323

On July 19 2011 00:27 frucisky wrote:

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I'm talking about a monetary loss (25%, 50% 75% whatever) to the player who has units die while warping in instead of a full refund. When doing a hard 20 probe warpgate that would have HUGE implication on the outcome of that first match.

King of Kings

Germany481 Posts

July 18 2011 15:39 GMT

#1324

I haven't watched the series but is it really only the 5th and 6th game recommended?
The vods just got online and I don't really want to watch 4gating action

First 4games are 4gate vs 4gate. g5 and g6 have like 3robos :p

Pipeline

Sweden1673 Posts

July 18 2011 16:36 GMT

#1325

I felt weird watching the VODs of the code A final. I've never been excited about PvP until Homestory cup turned me around. But I got to say that most of the games today was very boring and left a lot more to wish for. It looked like PvP was back at the same state as before Homestory cup! I wouldn't recommend any game of the series to someone who isn't a protoss player!

GG Puzzle, I guess :O

mr.reee

121 Posts

July 18 2011 17:13 GMT

#1326

On July 18 2011 21:25 CoR wrote:

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lol ... how long you not watched pvp ?
its sooo nice since last patch and after only tvt finals this is the first pvp final overall !

Just watch the g1 VOD - skipping this series seemed like a good decision.

I'll watch a pvp if its players I have an interest in. A bo7 between 2 toss I have no opinion on is quite skipable.

Sogetsu

514 Posts

July 18 2011 17:35 GMT

#1327

The only game "interesting" was the 5 Set... I feel I lost my sleep hour (because it didn't last so long) watching that...

skrzmark

United States1528 Posts

July 18 2011 17:40 GMT

#1328

I learned something in this PvP build your robo closer to your ramp so your immortal is there quicker. Thanks Puzzle!

dragoonier

Germany154 Posts

July 18 2011 17:43 GMT

#1329

As Puzzle said in his winner's interview, only seeing 4 gates is pretty rare nowadays. And I think that series showed why. Sure if you are not prepared for 4 gate it can pretty easily kill you. But if you know your opponent only 4 gates, you can do a defensive 4 gate and be ahead most of the time.
Sure 4 gate will always have a place in pvp especially on maps like tal'darim but as time goes on we will see less and less of it.

isospeedrix

United States215 Posts

July 18 2011 17:49 GMT

#1330

I actually enjoy 4 gating micro wars, I know I'm in the minority, but I really love to watch PvP actually and enjoyed this finals alot.

Brotatolol

United States1742 Posts

July 18 2011 17:51 GMT

#1331

Last 2 games were sick. So glad Puzzle got the Code S spot, he really deserved it. Not to mention his route to the Code A finals included him going 9-0 in games (13-2 counting the finals). Puzzle hwaiting!

bovi

Japan208 Posts

July 18 2011 18:08 GMT

#1332

game 5 was great.... really really inspired play. 1 of the best matches i've seen and not just pvp but all races.

game 6 was good.

Bloog

United States44 Posts

July 18 2011 18:13 GMT

#1333

I haven't ready every page of this thread yet, but is anybody else REALLY, REALLY happy that Tassadar lost? I try hard not to be negative, but I can't help feel like he was close to pulling a fast one on Puzzle (the player who obviously deserved to win). PvP man...this series is pretty solid evidence that we are nowhere near balancing protoss (who knows whether we should address the warpgate mechanic itself, or focus on map balance).

Chicane

United States7875 Posts

July 18 2011 19:00 GMT

#1334

So Puzzle was another player that was Hyped to all hell like DRG, and now he finally got into Code A and won it (not sure if it's the first time in Code A, but nevertheless...) It's pretty cool how that works.

crawlingchaos

Canada2025 Posts

July 18 2011 19:32 GMT

#1335

I felt the same way after watching this series as i did after I saw The Expendables. Lots of action, don't know wtf is going on.

Seriously though, I am glad Puzzle won since he looked to be the more solid player. Game 5's engagement was thrilling and I hope he does well in code S. Now, all that remains is for Dr. G to fight his way into code A/S >_>

whatthefat

United States918 Posts

July 18 2011 19:50 GMT

#1336

On July 19 2011 00:15 nvs. wrote:
Just watched the first game, Blizzard REALLY needs to punish a player whose units die while warping in due to the pylon dying instead of giving a refund. It would have made a huge difference at the end of game 1.

Absolutely. There has to be some type of penalty, whether it's resources or warpgate cooldown (I thought at some point it was the latter, although I could be misremembering). It's ridiculous the way it is.

HolyArrow

United States7116 Posts

July 18 2011 20:12 GMT

#1337

People who are suggesting a resource penalty aren't thinking properly. What if there was a drop in the Toss main, you warp in 6 Stalkers to defend (a common mid-late game situation), and Terran snipes the Pylon? That's a 750 mineral, 300 gas kill, 850 minerals if you count the Pylon. That sort of potential penalty for a player trying to defend is simply unprecedented - the only time you get that sort of damage from a single snipe is when, say, a drop gets sniped, and let's say the drop has 4 marauders in it - that's a 500 mineral, 200 gas mistake (counting the dropship) and that's when you're doing something aggressive and risky, yet still a much cheaper mistake than losing the resources for warping in Stalkers to defend a drop.

True, people are asking for that penalty due to aggressive warp-ins failing, but the fact of how balance works is that it goes both ways (offensively and defensively), and there's really nothing you can do about it, unless you think of some really, really tacky mechanic that only punishes aggressive pylons.

Shousan

Mexico92 Posts

July 18 2011 20:20 GMT

#1338

I think a great way to penalize a player with the pylon would be to give a cooldown to the warpgates that were warping, not a full time cooldown but something like 10 seconds... losing minerals might be to much.

Archers_bane

United States1338 Posts

July 18 2011 21:40 GMT

#1339

im sorry, but where can I watch the vods for this? I am new to viewing sc2