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jester.
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia4 Posts
July 17 2011 09:13 GMT
#1041
On July 17 2011 11:37 unit wrote:
why is the bracket link showing me tl open #18?


Use this link
TL Open #19 Bracket
GET BAAAAAAAACK
Serashin
Profile Joined November 2010
235 Posts
July 17 2011 09:33 GMT
#1042
Dont know if that has been answered anywhere but cant find it in OP does teamliquid refrain from making ro4 - final replays avaible ?
There are to many targets , and i smile everytime they try to defend and thinking they are smart.
insaneMicro
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany761 Posts
July 17 2011 09:41 GMT
#1043
On July 17 2011 15:26 Strelok wrote:
I am very unhappy since i came only to demolish some koreans and got Goody. Loosing to Goody is worst feeling ever because you feel like you are better in every aspect of game and still loose. Sadly I have got huge problems against mechanical terran and in fact it's my only problem in 3 matchups for now.


You should talk to ClouD or Sjow haha. I quote:
goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural
"Damn I played some fine Zerg right there". -Fruitdealer
vullem
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 10:08:56
July 17 2011 10:01 GMT
#1044
Dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 17 2011 10:08 GMT
#1045
On July 17 2011 15:26 Strelok wrote:
I am very unhappy since i came only to demolish some koreans and got Goody. Loosing to Goody is worst feeling ever because you feel like you are better in every aspect of game and still loose. Sadly I have got huge problems against mechanical terran and in fact it's my only problem in 3 matchups for now.


LOL XD. did you make sure to watch the replay after and select those factories with the queued up siege tanks?
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
July 17 2011 10:14 GMT
#1046
TLO failed in reading the game (even he had full view) and still bashing at goody. Picking at the energy of the orbital all the time, missing that goody (always low on vikings) needs scans like hell in a TvT, even he was only on two orbitals. TLO never admit that he was wrong with the 3rd cc, even this was the game breaking decission of goody. In the end TLO told us both players are so bad, goody in general and strelok because he lose against goody. That was a little bit too much.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 17 2011 10:36 GMT
#1047
On July 17 2011 19:14 Atrimex wrote:
TLO failed in reading the game (even he had full view) and still bashing at goody. Picking at the energy of the orbital all the time, missing that goody (always low on vikings) needs scans like hell in a TvT, even he was only on two orbitals. TLO never admit that he was wrong with the 3rd cc, even this was the game breaking decission of goody. In the end TLO told us both players are so bad, goody in general and strelok because he lose against goody. That was a little bit too much.


They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
July 17 2011 11:02 GMT
#1048
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
July 17 2011 11:30 GMT
#1049
On July 17 2011 20:02 Atrimex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.


Not dropping mules is a HUGE thing. Queuing up 4 scvs at the 3 minute mark is unheard of in the pro scene. Queing up 4 siege tanks on 1 factory is laughable. Even not balancing saturation on bases is painful to see. Don't give me the he need scan thing. Other Terrans seem to be perfectly fine without Vikings. You don't need 8 scans. These mistakes are mistakes only Goody makes. He gets supply blocked for minutes, builds 2 depots, gets supply blocked again, queues up more units. Just poor poor macro. Just because he wins, doesn't mean his macro is stellar in any way.
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
July 17 2011 11:39 GMT
#1050
On July 17 2011 20:30 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:02 Atrimex wrote:
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.


Not dropping mules is a HUGE thing. Queuing up 4 scvs at the 3 minute mark is unheard of in the pro scene. Queing up 4 siege tanks on 1 factory is laughable. Even not balancing saturation on bases is painful to see. Don't give me the he need scan thing. Other Terrans seem to be perfectly fine without Vikings. You don't need 8 scans. These mistakes are mistakes only Goody makes. He gets supply blocked for minutes, builds 2 depots, gets supply blocked again, queues up more units. Just poor poor macro. Just because he wins, doesn't mean his macro is stellar in any way.


Yes, Goody exclusive mistakes..

Dont make me laugh, he sometimes has this games, but most of the times he does not.
Dexx
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
July 17 2011 12:00 GMT
#1051
On July 17 2011 20:30 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:02 Atrimex wrote:
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.


Not dropping mules is a HUGE thing. Queuing up 4 scvs at the 3 minute mark is unheard of in the pro scene. Queing up 4 siege tanks on 1 factory is laughable. Even not balancing saturation on bases is painful to see. Don't give me the he need scan thing. Other Terrans seem to be perfectly fine without Vikings. You don't need 8 scans. These mistakes are mistakes only Goody makes. He gets supply blocked for minutes, builds 2 depots, gets supply blocked again, queues up more units. Just poor poor macro. Just because he wins, doesn't mean his macro is stellar in any way.


The guy who wins is always right. Always. And goody keeps winning with his style of play. Things are that easy.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 17 2011 12:08 GMT
#1052
On July 17 2011 20:30 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:02 Atrimex wrote:
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.


Not dropping mules is a HUGE thing. Queuing up 4 scvs at the 3 minute mark is unheard of in the pro scene. Queing up 4 siege tanks on 1 factory is laughable. Even not balancing saturation on bases is painful to see. Don't give me the he need scan thing. Other Terrans seem to be perfectly fine without Vikings. You don't need 8 scans. These mistakes are mistakes only Goody makes. He gets supply blocked for minutes, builds 2 depots, gets supply blocked again, queues up more units. Just poor poor macro. Just because he wins, doesn't mean his macro is stellar in any way.


And he wins with it. What is your point. Go pick at the player who loses against this "shitty Terran". GoOdy could be an absolute monster with clean mechanics I agree and its fair enough to point out his mistakes and weak mechanics, but its enough to state it once and not 10 minutes in a row.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Atrimex
Profile Joined July 2011
193 Posts
July 17 2011 12:10 GMT
#1053
On July 17 2011 20:30 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:02 Atrimex wrote:
On July 17 2011 19:36 ProxyKnoxy wrote:

They made a lot of mistakes in that game... and although it may have been a bit far TLO has always said he gets frustrated when people he watches makes mistakes because as a player he wants to play it himself. (probably didn't explain that well)


What kind of mistakes are you talking about? Name them and we can talk about it. TLO make it look like that they made lot of mistakes, but in the end they dont make more mistakes as generally are made in pro matches. TLO let them look like noobs and thats not ok, even TLO makes a lot mistakes in game prediction in this matches, that he better pick on himself.


Not dropping mules is a HUGE thing. Queuing up 4 scvs at the 3 minute mark is unheard of in the pro scene. Queing up 4 siege tanks on 1 factory is laughable. Even not balancing saturation on bases is painful to see. Don't give me the he need scan thing. Other Terrans seem to be perfectly fine without Vikings. You don't need 8 scans. These mistakes are mistakes only Goody makes. He gets supply blocked for minutes, builds 2 depots, gets supply blocked again, queues up more units. Just poor poor macro. Just because he wins, doesn't mean his macro is stellar in any way.


If not dropping mules, queuing up scv and tanks is such a HUGE thing then goody wouldnt be nearly in any tournament final over the last month, but he is. So it cant be such a big thing. How could it be that you only named things goody made not optimal but missed what strelok did wrong? Strelok didnt waste energy or something like this, he must be doing much hugher mistakes to lose against goody.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
July 17 2011 12:42 GMT
#1054
I'm merely saying that TLOs criticisms are justified and was responding to the above poster, who asked someone to point out Goodys mistakes (he also said goody saved orbital energy for scans). I am not making a judgment on Goodys overall skill as a player, nor was I attempting to point out the plethora of strelok mistakes. I was just saying that goody was mechanically not as good as many other pros. He makes up for it with positioning, timing and knowing nuances about his style that others dont know.

If someone cannot beat goody even though they have way superior mechanics, then they have a glaring faults in their game also. But I wasn't talking about this, I never made any judgement on anything inside the game except mechanics as I wasn't talking about who the better player was.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 13:06:41
July 17 2011 13:03 GMT
#1055
On July 17 2011 16:49 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 11:58 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 17 2011 11:18 Otolia wrote:
So the Koreans saw that Europeans can still hold their rank. And we are not talking about only first rank players. MoMaN was 9th ex-aequo .... And he is far from being a top 5 zerg in Eu right now.

It was held from about 2am to 8am Korean time, with Koreans playing at 500ms on the NA server. It wouldn't read much into it.

So what, Koreans are supposed to be SO FREAKING FAR AHEAD of foreigners right ? Furthermore, I am laughing at the 500ms ... That's a complete misconception of global internet connection. Any good servers in the west coast provides Japan under 200ms. So ... it doesn't takes 300 ms to get an answer in Korea.

You can always find excuses if you want to but there was at least one Code S player (CoCa) and he didn't won. International gaming is so made that you have to compete at night with high ping sometimes. If you don't prepare accordingly by training on NA servers then you are a joke of a progamer who is either too full of himself or arrogant. Either way, you get punished by people who actually care ...


And despiute your whine about how people should be in the peak of physical condition playing all night with lag for $100 a Korean still actually won, and very comfortably 3-0 in the final at that.

And Koreans are far, far ahead of foreigners. People are still debating that fact?
tyles
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom509 Posts
July 17 2011 13:15 GMT
#1056
I enjoyed their casting, why all the need for hate.ridiculous.
Tyles.772 Bobstar.223 I'm just disappointed they overhyped an announcement which would obviously cause a lot of backlash in the TL community. Sure they acquired huk, but they didn't have to rub it in our faces.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
July 17 2011 13:49 GMT
#1057
On July 17 2011 18:13 jester. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 11:37 unit wrote:
why is the bracket link showing me tl open #18?


Use this link
TL Open #19 Bracket

tyvm :D
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
July 17 2011 14:00 GMT
#1058
On July 17 2011 16:49 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 11:58 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 17 2011 11:18 Otolia wrote:
So the Koreans saw that Europeans can still hold their rank. And we are not talking about only first rank players. MoMaN was 9th ex-aequo .... And he is far from being a top 5 zerg in Eu right now.

It was held from about 2am to 8am Korean time, with Koreans playing at 500ms on the NA server. It wouldn't read much into it.

So what, Koreans are supposed to be SO FREAKING FAR AHEAD of foreigners right ? Furthermore, I am laughing at the 500ms ... That's a complete misconception of global internet connection. Any good servers in the west coast provides Japan under 200ms. So ... it doesn't takes 300 ms to get an answer in Korea.

You can always find excuses if you want to but there was at least one Code S player (CoCa) and he didn't won. International gaming is so made that you have to compete at night with high ping sometimes. If you don't prepare accordingly by training on NA servers then you are a joke of a progamer who is either too full of himself or arrogant. Either way, you get punished by people who actually care ...


Because you've played from korea right? So all the other people who have played from korea and have reported latencies from 300-500ms, all the times when we've watched korean players play online and show the latency in their ability to respond, all the people who say US to Taiwan is unplayable lag (and similarly US to Korea) are just making excuses while you are right?

How self indulgent.
Yargh
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
July 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#1059
Thanks for all the feedback. Me and TLO rerecorded the commentary to make it less biased. You can find it here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=205426
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
July 17 2011 14:18 GMT
#1060
"minerals being mined, minerals being mined"
<3 would be even better with TB accent .
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