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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwBPriOQ7O0
North American (Original) Broadcast: Saturday, Jul 16 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
European Re-Broadcast: Saturday, Jul 16 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Note: Click the player names to see their pre-tournament video interviews!
Today's IPL 2 Commentators: PainUser, CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and djWheat
VODsThe VODs for the IPL 2 Main Event will appear first on our Justin.TV Archives as one long VOD, but will be broken up into individual games and placed on our Main Video Archive in a spoiler-free format soon after the original broadcast. All of IPL 2 Main Event's VODs will be absolutely free to anyone, in all available quality settings, including HD.
NewsPlease leave general feedback about quality, overlays, graphics, etc. for the IPL in our new Feedback Thread and discuss the games themselves here. Thank you! Each day there will be match recaps, announcements, and other news posted to our News Section on the IPL website. Thanks for watching from myself, and the rest of the IGN eSports Team!
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Wow, people are actually voting for Destiny? Socke is a top level pro, Destiny is going to get rolled.
How long does this event last?
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So excited for today!
Yesterday I was really only looking forward to the IdrA game but i'm really excited for at least 1 person in each game today :D
ThorZaIN fighting!!
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Poor MaNa his PvZ is so bad.
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Thorzain, Destiny, Darkforce, and Fenix fighting!!
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Destiny is good enough to beat most any foreign pro in a bo3. He beat Bomber in one afterall. And he has beat plenty of others. He stands a shot of winning anyways.
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Destiny has a chance at winning because of his off the wall playstyle. Socke never has really impressed me anyway. Gogogogo Steven!
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On July 16 2011 03:53 mrtomjones wrote: Destiny is good enough to beat most any foreign pro in a bo3. He beat Bomber in one afterall. And he has beat plenty of others. He stands a shot of winning anyways. TLPD the only games he won against a really good player was 1 game in a bo3 against naniwa and bratok. Don´t know what happend against Bomber, havn´t seen it but that sentence is a bit over the top imo. I´ll gladly say the opposite if he shows good games, perhaps my fault that I don´t follow his games...
Ah, not to become to off topic: loved yesterday stream, stayed up and could catch first 2 matches. Watched the rest in rebroadcast. Really good first day, and the critics thread in SC2 General show that you have responses for almost all complains. Keep up the good work
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On July 16 2011 03:53 mrtomjones wrote: Destiny is good enough to beat most any foreign pro in a bo3. He beat Bomber in one afterall. And he has beat plenty of others. He stands a shot of winning anyways.
Whom actually? Noticable was only Bomber.
He has a shot, but way below 35% like in the poll.
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Well, keep in mind this was played a month ago. But just today he was able to beat Slayers_Lots and Slayers_Kuma on the Korean server. The past few days he has also been doing some matches with Huk. Nothing competitive but purely for practice, but I think he has impressed Huk at times with his play.
Since this was played a month ago I'm not sure how he'll do. If Socke uses HTs for feedback on the infestors then I imagine he'll have no trouble.
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On July 16 2011 04:11 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:53 mrtomjones wrote: Destiny is good enough to beat most any foreign pro in a bo3. He beat Bomber in one afterall. And he has beat plenty of others. He stands a shot of winning anyways. Whom actually? Noticable was only Bomber. He has a shot, but way below 35% like in the poll.
Hmm, he has beaten Select a couple of times, Slush, HuK, Machine etc.
Not in best of 3's though.
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Thorzain Socke Darkforce Fenix
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On July 16 2011 04:11 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:53 mrtomjones wrote: Destiny is good enough to beat most any foreign pro in a bo3. He beat Bomber in one afterall. And he has beat plenty of others. He stands a shot of winning anyways. Whom actually? Noticable was only Bomber. He has a shot, but way below 35% like in the poll.
Especially considering Socke has taken down Zergs like Ret, Morrow and Dimaga lately. All of which are probably better than Destiny.
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On July 16 2011 04:07 xOff wrote: Socke never has really impressed me anyway. Gogogogo Steven!
you must be new in the scene its not a big deal bro!
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Thorzain has strong TvP. Loved his 8+ ghost use Socke has better results than Destiny. Destiny has a shot, but Socke should be the favorite here Mana/Darkforce is kind of equal. Guess i have to go with mana. thats who i picked in the poll. Fenix cause I haven't seen that much of DDE
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Why bother mentioning that a player on Destiny's level beat a player on Bomber's level... All things considered, on a totally level playing field and with Bomber playing 100% I don't think anyone would doubt his ability to beat Destiny 99% of the time or greater.
That said, Socke is not on Bomber's level, but nonetheless has proven a bit more than Destiny. He's the favorite there, along with ThorZaIN and DarKFoRcE (imo). Fenix vs dde seems a bit more unpredictable, but I'd lean towards dde here.
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Even though there was no money on the line, Cella set Destiny up with games against SlayerSLots and SlayersKuma today. Destiny won both pretty easily.
Granted these games were played a long time ago and Destiny has really ironed out his infestor builds recently, but if Destiny were playing Socke today I would pick Destiny.
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EG.Axslav vs. mouz.ThorZaIN Destiny vs. aTn.Socke mouz.MaNa vs. aTn.DarKFoRcE sixjax.dde vs. FnaticMSI.Fenix Yeah, I've got a couple choices that would be considered gambles...
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On July 16 2011 06:48 Vehemus wrote: Even though there was no money on the line, Cella set Destiny up with games against SlayerSLots and SlayersKuma today. Destiny won both pretty easily.
Granted these games were played a long time ago and Destiny has really ironed out his infestor builds recently, but if Destiny were playing Socke today I would pick Destiny. Destiny is definitely improving much more quickly than I thought he would. I'm really interested to see how he will do in this tournament. I was really disappointed with him from MLG, but he has definitely shown he can play. Maybe those billion hours of laddering will finally pay off
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Let's go Thorzain. The road to the championship begins tonight.
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Holy shit! Awsome games today!
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How come there are no liquibets for IPL?
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On July 16 2011 08:06 DoomsVille wrote: How come there are no liquibets for IPL?
Because the games already happened. You run the risk of someone who has the results getting a severely unfair advantage on liquibet.
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Fingers crossed for DDE, seeing him perform well in the IEM qualifiers (even against a member of Prime, if I'm not mistaken) has really brought out the fanboy in me.
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Ah crap I voted for Axslav instead of Thorzain by mistake. Anyways....
Axslav<Thorzain Destiny<Socke Mana<Darkforce dde<Fenix
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Stream will go live in just about 30 minutes! Go tell all of your friends, whether they play StarCraft 2 or not, to come watch with us. =D
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Sadly I won't get to watch it live because of work, but I know what I'll be watching at work TOMORROW!
gogo dde!!!!
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Someone logging in and out?
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problems again oO
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Boom goes the dynamite! Sounds like someone pressed the wrong button or automatic windows update!
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Lol, IPL been having a lot of problems lately.
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Somebody forgot to defrag?
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What's up with the stream?
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Can I just say that this hacking IPL stuff is getting really annoying? also. I hope Axslav takes it. Destiny too.
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I thought that was my computer for a second. Good thing these aren't live.
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Did the stream just liek cut off or something?
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Console gamers don't know how to disable Windows Update -_-
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oh the hacking
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Is this another hacking thing?
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Is IGN feeling sorry for NASL?
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the stream came back at 720p, i switched to 360p and its out..
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So excited for these games. Thorzain is always a sight to see, Destiny is Destiny, Darkforce vs Mana....
Well...
I feel like that is actually going to be the game of the night. Darkforce is really good at ZvP, and plays an interesting style with nyduses and drops and broodlords. Meanwhile Mana is just so solid and plays also very well. Plus hopefully he'll do his famous high templar build!
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This push just makes me sad....
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So, is it just me, or did Axslav lose that game to miscontrol? I feel like his 2nd base had kicked in but he didn't delay the push as long as he could have.
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Can't wait for that all-in to be figured out.
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thats the problem with 1gate expand, gives you like no scouting ability until its too late.
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Great attack by thorzain, I only saw the latter end as the attack was full swing and thorzain had 3 banshees. It's far more standard to see a raven in this type of all in. I wonder why that wasn't employed this time.
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It's really annoying that people just cry 'hacking' or 'DDoS' whenever anything goes wrong...c'mon guys. They logged out for some reason, as someone said, console gamers don't know how to disable Windows Update
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On July 16 2011 09:16 Cassel_Castle wrote: Can't wait for that all-in to be figured out.
That allin (though usually you get a Raven) has been around forever, it's just seeing a lot more prominence now.
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On July 16 2011 09:16 Proko wrote: So, is it just me, or did Axslav lose that game to miscontrol? I feel like his 2nd base had kicked in but he didn't delay the push as long as he could have.
I think the whole going up to 6 gate and robo before actually production anything kinda hindered his ability to delay the push. Maybe it didn't though.
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Where were the forcefields? Did he really only have enough energy for the 3 at the gold expo???
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Thorzain does that all in every single time on that map :/
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Wow that was super, super greedy.
To the untrained eye, it seemed like Thorzain should have punished it a lot more severly. But a win is a win. Hope Thorzain will show us more, still have hopes that the Swedish Korea invasion will go well.
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On July 16 2011 09:17 Ruscour wrote:It's really annoying that people just cry 'hacking' or 'DDoS' whenever anything goes wrong...c'mon guys. They logged out for some reason, as someone said, console gamers don't know how to disable Windows Update
Heh, I was like "I don't know how to disable windows update" and then I remembered I know how to use google.
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1 gate expo is pretty standard lol
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Thorzain looking good today. That attack seems really frustrating to hold.
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Haha thorzain denying in sc2 :D
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Pardon me if this has been answered ad nauseum, but why is the dual-supply/resource count bar disabled? Bit annoying you don't see both supplies all the time =/
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so much warp prism play recently
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On July 16 2011 09:23 Duoma wrote: Pardon me if this has been answered ad nauseum, but why is the dual-supply/resource count bar disabled? Bit annoying you don't see both supplies all the time =/
From our feedback thread:
Issue 9: The cloaked version of the map makes the replay only show one resource/supply bar at a time. Solution: We worked with the map maker Superouman and in the later rounds he figured out a way to show both Implementation Date: You will see both supply counts at the same time in later rounds. These are NOT very old maps/games from old patches before the double supply/resource count was added by Blizzard.
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On July 16 2011 09:17 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:16 Proko wrote: So, is it just me, or did Axslav lose that game to miscontrol? I feel like his 2nd base had kicked in but he didn't delay the push as long as he could have.
I think the whole going up to 6 gate and robo before actually production anything kinda hindered his ability to delay the push. Maybe it didn't though.
He might have been fine if he simply sacked the expansion controlled his ramp and harassed instead of fighting an army he had no chance of beating. Doesn't help his control was bad.
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that was a damn sexy push.
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Woah, that was a pretty cool attack there - using the warp prism to warp in more units on top of the ramp during the attack.
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Thorzain is completely bulletproof, wow, didn't think he'd hold at all.
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This play from Axslav is SICK.
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Well that's what happens when you don't focus the warp prism before it gets it's first round off. It's not like it has any health.
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You one base all in? I two base all in you!
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On July 16 2011 09:25 Cassel_Castle wrote: Thorzain is completely bulletproof, wow, didn't think he'd hold at all. He's 20 workers behind...there's no way you can consider that a hold.
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On July 16 2011 09:26 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:25 Cassel_Castle wrote: Thorzain is completely bulletproof, wow, didn't think he'd hold at all. He's 20 workers behind...there's no way you can consider that a hold.
Yeah I realized how stupid that was after posting T_T
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Really nice play there from Axslav
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what's up with the UI, why aren't both players resources/population shown Oo
not big, but maybe it can be fixed
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On July 16 2011 09:24 CatsPajamas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:23 Duoma wrote: Pardon me if this has been answered ad nauseum, but why is the dual-supply/resource count bar disabled? Bit annoying you don't see both supplies all the time =/ From our feedback thread: Issue 9: The cloaked version of the map makes the replay only show one resource/supply bar at a time. Solution: We worked with the map maker Superouman and in the later rounds he figured out a way to show both Implementation Date: You will see both supply counts at the same time in later rounds. These are NOT very old maps/games from old patches before the double supply/resource count was added by Blizzard.
I see I see.
Thanks for the quick response ^^
<3
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If Axslav would have higher apm he could probably do that same push with 6 gateways
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That was pretty reminiscent of special tactics.
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On July 16 2011 09:27 n0ise wrote: what's up with the UI, why aren't both players resources/population shown Oo
not big, but maybe it can be fixed It's gonna be fixed later on in the season, it's to do with the map that was used, so nothing can be done.
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hm didn't think axslav would take a game. warp prism seeing more use in gsl and in the foreigner scene it seems. I like.
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terran allins game 1 and wins, protoss allins game 2 and wins, starcraft 2 is an awsome macro game
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thorzain had so many chances to snipe the warp prism after the initial warp in.......... fail
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Hoping for a macro game from both players in game 3.
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On July 16 2011 09:27 Jungosi wrote: That was pretty reminiscent of special tactics.
Lol. Maybe Whitera will pull that out next.
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On July 16 2011 09:27 oskarla wrote: If Axslav would have higher apm he could probably do that same push with 6 gateways
probably, but I think the point of the push is to be able to warp in many many units at once.
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On July 16 2011 09:28 pureability wrote: terran allins game 1 and wins, protoss allins game 2 and wins, starcraft 2 is an awsome macro game
Well you'll love game 3!
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grrrrrr GO THORZAIN! hold the cheese!
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Don't do Axlav. Please. Just don't.
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Can anyone explain whats the point of the third player?
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Scout your base please Thorzain T_T
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Anyone else have a slight inkling that Axslav just messed up the pylon placement haha? seems odd to proxy one gate only(in non pvp)
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Punish this baddie thorzain.
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Thorzain scouts the proxy gate in his base :o).
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On July 16 2011 09:30 Duoma wrote: Anyone else have a slight inkling that Axslav just messed up the pylon placement haha? seems odd to proxy one gate only(in non pvp) MC does it but on xelnaga caverns usually.
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Beautiful building placement from Thorzain allows him to hold off this 1 gate proxy!
Time to see how Axslav transitions out of this.
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You really need to get either bunkers or marauders up quick. Stalkers will kill you.
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That is a beautiful sim city
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I think Axslav gave away his cheese by not scouting with his probe which triggered Thorzain to check for cheese.
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So smart, sniping the pylon. Great composure.
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Beautiful play by ThorZain
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On July 16 2011 09:31 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:30 Duoma wrote: Anyone else have a slight inkling that Axslav just messed up the pylon placement haha? seems odd to proxy one gate only(in non pvp) MC does it but on xelnaga caverns usually.
But MC places the pylon such that he can put two gateways, at least every time I have seem him do it. Meh... I may just be uninformed.
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Why not show worker supply after the hold ? :/
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Wow, didnt know u could hold tht with a late bunker. Tht was a fantastic hold.
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lol, 1-1, game 3, CHEESE
I like the way Axslav transitioned out of that, he is behind but not THAT far behind. Still dumb to try and cheese ^^
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ThorZain making a fast third CC, boss
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Axslav did say he was gonna cheese every terran at MLG too
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double expo incoming from thorzain so sexy
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On July 16 2011 09:29 FagaX wrote: Can anyone explain whats the point of the third player? It's for some reason necessary for the map to not reveal the result so the games aren't spoiled before broadcast.
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On July 16 2011 09:34 DisaFear wrote: ThorZain making a fast third CC, boss Very smart. Saw cannons and knew axslav wouldn't be able to push any time soon.
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And Axlsav makes a fast third Nexus Aah this is killing my mind
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uhoh, why playing old Shakuras?
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Odd play by Axslav. Hidden expo when your opponent knows you can't pressure him at all is just strange. If Thorzain went for a break instead of macroing up it might have changed things.
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Axslav just expanded twice. And went for the dark shrine. Pretty crazy haha.
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when was this game played?
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UBER medivac micro
thorzain how you so gosu
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I'm rooting for axslav but he is bringing a knife to a gun fight this game. Thorzain's micro miles ahead of his.
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On July 16 2011 09:37 Sina92 wrote: when was this game played?
month+
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Axslav trying to hold off with dts, but Thorzain is doing way too much damage. He takes out Axslav's third and drops Axslav's main.
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Beautiful play ThorZaiN!
Congrats!
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Thorzain outclassing, a nice sight.
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I love the games and the production value in general, but out-of-date maps and only one player's supply makes it a little harder to watch.
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i was promised a 45 minute macro game!!! liars!!!
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ThorZaiN playing like a boss
This music reminds me of those songs they play at a spa you know with some sort of asian theme. Someone feeling the same?
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thorzain you fucking beast <3 terran king
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so thats it? 1 more set then its over?
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Shame these games are kinda old; would love to see what players are doing after NASL finals and such
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Thorzain prepares so well for his opponents he clearly knew that axslav has a very low APM and he pushed his multitasking to the brink because of it.
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Recommended Games: EG.Axslav vs. mouz.ThorZaIN + Show Spoiler [Recommended Games] ++ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 1?No (11) 48% Yes (7) 30% If you have time (5) 22% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 1? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 2?Yes (13) 62% No (6) 29% If you have time (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 2? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 3?Yes (19) 70% No (6) 22% If you have time (2) 7% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 3? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
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Very cute steampunk motif btw. I like it.
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On July 16 2011 09:42 Executor1 wrote: Thorzain prepares so well for his opponents he clearly knew that axslav has a very low APM and he pushed his multitasking to the brink because of it.
I don't think your point and your premise are necessarily connected.
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Destiny fighting! I think he can give Socke a run for his money.
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WHEEAAAAATTTT!!! Yeahh..... boiiii !
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I really like the variety of casters throughout this tournament. You get to hear so many different casting styles and different opinions.
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On July 16 2011 09:42 Joshy.IGN wrote:Recommended Games: EG.Axslav vs. mouz.ThorZaIN + Show Spoiler [Recommended Games] ++ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 1?No (11) 48% Yes (7) 30% If you have time (5) 22% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 1? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 2?Yes (13) 62% No (6) 29% If you have time (2) 10% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 2? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +Poll: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 3?Yes (19) 70% No (6) 22% If you have time (2) 7% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Axslav vs. ThorZaIN Game 3? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
When you create the LR threads in the future could you please include which casters who will cover each match plz? <3
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Destiny on col huh? How long ago were these games played?
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Oh dear this was recorded quite a while back.
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On July 16 2011 09:44 Zeroxk wrote: Destiny on col huh? How long ago were these games played?
About a month.
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On July 16 2011 09:42 pedigree wrote: so thats it? 1 more set then its over?
No, 3 more sets. See the OP.
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On July 16 2011 09:42 pedigree wrote: so thats it? 1 more set then its over?
No, 4 sets a day, Destiny Socke, Darkforce Mana, DDE Fenix and Thorzain, Axlav that we just saw.
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Hmm I guess I would like to see Destiny win since he is the underdog, but I also like Socke. Hopefully it's 2-1 either way.
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I'm assuming DJWheat hasn't been keeping up with the sc2 scene? Destiny isn't on Complexity anymore.
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On July 16 2011 09:45 Dingobloo wrote:No, 4 sets a day, Destiny Socke, Darkforce Mana, DDE Fenix and Thorzain, Axlav that we just saw. woot!!! <3
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On July 16 2011 09:44 Zeroxk wrote: Destiny on col huh? How long ago were these games played?
for serious that's some OLD news... and we all know DJWheat knows so the question is clearly "How many months ago did they play these games?"
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Watching Destiny play HuK, I reckon Destiny has a good chance
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I thought Destiny left complexity?
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On July 16 2011 09:43 Proko wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:42 Executor1 wrote: Thorzain prepares so well for his opponents he clearly knew that axslav has a very low APM and he pushed his multitasking to the brink because of it. I don't think your point and your premise are necessarily connected. Maybe not but they easily could be, thorzain has some of the best preparation of a western progamer IMO and he could have easily taken that into account when developing strategies.
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On July 16 2011 09:46 ptbl wrote: I'm assuming DJWheat hasn't been keeping up with the sc2 scene? Destiny isn't on Complexity anymore.
rofl that would be sad if true but we all know its not seeing these games were played like 1+month ago
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On July 16 2011 09:46 felizuno wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:44 Zeroxk wrote: Destiny on col huh? How long ago were these games played? for serious that's some OLD news... and we all know DJWheat knows so the question is clearly "How many months ago did they play these games?"
The stuff happened lastest in June. So it's not OLD years that's months ago. At most it's June.
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On July 16 2011 09:46 ptbl wrote: I'm assuming DJWheat hasn't been keeping up with the sc2 scene? Destiny isn't on Complexity anymore.
He was probably on Complexity when this was recorded.
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On July 16 2011 09:46 Ezze wrote: I thought Destiny left complexity? He did i guess they dont cast the replays live. They must have it all prerecorded from weeks ago.
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On July 16 2011 09:46 Ezze wrote: I thought Destiny left complexity? These games are all pre-recorded and played a long time ago. The tournament is done but now they are now actually airing it for us
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49% think Destiny will win? Little surprising, considering Destiny hasn't really won anything ever as far as i know.
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ugh, these matches are hard to watch without the supply/resource comparisons on the top right.
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That's an awful lot of spines against a forge fast expand isn't it?
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It kind of sucks this was played a while ago, as it doesnt represent the current trends in the game =( oh well.
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Destiny has improved a lot compared to a month ago. I'm not sure if these games represent the current skill levels of the players.
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On July 16 2011 09:46 ptbl wrote: I'm assuming DJWheat hasn't been keeping up with the sc2 scene? Destiny isn't on Complexity anymore. This was recorded quite a while ago, it's the only major problem with the IPL is how out of date the games are. Wheat is more up to date with the SC2 than just about everyone.
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ooo neural parasite always leads to fun stuff
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im wondering what is the point of spending 150 gas on blink when you have no stalkers =/
well a few now, still, with the HTs that is a LOT of gas. this build definitely has holes.
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Forcefield buildings? That's smart.
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LOL.. Socke just pushing archons into position!
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On July 16 2011 09:52 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:46 ptbl wrote: I'm assuming DJWheat hasn't been keeping up with the sc2 scene? Destiny isn't on Complexity anymore. This was recorded quite a while ago, it's the only major problem with the IPL is how out of date the games are. Wheat is more up to date with the SC2 than just about everyone. Agreed i love the production of IPL but i wish they would play games week by week and then cast it live like TSL.
Having month old games doesnt show the current trends in the matchups wich is a bit unfortunate.
I like the fact that they cast fromm replays thats fine, its alot smoother than NASL i just wish that they wouldnt play it all out and then cast it, if these games were cast a month ago there isnt any good reason why they couldnt have started broadcasting 2-3 weeks ago for instance. I mean the production is nice but it doesnt seem like it would take a full month to add in a few graphics. I think they just want to complete the tournament before they broadcast it wich doesnt make much sense to me.
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On July 16 2011 09:49 carltron wrote: ugh, these matches are hard to watch without the supply/resource comparisons on the top right.
It's not that big a deal. I prefer that the matches not be spoiled.
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Socke going for mass feedback but doesnt feedback all the infestors? Wouldnt it be better just to storm the shit out of the infestors...
Ok Socke storms now - but on the roaches... Wtf Socke playing horrible?!
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destiny doing well so far :D
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This is why I've never really jumped aboard the infestor train in this match-up. They're too fucking slow and templar is already a good tech to go down. still prefer bane drops, especially given the mineral line harass opportunities
maybe im a noob. i just dont trust that shit off creep. just banking on good engagements all the time
edit: and wow, djwheat's idea about highlighting and seeing the supply of the selected units is pretty sick
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On July 16 2011 09:57 KimJongChill wrote: destiny doing well so far :D
he has..?
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Is it me or is the overlay a bit bigger than necessary?
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On July 16 2011 09:56 Proko wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:49 carltron wrote: ugh, these matches are hard to watch without the supply/resource comparisons on the top right. It's not that big a deal. I prefer that the matches not be spoiled. How would showing supply/ resources on the top right spoil it?
I guess if one person is behind in supply you might beable to call the match, but its pretty standard for almost every other tournament to show it and ive never ever heard a single complaint about it.
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On July 16 2011 09:59 vyyye wrote: Is it me or is the overlay a bit bigger than necessary?
yes it is most people think that too
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Destiny's build seems all over the place. Adrenal before +2, hive 3 min before it's used, etc.
I feel he's only been doing good in this game because socke is playing a little bad.
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One of these days zergs are going to chuck a huge stink about that cliff.
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On July 16 2011 09:57 eYeball wrote: Socke going for mass feedback but doesnt feedback all the infestors? Wouldnt it be better just to storm the shit out of the infestors...
Ok Socke storms now - but on the roaches... Wtf Socke playing horrible?! This was over a month ago, socke has been playing alot better recently i felt like he was slumping a little bit a month or so ago.
Edit: not that hes actually playing that bad, but in the past week or 2 he has showed some really impressive games, especially against sen in the NASL playoffs.
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On July 16 2011 10:00 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:57 eYeball wrote: Socke going for mass feedback but doesnt feedback all the infestors? Wouldnt it be better just to storm the shit out of the infestors...
Ok Socke storms now - but on the roaches... Wtf Socke playing horrible?! This was over a month ago, socke has been playing alot better recently i felt like he was slumping a little bit a month or so ago.
Probably your right, I've seen Socke play so much better..
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This is a very back and forth game! Reminds me of Brood War.
Feels good
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If you watch destiny's stream lately you can see how he has refined this build. i was really impressed watching him on the Korean server today.
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Destiny is playing horrible compared to his current play. Bad rallying, slow reaction time, etc
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On July 16 2011 10:02 Chodes wrote: If you watch destiny's stream lately you can see how he has refined this build. i was really impressed watching him on the Korean server today.
Me too, esp the games against Huk, those were wicked sick macro games
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how does socke have so little on 5 bases..? I know they're trading but still.
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On July 16 2011 09:59 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:56 Proko wrote:On July 16 2011 09:49 carltron wrote: ugh, these matches are hard to watch without the supply/resource comparisons on the top right. It's not that big a deal. I prefer that the matches not be spoiled. How would showing supply/ resources on the top right spoil it? I guess if one person is behind in supply you might beable to call the match, but its pretty standard for almost every other tournament to show it and ive never ever heard a single complaint about it. Nono, it's part of the map function. It won't spoiler the results for anyone looking at the map history, but unfortunately, for the early part of the tournament, the map designer wasn't able to implement both the hidden results and multiple supply counters in the top left.
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On July 16 2011 10:03 DisaFear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:02 Chodes wrote: If you watch destiny's stream lately you can see how he has refined this build. i was really impressed watching him on the Korean server today. Me too, esp the games against Huk, those were wicked sick macro games Yea overall his ZvP is very good beating huk is no easy feat >.<
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What is destiny's plan here? just get every kind of thing on 100 bases ?
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NOT THAT SOUND AGAIN!?!?!
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did it just lag out during the best engagement for anyone else? this is so lame
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Terrible time for the stream to start crashing out.
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Worst time ever for that stream crash.
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Sounded like someone logged out of windows, rofl...
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rofl in the big fight, nice one
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destiny wins. but why the lag?
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Fail stream again, crashes in the second bo3 series... just awesome
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Lmfao!!! The stream goes down in the middle of the biggest fight of the match and the chat completely explodes... then 100 people are banned from chat for caps.
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NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! WHY RIGHT THEN OF ALL TIMES!?!?!?!
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NOOOOOOOOOO but i heard "looks like zerg is going to be able to win this---" cut off
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My stream died as well but I think Destiny came out on top of that big battle.
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I think they have some security issue worth looking into :/
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Someone needs to run Windows Update a little earlier before the cast
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On July 16 2011 10:06 MCDayC wrote: Beep? Sounds like the windows logging out sound.
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Stream is down on their end right? Or is my internet acting up...
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What just happened? lol sounded like windows shutting down sound
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Can they turn off power saving mode on the streaming computer?
Is it so hard to do?!
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Wow well placed crash. GG computer. I think destiny had that anyway
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OMG. Right at the biggest battle. What the heck.
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Well this blows chunks, i was getting really excited about that engagement.
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lmfao 30minutes of macroing up and the stream crashes at the major battle.
This make me suspect the DDoS kid is at work again :/
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WOW, I just got interrupted by some side things for most of the destiny vs socke game, and reload it (takes a long time for it to load 720+ for me, but then it runs smoothly once it's up)....and then the stream immediately goes offline T.T
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wheat forgot to turn of his Autoshutdown... happens to me all the time.
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Sina92 wrote: destiny won
great ^^
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and he's going to fungal, excuse me, neural parasite the immortals *random sound* WOOOW
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Seriously? They gotta fix the streaming computer. Sorry IGN, but this last one was really bad timed.
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Ryzu wrote:Someone needs to run Windows Update a little earlier before the cast
That's exactly what I was thinking. I was gaming with a friend 2 nights ago, and all of a sudden he left vent and the game.... he didn't notice the update.
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I think we saw every unit except for carriers and a mothership.
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Come on ipl..?
You've gotta do better than this.
Day 2 and you're losing me.. and afaik a few viewers more
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what mistakes did socke make? infestors so strong
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Windows Update 1 - 0 IPL
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Its been long since I've been on the edge of my seat during a starcraft game, but holy shit. That has to be the worst timing for a stream to go down ever. I lobbed my mouse into the wall haha.
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Im pretty sure destiny won, but awesome lag/stream fail timing. Destiny looking impressive taking out socke this easily.
edit: nvm its too laggy to tell who won/is winning
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^^ first I thought it was my computer messing up
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anyone else still having it lag
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Mioraka wrote: lmfao 30minutes of macroing up and the stream crashes at the major battle.
This make me suspect the DDoS kid is at work again :/
No......
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On July 16 2011 10:07 chrissummers wrote:what mistakes did socke make? infestors so strong Socke did the mistake of playing against an infestor user
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Went from pseudo 12k viewers to 5k viewers. these guys cant catch a break. not even their fault
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Infestors are pretty good....
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This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_-
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On July 16 2011 10:08 dhe95 wrote: anyone else still having it lag
Ya it's unwatchable right now.
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On July 16 2011 10:08 eYeball wrote:Windows Update 1 - 0 IPL uhh, 2-0. And it's BO3
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Is this Tal'Darim SE? Minimap looks different from LE.
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On July 16 2011 10:08 dhe95 wrote: anyone else still having it lag really laggy =[
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Sorry if this has been asked before, but are these replays or live matches?
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.... thats very very annoying.
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Tiazi wrote:Come on ipl..? You've gotta do better than this. Day 2 and you're losing me.. and afaik a few viewers more was at almost 12 k before the crash now its at 8, i dont think they are all going to come back, that is a very expensive crash for them
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wow, stream so terrible right now
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On July 16 2011 10:10 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:07 Tiazi wrote:Come on ipl..? You've gotta do better than this. Day 2 and you're losing me.. and afaik a few viewers more was at almost 12 k before the crash now its at 8, i dont think they are all going to come back, that is a very expensive crash for them 9.5 right now, it'll improve
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We're sorry for the issues, we were trying to clean up the brightness issue from last night and it screwed up another setting that is causing the computer to freeze up. We should have it locked down now.
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On July 16 2011 10:09 Chodes wrote:Went from pseudo 12k viewers to 5k viewers. these guys cant catch a break. not even their fault
Turning off windows update before playing the recording isn't their fault?
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Stream has interlacing too..quality really bad for this match.
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It's also not Windows Update
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On July 16 2011 10:09 Devolved wrote:uhh, 2-0. And it's BO3
Lol. Hopefully they avoid this in the future...
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On July 16 2011 10:10 Jimbo42092 wrote: Sorry if this has been asked before, but are these replays or live matches? They are replays, and also it isnt casted live from replays its all just prerecorded.
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On July 16 2011 10:10 Alex.IGN wrote: We're sorry for the issues, we were trying to clean up the brightness issue from last night and it screwed up another setting that is causing the computer to freeze up. We should have it locked down now. Thx for the infos!
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On July 16 2011 10:10 Alex.IGN wrote: We're sorry for the issues, we were trying to clean up the brightness issue from last night and it screwed up another setting that is causing the computer to freeze up. We should have it locked down now. thanks for your instant replies, really appreciate those. but still kinda laggy.
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Is it a problem on my end, or is the stream skipping occasionally/lagging?
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On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point.
Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet!
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On July 16 2011 10:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Is it a problem on my end, or is the stream skipping occasionally/lagging? Streams fine over here in Aus
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Why don't people go void ray colossus anymore?
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I think destiny's done he has no income , he has to win this battle.
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Socke should play like Puzzle did today just go and kite with protoss deathball and don't engage head on...
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why doesnt destiny burrow his roaches when the storms come? he needs to start doing that if hes not going to dodge
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On July 16 2011 10:13 IPA wrote: Insane game. Expected anything else? Socke's playing, he shits out awesome macro games like there's no tomorrow.
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thats game. well played by both.
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destiny somehow loses this....
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On July 16 2011 10:12 DisaFear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:11 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Is it a problem on my end, or is the stream skipping occasionally/lagging? Streams fine over here in Aus I have the same problem sometimes with justin.tv.
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That was really bad of destiny. leaving brood lords completely alone in the middle of the map...
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Still waiting on a response on what version of Tal'Darim this is. If this is the original GSL or the LE edition.
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Destiny kept going for army trades but never established a clear macro advantage while doing it by not droning up enough
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destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making
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On July 16 2011 10:13 RogerChillingworth wrote: Why don't people go void ray colossus anymore?
Too immobile and infestors really work well vs it.
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Destiny how why wha....
Just a mish-mash of sick moves and terrible mistakes.
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On July 16 2011 10:09 Silver777 wrote: Infestors are pretty good....
apparently not good enough :b
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socke plays so calm, very very nice play by both so far - destiny probably didnt realize hes on ~30 drones
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I feel like Destiny should have kept going ling, infestor, ultra and then he would have had a more mobile army to take out the expos as well as defending against the deathball.
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On July 16 2011 10:15 dabom88 wrote: Still waiting on a response on what version of Tal'Darim this is. If this is the original GSL or the LE edition. It's def not ladder edition. There are no rocks at the 3rd and only 1 geyser
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broodlords + ultras = lose
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On July 16 2011 10:15 Kala23 wrote: socke wins somehow
Well because of Destiny's decision making and macro. Also that brood control wasn't the best.
On an unrelated note, the stream chat is cancer. Too many trolls. I wish they would just be banned so chat could actually be used to have a reasonable conversation about the game, and not just people flaming the players and crying balance.
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On July 16 2011 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 dabom88 wrote: Still waiting on a response on what version of Tal'Darim this is. If this is the original GSL or the LE edition. It's def not ladder edition. There are no rocks at the 3rd and only 1 geyser GSL.
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On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making
The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk.
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On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet!
well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds
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On July 16 2011 10:15 Shellshock1122 wrote: That was really bad of destiny. leaving brood lords completely alone in the middle of the map...
Pros do it all the time. It's incredible to me how often it happens.
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Destiny should not have lost this game. Socke really pulled that back in his favor in the supreme late game.
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great comeback by socke. but very well played by destiny too!
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Sina92 wrote: destiny won
What a nice game. Yay Socke!
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destiny's portrait looks like leonidas and socke has crazy eyes
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Lol Socke's eyes in that profile drawing
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On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet!
Yeah, I don't give up based on first impressions. I'll continue watching this season I believe, atleast as much as I have time for.
edit: Socke fighting!
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Ahhhhh, that felt good. Nothing like seeing a swearing, badmouthing asshole get beat down.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 16 2011 10:18 Zeroxk wrote: Lol Socke's eyes in that profile drawing I know right A templar right there
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Man those dts really screwed him over. If he had been able to defend just a little better, some extra overseers or something he could've stuck that out.
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On July 16 2011 10:17 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk.
oh wow, that long ago?? hmm, so this was before the brofestor hit squad epiphany >_> No wonder he lost!! haha~
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On July 16 2011 10:18 MisterFred wrote: Ahhhhh, that felt good. Nothing like seeing a swearing, badmouthing asshole get beat down.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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On July 16 2011 10:17 Moralez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:15 dabom88 wrote: Still waiting on a response on what version of Tal'Darim this is. If this is the original GSL or the LE edition. It's def not ladder edition. There are no rocks at the 3rd and only 1 geyser GSL.
Thanks a lot. And I'm glad it's the original GSL edition, screw rocks.
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On July 16 2011 10:17 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk. That long? =/ Holy cow....that's a little too long to wait. The game and strats and player skill changes a lot in that time. be kinda weird to watch it knowing that.
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Poor broodlords, left all alone and killed
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On July 16 2011 10:18 Finrod1 wrote: great comeback by socke. but very well played by destiny too!
Not really, Destiny was ahead for so long he should have won. Dropping down to under-40 drones in the late late game was a terrible move on his part. He needed to have 2 bases running and 50-60 drones at least to keep up with Socke. The Protoss just outlasted him in a nice, calm manner.
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On July 16 2011 10:17 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 Shellshock1122 wrote: That was really bad of destiny. leaving brood lords completely alone in the middle of the map... Pros do it all the time. It's incredible to me how often it happens.
thats why on that map idrA goes ultras now on that map broods too slow
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On July 16 2011 10:17 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk.
months? hm,, people have been saying a feww weeks, oh well,, i can't say i care much ^_^
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On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds Like I said... the opposite
(not insinuating one is all perfect and one is all terrible)
(ok, I kind of was...)
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On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky
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On July 16 2011 10:17 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:15 Shellshock1122 wrote: That was really bad of destiny. leaving brood lords completely alone in the middle of the map... Pros do it all the time. It's incredible to me how often it happens.
But besides that Socke did a great Job harassing. At one point Destiny had a big advantage ans Socke played calmly clawing his way back
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On July 16 2011 10:18 MisterFred wrote: Ahhhhh, that felt good. Nothing like seeing a swearing, badmouthing asshole get beat down.
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On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky
go back to reddit plz >_<
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Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me.
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On July 16 2011 10:18 MisterFred wrote: Ahhhhh, that felt good. Nothing like seeing a swearing, badmouthing asshole get beat down.
Oh man he swears and badmouths!! What a piece of scum! Oh wait, so do half the pros. You really care that a player uses "big boy words"? Is this a joke? Lmfao...
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On July 16 2011 10:19 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:17 ptbl wrote:On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk. That long? =/ Holy cow....that's a little too long to wait. The game and strats and player skill changes a lot in that time. be kinda weird to watch it knowing that.
DJWheat said Destiny was on Complexity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232786 shows announcement was on the 13th of June. So it's safe to say these games are at max a month old. More likely something around 3 weeks. This notion of it's soooooo long ago is rather funny.
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On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky I find nasl more entertaining too. better players, better atmosphere. IPL feels like I'm watching games on youtube.
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On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< Damn nice counter troll statement touche sir
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On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky
ROFL i wish i was incontrol...... everything i said was true not hating on anything.
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On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< lol, nice to see you on the forums? What's your opinion on that game? Did Destiny just throw it away, or was it Socke's resilience that gave him the win.
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On July 16 2011 10:21 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me. I agree with that. Although its nice that we get to test out different formats and what not. Although the games are dated, the production quality should be somewhat better so that all the editing can get done and what not.
Although this tournament has run into some technical hiccups, I do appreciate how responsive it has been to its early faults. I predict great things for the later rounds.
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On July 16 2011 10:18 MisterFred wrote: Ahhhhh, that felt good. Nothing like seeing a swearing, badmouthing asshole get beat down.
Lul wat? That's so off topic omg at the randomness.
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On July 16 2011 10:21 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me.
Ya I do have to agree... it is strange that they need so much extra time, and it really does take away from the excitement for me as well.
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I would like to see the 'win'-dots be golden and rest be black or something. After 2 days i got used to this, but it's still a bit 'confusing' when the player down 1 game has less golden dots than the player who is up a game.
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On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< Haha what's with these conspiracy theories against you? Incontrol is obviously not afraid to voice his opinion on his own account, so accusing him of smurfing just seems a little.... dumb
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On July 16 2011 10:22 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:19 Tachion wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 ptbl wrote:On July 16 2011 10:15 seoul_kiM wrote: destiny is so bad lol.....36 drones and leaves his broodlords alone...like these shouldnt be mistakes a "pro" should be making The games were played about 1-2 months ago. Destiny has vastly improved. Ask Huk. That long? =/ Holy cow....that's a little too long to wait. The game and strats and player skill changes a lot in that time. be kinda weird to watch it knowing that. DJWheat said Destiny was on Complexity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232786 shows announcement was on the 13th of June. So it's safe to say these games are at max a month old. More likely something around 3 weeks. This notion of it's soooooo long ago is rather funny.
im pretty sure he is casting off a replay, so the game could be played before then.
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socke is really thorough about scouting wow.
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On July 16 2011 10:19 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:17 IPA wrote:On July 16 2011 10:15 Shellshock1122 wrote: That was really bad of destiny. leaving brood lords completely alone in the middle of the map... Pros do it all the time. It's incredible to me how often it happens. thats why on that map idrA goes ultras now on that map broods too slow
Also Nestea was going ultras on it over a month ago :D
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On July 16 2011 10:23 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< lol, nice to see you on the forums? What's your opinion on that game? Did Destiny just throw it away, or was it Socke's resilience that gave him the win.
well since I'm apparently a INc smurf. It was destiny playing bad and giving it away
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On July 16 2011 10:24 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:23 MCDayC wrote:On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< lol, nice to see you on the forums? What's your opinion on that game? Did Destiny just throw it away, or was it Socke's resilience that gave him the win. well since I'm apparently a INc smurf. It was destiny playing bad and giving it away Ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up.
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If you're going to cast something from replays the TSL way is pretty much the only way to do it. After the NASL we have been really spoiled by online tournament casting. There's not the sense of urgency that we experienced with the NASL. This just feels less exciting and I find it really sad that I feel that way, but I do.
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Hmmmm. Did Destiny make too many defensive buildings?
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On July 16 2011 10:26 TranceStorm wrote: Hmmmm. Did Destiny make too many defensive buildings?
he made expand now defenses it
don't hate !
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On July 16 2011 10:26 TranceStorm wrote: Hmmmm. Did Destiny make too many defensive buildings?
Or maybe he made too few defensive buildings and too late?
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Every time I cheer for a zerg its 95% certain they will let me down, bah humbug. Going to bed.
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On July 16 2011 10:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:20 iNcontroL wrote:On July 16 2011 10:20 Chodes wrote:On July 16 2011 10:17 Whiteman103 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:12 _Mittens wrote:On July 16 2011 10:09 Shika wrote: This is the first time I watch the IPL. I have ignored it before but figured i'll give it a shot tonight. First impression, not a very good one. -_- Give it another shot. The IPL is VERY well made. The day after the first broadcast they put out a huge post on Reddit listing the criticism they were getting and how they were going to fix each point. Just picture the opposite of the NASL. Some temporary stream troubles shouldn't turn you away just yet! well nasl actually has a set not just a voice over with replays. also it is almost live 2 days instead of 1+month for the early rounds nice try iNc smurfing an account to defend the NASL sneaky sneaky go back to reddit plz >_< Haha what's with these conspiracy theories against you? Incontrol is obviously not afraid to voice his opinion on his own account, so accusing him of smurfing just seems a little.... dumb Serious post is Serious [trollface.img]
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On July 16 2011 10:23 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:21 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me. Ya I do have to agree... it is strange that they need so much extra time, and it really does take away from the excitement for me as well.
Hmmm... I have to... "sorta agree".
I feel the recording time definitely takes some of the excitement out of it, but I don't think it's needed for an event like IPL. Why? Because the IPL is like... a fun comedy... a good, 30 minute TV show... I watch it when I'm sorta just chillin', doing nothing, sometimes just leave it on while reading a different webpage and tune in in what I think are the best moments, etc.
When I want epicness I tune into the GSL, I turn off the lights, go fullscreen, and sit on my focused pose while screaming in epic moments. It's a different show, it fills a different niche imo.
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The stream is nice.
I do have some suggestions nevertheless:
Get better casters. I find your best caster is PainUser. All your other casters aren't actual good players and just go on vaguely commentating.
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Yo IGN, you've been sooooo good on the responses to problems, can you get some mods in the chat please? It's getting to be a joke.
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On July 16 2011 10:28 MistarMark wrote: The stream is nice.
I do have some suggestions nevertheless:
Get better casters. I find your best caster is PainUser. All your other casters aren't actual good players and just go on vaguely commentating.
They had Tasteosis on day 1 There's some casters for ya
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On July 16 2011 10:28 MistarMark wrote: The stream is nice.
I do have some suggestions nevertheless:
Get better casters. I find your best caster is PainUser. All your other casters aren't actual good players and just go on vaguely commentating. Tastosis anyone?
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Is it me or does Socke drop more cannons at his expo than like any other toss player? Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It does really well to stop destiny from abusing burrowed infestors and ling run-bys
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Your whole army on move command Socke? Really :|
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On July 16 2011 10:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is it me or does Socke drop more cannons at his expo than like any other toss player? Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It does really well to stop destiny from abusing burrowed infestors and ling run-bys
I think it's a style that european protosses does, I've seen WhiteRa do the same.
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Destiny! NP templar. :DDDDD
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destiny confirmed for baller
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man Storm is so good
I remember the Protoss QQ when Khaydarin Amulet was removed. Protoss would have been so overpowered by now if KA was still in the game. lol
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Ouch Socke got totally caught out of position in that attack but holds his 3rd. And then Destiny kills a ton of probes.
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That was the most amazing thing ever. Neural into Storm. Beast mode.
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wow that was pretty clever. havent seen someone do that yet
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On July 16 2011 10:28 MistarMark wrote: Get better casters.
Better casters? Dude, they have almost every caster in the world XD
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haha those storms were great
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Wow that was awesome! I have always thought about pros doing that, but to actually see it! :D !!!
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NP storms were fucking epic. Never ever see that.
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Wow, might be the first time I am ever speechless watching SC2 lol. Was not ready for that.
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Wow.... It took me a second to realize Socke was not storming his own probes. Epic play by Destiny.
Edit: That's gotta go in the IPL 2 high-light reel!!!!
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On July 16 2011 10:31 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is it me or does Socke drop more cannons at his expo than like any other toss player? Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It does really well to stop destiny from abusing burrowed infestors and ling run-bys I think it's a style that european protosses does, I've seen WhiteRa do the same. It's smart, as you always have extra minerals. May as well use them.
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That was amazing. socke would of been better off not moving his probes at all instead that full mana parasited templar just went to work.
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That was incredible. Such a sweet zerg storm steal drop.
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On July 16 2011 10:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is it me or does Socke drop more cannons at his expo than like any other toss player? Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It does really well to stop destiny from abusing burrowed infestors and ling run-bys
I think he's just countering Destiny's style. Destiny needs to be able to sorta, "blitz" over Socke's bases. That many cannons makes it so he can't they take time to get killed.
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On July 16 2011 10:30 eAzydaman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:28 MistarMark wrote: The stream is nice.
I do have some suggestions nevertheless:
Get better casters. I find your best caster is PainUser. All your other casters aren't actual good players and just go on vaguely commentating. They had Tasteosis on day 1 There's some casters for ya
Well they should keep using Tastosis. Give them as much money as they want .
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On July 16 2011 10:31 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: Is it me or does Socke drop more cannons at his expo than like any other toss player? Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It does really well to stop destiny from abusing burrowed infestors and ling run-bys I think it's a style that european protosses does, I've seen WhiteRa do the same.
Actually, I think Socke must have studied destiny's games. If you watch his stream, the heavy infestor style is completely countered by the fast HT style.
And destiny LOVES going to the back of the mineral line to fungal, it's what he does at the consistent basis.
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On July 16 2011 10:32 MCDayC wrote: That was the most amazing thing ever. Neural into Storm. Beast mode.
This. Just awesome.
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He should steel a probe and build a nexus at his base
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Socke unfortunately got manhandled there. Lovely play.
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come on socke don't lose to destiny ffs T_T
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nice, clutch neural storm won that i think.
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On July 16 2011 03:41 lolsixtynine wrote: Wow, people are actually voting for Destiny? Socke is a top level pro, Destiny is going to get rolled.
How long does this event last?
Rolled huh? rofl We at least have a tight series here.
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On July 16 2011 10:35 MrKn4rz wrote:He should steel a probe and build a nexus at his base
That is a tactic reserved only for combat-ex and deezer.
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On July 16 2011 03:41 lolsixtynine wrote: Wow, people are actually voting for Destiny? Socke is a top level pro, Destiny is going to get rolled.
How long does this event last?
hahahaha. Destiny seems pretty deece right now
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These games are entertaining as fuck.
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Lol, Destiny is still complexity when DjWheat cast this,
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This has been a surprisingly fun series to watch :D Good stuff from both players so far
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Seriously guys, SC legacy needs to bring back their Pimpest Play lists for SC2 that was so god damn brilliant by destiny
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Destiny controlled that game beautifully. Especially that huge move at Socke's 3rd made that game quite brilliant.
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On July 16 2011 10:28 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:23 Chicane wrote:On July 16 2011 10:21 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me. Ya I do have to agree... it is strange that they need so much extra time, and it really does take away from the excitement for me as well. Hmmm... I have to... "sorta agree". I feel the recording time definitely takes some of the excitement out of it, but I don't think it's needed for an event like IPL. Why? Because the IPL is like... a fun comedy... a good, 30 minute TV show... I watch it when I'm sorta just chillin', doing nothing, sometimes just leave it on while reading a different webpage and tune in in what I think are the best moments, etc. When I want epicness I tune into the GSL, I turn off the lights, go fullscreen, and sit on my focused pose while screaming in epic moments. It's a different show, it fills a different niche imo.
But this is a $50,000 league. It should have some serious epicness to it. Yesterday on Live On 3 they were saying how the NASL finals didn't seem like a $100k finals and I feel the same way about the IPL.
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Good games!
But what is the reson for haveing so old replays and not haveing them play a few days or a week before? <.<
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That was great, he was totally blocked off from infestor play and he just said, hey there's a way I can salvage this. These have both been great games, but I really think destiny would win easily if they played today.
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NP'ing casters is so great :D Like when DarKFoRcE NP'd a Ghost and EMP'd all other Ghosts with it (vs Brat_OK I think) This probe storm was equally awesome
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I personally disable ads when I'm watching stuff like IPL. They have scheduled breaks anyway, I might as well support IPL by watching ads instead of nothing if I'm going to have to wait either way.
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Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam
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One of the worst stream chats I've ever seen on jtv. People really have no class at all.
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I love how wheat has no idea Destiny is not on Col
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destiny got lucky with sockes army going haywire cuz of xelnagas pathing at the third
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On July 16 2011 10:35 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:41 lolsixtynine wrote: Wow, people are actually voting for Destiny? Socke is a top level pro, Destiny is going to get rolled.
How long does this event last?
Rolled huh? rofl We at least have a tight series here.
must be the lag
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On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam
Just turn off the chat
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Neural storm Pimpest Play
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On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam
Disable chat.
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On July 16 2011 10:37 Dark.Carnival wrote:destiny got lucky with sockes army going haywire cuz of xelnagas pathing at the third
socke controlled his army poor on xelnaga, a map known for causing faulty pathing :b see what i did there?
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On July 16 2011 10:37 CrispyTender wrote: I love how wheat has no idea Destiny is not on Col
these games were played when root combined with col and before destiny left
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On July 16 2011 10:37 CrispyTender wrote: I love how wheat has no idea Destiny is not on Col
i love how you have no idea that these games where palyed 1+ month ago
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On July 16 2011 10:37 CrispyTender wrote: I love how wheat has no idea Destiny is not on Col This was recorded a long time ago right as Destiny was signed to Col. Wheat knows for sure. He talked about it on Live on Three.
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On July 16 2011 10:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: These games are entertaining as fuck.
Haha my thoughts exactly!
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On July 16 2011 10:38 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:37 Dark.Carnival wrote:destiny got lucky with sockes army going haywire cuz of xelnagas pathing at the third socke controlled his army poor on xelnaga, a map known for causing faulty pathing :b see what i did there? No, it was a fluke.
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On July 16 2011 10:37 Ryzu wrote: One of the worst stream chats I've ever seen on jtv. People really have no class at all.
Stream chatters are literally the scum of the earth. Hide it, for the love of god.
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On July 16 2011 10:34 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:32 MCDayC wrote: That was the most amazing thing ever. Neural into Storm. Beast mode. This. Just awesome. Yeah, that was one of the best moves I've seen in a long while.
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On July 16 2011 10:36 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:28 mordk wrote:On July 16 2011 10:23 Chicane wrote:On July 16 2011 10:21 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, I have to say, the format is starting to bother me too.
When I look at some of the play I'm seeing, I realize how quickly the skill for some of these guys becomes dated. Some players, like Destiny, are so much better now than they were a month ago.
I feel like having the show produced a week after the game is played and doing that every week would be better for me. I just... don't feel excited the same way knowing that the finals have already wrapped up as well, I dunno, knowing something is live adds excitement, knowing something is recent keeps it somewhat exciting but month old games don't really do it for me. Ya I do have to agree... it is strange that they need so much extra time, and it really does take away from the excitement for me as well. Hmmm... I have to... "sorta agree". I feel the recording time definitely takes some of the excitement out of it, but I don't think it's needed for an event like IPL. Why? Because the IPL is like... a fun comedy... a good, 30 minute TV show... I watch it when I'm sorta just chillin', doing nothing, sometimes just leave it on while reading a different webpage and tune in in what I think are the best moments, etc. When I want epicness I tune into the GSL, I turn off the lights, go fullscreen, and sit on my focused pose while screaming in epic moments. It's a different show, it fills a different niche imo. But this is a $50,000 league. It should have some serious epicness to it. Yesterday on Live On 3 they were saying how the NASL finals didn't seem like a $100k finals and I feel the same way about the IPL. I really don't see why it would take so long for the production since they use the same template for every game it seems like they could just cast the games and add the overlays in just a few days. Maybe it has something to do with getting all the different casters available or something. :s
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It's so much fun watching Destiny. Gotta love creative zerg play, not just doing standard stuff.
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On July 16 2011 10:38 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam Disable chat.
Doesn't work
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really cool set between socke and destiny, interesting zerg play!
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As much as I love DJwheat, he's not that great as a solo caster.....he needs people with more knowledge about the game to be more interesting.
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On July 16 2011 10:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:38 dabom88 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam Disable chat. Doesn't work
Watch on the TL imbed. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague
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On July 16 2011 10:42 Ansalem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 16 2011 10:38 dabom88 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam Disable chat. Doesn't work Watch on the TL imbed. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague
yea i never watch on JTV always use TL
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This is MC harass air style! keep going lol
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Way under-preparing from destiny.
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ugh, stargate play destroys infestor play. smart by socke.
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Void rays charging their lasers on the rocks to Destiny's main.
The old version of this map is such bullshit lol
Smart move though! Seems to be working pretty well.
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On July 16 2011 10:44 Vocis wrote: when does idra play?
yesterday
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Destiny loves his infestors. Especially when they come out early.
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On July 16 2011 10:44 Tachion wrote:yesterday lolol
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How old this game can see only 1 persons food at a time lol?
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On July 16 2011 10:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:38 dabom88 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam Disable chat. Doesn't work
What the above guys said, watch on TL. If you want to watch it on JTV, just block it using a script blocker like Adblock or NoScript.
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On July 16 2011 10:44 Vocis wrote: when does idra play?
Yesterday, then first day next week I assume for winners round 2.
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On July 16 2011 10:44 KimJongChill wrote: ugh, stargate play destroys infestor play. smart by socke. not necessarily, destiny has advocated on his stream how infestors work wonders against stargate units
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ughh old version of shakuras so lame
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Why is this old version of shakuras still in a tournament? Didn't we decide ages ago that it was bad?
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Destiny stopped making drones? I feel this is over already, later third and was 15 drones behind..
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On July 16 2011 10:46 Shellshock1122 wrote: ughh old version of shakuras so lame
At the very least, close spawns are disabled, which is okay. The main problem with old Shakuras was close spawns.
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On July 16 2011 10:46 onmach wrote: Why is this old version of shakuras still in a tournament? Didn't we decide ages ago that it was bad?
At the time it was the only one available as cloaked (to hide the results) they apparently use the updated one in the later rounds.
Edit: But yeah, this is a perfect example of why this is such a bad map to play on competitively. just walks straight along those thin paths into the third.
Socke playing it exactly how it should be.
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On July 16 2011 10:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:38 dabom88 wrote:On July 16 2011 10:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: Justintv needs to really remove that stupid time out shit
It's completely filling my screen up, blocking the stream window, because assholes in chat can't help but caps spam Disable chat. Doesn't work
LOL, drewbiesbowlcut getting a 10 minute time out
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Very nice games!! Really fun
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Socke is just so far ahead already. This will be tough for Destiny to win
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On July 16 2011 10:46 onmach wrote: Why is this old version of shakuras still in a tournament? Didn't we decide ages ago that it was bad?
the only Ghost map Shakuras they had at the time Alex said yesterday that later this is fixed not sure how much later though
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On July 16 2011 10:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: Socke is just so far ahead already. This will be tough for Destiny to win
Its soo over
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On July 16 2011 10:49 Leviance wrote: I heard a gg button
haha me too, what was that?
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Protoss about to be up by 2 bases >.< lol.
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Sad day for my fanboyism. I really want to see a Destiny upset.
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I picked Socke to win in the poll, but I feel like Destiny could have taken this series with the position he was in during game 1
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On July 16 2011 10:49 eAzydaman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: Socke is just so far ahead already. This will be tough for Destiny to win Its soo over
Not quite yet :3
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Wow I can't believe Destiny held that
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Wow Destiny manages to clean out Socke's army. But Destiny is still behind economy wise.
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oh wow, destiny's generally pretty good at engaging.
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little bit overconfident with that attack. wont matter though....
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I'm amazed Destiny is still in this.
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On July 16 2011 10:52 Bandino wrote: I'm amazed Destiny is still in this. He's really not in it though.
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Destiny would be ahead right now, but the map heavily favors socke with that free high ground base at destinys 4th =x
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How old is this game? Old version of Shakuras....and it's at least a few patches old because both players supply, minerals, and gas isn't showing.
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On July 16 2011 10:53 caboose_ wrote: How old is this game? Old version of Shakuras....and it's at least a few patches old because both players supply, minerals, and gas isn't showing.
It's the current patch, but this was the version of the map that was available as "cloaked" to hide the results.
And the cloak breaks the new 1v1 spectating overlays.
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Lol maps tend to split vertically -- somehow they managed to do it horizontally.
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im surprised by destinys play.. Even tho he lost he looked good in those 3 games.
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This is exactly why Shak was changed...
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On July 16 2011 10:53 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:53 caboose_ wrote: How old is this game? Old version of Shakuras....and it's at least a few patches old because both players supply, minerals, and gas isn't showing. It's the current patch, but this was the version of the map that was available as "cloaked" to hide the results.
Ahh ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Very nice play by Socke. I wish the first game was actually the last, it would have made it more interesting, but either way that was a nice series. Grats to Socke.
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a little bit too close vs destiny, come on socke.
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On July 16 2011 10:52 SafeAsCheese wrote: Destiny would be ahead right now, but the map heavily favors socke with that free high ground base at destinys 4th =x
wall off with 2 full energy sentry makes me feel sick to my stomach >:D
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On July 16 2011 10:52 Bandino wrote: I'm amazed Destiny is still in this.
he was only still in it because Socke Was using the Artosis rule
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Sigh, gg.
Destiny streams way to much for his own good in term of tournaments, especially when he does his unique heavy infestor play. Socke obviously has his style all figured out, and did the thing the completely counters it.
Of course the old Shakuras didn't help either. But then again, Socke used that map better than destiny did.
Still, props to destiny, he really improved a lot.
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Socke got them crazy eyes.
good games though, congrats to Socke
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On July 16 2011 10:54 Magicpop wrote: im surprised by destinys play.. Even tho he lost he looked good in those 3 games. You should have seen him against Huk and Slayers this week...
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Hahah, is Destiny casting right now? How ironic that his casting occurs right after his own game.
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Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework.
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On July 16 2011 10:53 sjschmidt93 wrote: Lol maps tend to split vertically -- somehow they managed to do it horizontally.
That's because this is the retarded old version of the map that not even Ladder players have to put up with anymore. This old map was way harder for zerg to play on.
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Destiny played well, and not to open up a shit storm, but two sentries stopping that roach counter at the natural made me cringe as a zerg player :o
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EURO's doing better tonight compared to yesterday.
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this is one high quality interview, great job IPL!
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I have to say,I'm impressed by Destiny. Socke is an amazing player,and Destiny would have won the first game and the series had not left all the broodlords by themselves. His infestor use is pretty brilliant (those storms in the second game OMG) and if he keeps improving,he should be able to go far in a future tournament.
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wow the lighting in this interview looks horrendous..are these real people?
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Whigger got owned hard, sold at the block, and raped. You should probably ban me (and Destiny) for saying things like this this.
And Socke didn't need to scout Destiny with his stream. The changeup in his build came in the third game when his opponent did the same thing the third time in a row. No hydras or mutas vs. voidrays and a few extra are easy to justify.
Edit: As others have noted, really good job by IGN putting the event together. Interesting to see the different styles between IPL 1 & 2. Anyone know if the finals will be played live?
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Honest question for any IGN people, why is that old version of Shakura's included in the map pool for this pro league?
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These Interviews are Baller mode.
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On July 16 2011 10:57 MisterFred wrote: Whigger got owned hard, sold at the block, and raped. You should probably ban me (and Destiny) for saying things like this this.
And Socke didn't need to scout Destiny with his stream. The changeup in his build came in the third game when his opponent did the same thing the third time in a row. No hydras or mutas vs. voidrays and a few extra are easy to justify.
Wow you must really hate Destiny, eh? Are you DDoS kid?
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cats' interviews are fucking phenomenal.
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Rofl that beard is pretty manly.
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Hahahaha, oh wow, Destiny thanking Root... such an old-school interview.
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From the other times I heard destiny speak, I would NEVER have guessed he looked like that lol.
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On July 16 2011 05:35 Megiddosc wrote: Since this was played a month ago I'm not sure how he'll do. If Socke uses HTs for feedback on the infestors then I imagine he'll have no trouble. I was wrong. Socke had a lot more trouble than I thought he would, and he meta-gamed the hell out of Destiny (which is fine, Destiny deserves it for ALWAYS using infestors).
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Destiny giving catspajamas the stare-down at the end there lol
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On July 16 2011 10:57 MisterFred wrote: Whigger got owned hard, sold at the block, and raped. You should probably ban me (and Destiny) for saying things like this this.
And Socke didn't need to scout Destiny with his stream. The changeup in his build came in the third game when his opponent did the same thing the third time in a row. No hydras or mutas vs. voidrays and a few extra are easy to justify.
Looking forward to that "by request", bro.
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On July 16 2011 10:59 mordk wrote: From the other times I heard destiny speak, I would NEVER have guessed he looked like that lol. Hehe, same! I dunno how I pictured him before, but it certainly wasn't like that :S
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On July 16 2011 10:59 mordk wrote: From the other times I heard destiny speak, I would NEVER have guessed he looked like that lol.
He always reminds me of justin timberlake -.- love destiny tho ;P
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On July 16 2011 10:59 legaton wrote: Hahahaha, oh wow, Destiny thanking Root... such an old-school interview.
Yeah, and even from the timings you can see in his builds now, the Destiny of today is leaps and bounds ahead of where he was even 1 month ago.
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They are really playing up the EU vs NA thing
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Darkforces pic looks pretty awesome compared to some of the others that just look downright creepy.
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On July 16 2011 10:59 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:35 Megiddosc wrote: Since this was played a month ago I'm not sure how he'll do. If Socke uses HTs for feedback on the infestors then I imagine he'll have no trouble. I was wrong. Socke had a lot more trouble than I thought he would, and he meta-gamed the hell out of Destiny (which is fine, Destiny deserves it for ALWAYS using infestors).
These matches are old, Destiny's been switching it up quite a bit lately in ZvP
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
HD makes everything sound dramatic, I love it!
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now gogogogo DarKFoRcE!!!!!!!!!
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On July 16 2011 11:01 Dingobloo wrote: Darkforces pic looks pretty awesome compared to some of the others that just look downright creepy. Especially Mana's.
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why is every league seemingly comprised of incompetent cunt buckets? what kind of person gives the okay to using that version of shakuras?
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lol what is this guessing game :D
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Yet again a matchup with 2 players I like, but I think Darkforce has this just because of Mana's weakness to Zerg (at least at the time these games were played). That will mean an early team kill with Darkforce and Socke.
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And just when you thought it couldn't get any creepier, MaNa gets the IPL 2 reboot xD xD I didn't have a problem with the rest of the pictures, but MaNa's is so bad it's too funny xD
Anyway, really nice series between Socke and Destiny
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On July 16 2011 11:01 MCDayC wrote: HD makes everything sound dramatic, I love it!
but it makes everything outstanding that happens in the game seem like a normal event.
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Just want to congratulate the IGN team, on the AMAZING graphics, overlays, transitions. All soo good and high quality. You guys are really a shining example as to how cool a show SC2 tournaments can produce. I hope that other leagues pay you guys some attention. Last season was amazing production style and I was keen to see if you could replicate it. And I have to say you have exceeded my expectations. Almost complete re-shuffle of graphics and production style and it keeps it fresh and entertaining. I LOVE it! Props props props! to you guys.!
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On July 16 2011 11:02 sigoly wrote: why is every league seemingly comprised of incompetent cunt buckets? what kind of person gives the okay to using that version of shakuras?
You're such a polite individual. Issue 6: You are using an old version of Shakuras! Solution: Unfortunately we had created a new cloaked version but turned out to not work. Players played on the old Shakuras until we brought in a corrected version. Implementation Date: This was already implemented, you will see newer versions of Shakuras in later rounds.
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PainUser shooting down everything HD is sayig. Haha.
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I'm not loving this as much as season 1. I can't really put my finger on it exactly.. I sorta feel like this is what the cast would be like if Tim Burton was doing the graphics, not a fan of that.
After all the live casts and all, it just feels overproduced and artificial. I personally, like the MLG/NASL weekends with shit going wrong, and crazy live casts and casters just having the live emotion. Just feels more raw and emotional. I'll of course keep watching because it is entertaining, and clean, but just feels fake almost.
I'm not usually a hater on anything, I like all the events and everything but I was really looking forward to this season and watched everything in IPL Season 1 but this just isn't as enjoyable to me. Someone tell me I'm wrong and just overthinking it.
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On July 16 2011 11:03 will.pity wrote: Just want to congratulate the IGN team, on the AMAZING graphics, overlays, transitions. All soo good and high quality. You guys are really a shining example as to how cool a show SC2 tournaments can produce. I hope that other leagues pay you guys some attention. Last season was amazing production style and I was keen to see if you could replicate it. And I have to say you have exceeded my expectations. Almost complete re-shuffle of graphics and production style and it keeps it fresh and entertaining. I LOVE it! Props props props! to you guys.!
agree with all but overlay
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Note: Hydrogen is flammable. Helium is not. The Hindenburg was filled with Hydrogen.
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Gosh HD scares me sometimes
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Lol HD and Painuser are quite amusing co-casting together. And Darkforce is expanding like crazy.
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drops against blink stalkers?......
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He unpowered the Cybercore and killed the forge with an upgrade half-way through, but he did almost no damage or whatever they said? -.-
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no sentries; darkforce needs to tech banelings
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Wow.. This game is really entertaining!
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ipl is having many connection issues its a disaster
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I love DarKFoRcE's play. He is everywhere. And as I write this, he loses everything
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On July 16 2011 11:15 rockerman101 wrote: ipl is having many connection issues its a disaster
? The games dropped out twice earlier for about 30 seconds but it's run smooth besides that. I'm not sure I'd call it a disaster.
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There is almost no way for zerg to come back at this point, he can't kill the high ground bases at the northwest or the choke base in the 12 o clock
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Mana is playing really really well, wow im so impressed with his defense, he such a young player and he seems to be getting alot better.
I havent seen anything this impressive since his second place at dreamhack winter.
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Why are they showing IdrA VS Cruncher again ? It was in TSL3, not IPL 2 !
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Mana is not very good about getting bases though, hes running on 2 bases only right now, he needs to grab another.
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I'm loving this version of Shakuras.. they should've kept this one all along
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this map is hell for playing ZvP, just pure joke
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haha, i love darkforce now :D
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Germany442 Posts
true words from df... cant win this map vs protoss....
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Good god, good sir! I loved BW Mana, maybe I can invest more time into his SC2 play. He does need more love.
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now the pressure is on darkforce to prove he can beat mana on a diff map... otherwise that's just bm
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Darkforce soooo salty. That was an awesome game though.
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On July 16 2011 11:21 vojnik wrote: this map is hell for playing ZvP, just pure joke
its nearly impossible
thank you darkforce for saying that
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On July 16 2011 11:21 vojnik wrote: this map is hell for playing ZvP, just pure joke What I love is how Zs were HAPPY to finally have a playable map at this time. Old Shakuras was a godsend.
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love the music in between the games
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Now that's a real ZvP on Shakuras. Good strategy by mana and darkforce.
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On July 16 2011 11:21 pedigree wrote: now the pressure is on darkforce to prove he can beat mana on a diff map... otherwise that's just bm
>> Sure thing friend.
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Didn't catch that, what did darkforce say?
Only got up to "Good god" :S
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old shakuras is pretty stupid to play on as zerg I dont think a single zerg has been able to win on that map in the IPL.
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Dunno if this has been answered in the this thread or yesterdays, but that is definitely a Zelda tune we are hearing during the ads time right?
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The ipl casters always say "we cant count him out just yet" when one player is horribly behind. Seriously they do this so much, someone should make a compilation of all the games they're doing this in, every time its obvious who won and they deny it.
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On July 16 2011 11:22 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Didn't catch that, what did darkforce say?
Only got up to "Good god" :S
something along the lines of, "you better thank whoever created this map pool," to indicate that his loss was attributed to an older version of Shakuras Plateau, in which the backdoor rocks were able to be abused, and create a frustrating liability for the zerg player.
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That shows very zerg favored.
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No supply depot at the ramp? Great job whoever chose the map pool.
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On July 16 2011 11:23 On_Slaught wrote: Dunno if this has been answered in the this thread or yesterdays, but that is definitely a Zelda tune we are hearing during the ads time right? I was wondering the same thing. It sounds like one of the songs from Ocarina
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It took a long time for protoss to figure out how to play that map I remember. At first it was the biggest map in the pool and one of the only ones you were guaranteed to not spawn super close to your opponent. But once tosses realized there was an easily defendable third and nat, or possibly a corridor directly into your opponent's main, the rest was history.
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On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework.
i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then.
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On July 16 2011 11:26 onmach wrote: It took a long time for protoss to figure out how to play that map I remember. At first it was the biggest map in the pool and one of the only ones you were guaranteed to not spawn super close to your opponent. But once tosses realized there was an easily defendable third and nat, or possibly a corridor directly into your opponent's main, the rest was history.
The cruncher style is hyper abusive of the narrow chokes on shakuras 1.1. Once protosses started to emulate crunchers playstyle on that map the matchup became pretty nightmarish.
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On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then.
Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small?
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Darkforce's drop play just doesn't work. It seems like Darkforce is making the necessary macro decisions, but the army engagements are just bad where he leaves units behind and is too stubborn to pull back his units.
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United States97248 Posts
Go Fenix! Why couldnt this be Liquibet T_T I'm 3/3 in the prediction poll so far lol
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On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then.
I personally have played (and been crushed by :D) Socke in a TL Open. He took 5 minutes to chill out and prepare for me.
I'm in diamond.
I feel like in a 50k tourney, he may have turned on Destiny's stream maybe once or twice before the games, although I'd be absolutely fascinated to hear from him how he prepares for matches like this.
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hard to get into these games if they are really more than a week or two old ><
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On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small?
In the world of a Socke fan, i guess >_>
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On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small?
na, but... a R1 groupstage match vs destiny is for his level probably^^
€: im not a fanboy, i just tell you how he is most of the time. getting tired from 10 games a day, compared to darkforce's 30 games a day. and he always takes 5 minutes before and in between games, no matter what
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my spidey sense tells me tastosis is next
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On July 16 2011 11:24 Newguy wrote: The ipl casters always say "we cant count him out just yet" when one player is horribly behind. Seriously they do this so much, someone should make a compilation of all the games they're doing this in, every time its obvious who won and they deny it. Oh come on, its the job of the caster to try to make the game as interesting as possible. If the casters kill off the game immediately by stating "well this game is over" when there is still some hope for the opposing player, then the game will continue and the casters will have nothing left to say. Although this may get a little bit annoying, its hardly the worst thing ever.
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I feel a little bad for DarkForce because I genuinely believe he outplayed Mana the first game, but oh well. Mana did play well and he definitely deserved to win that second game.
GG!
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On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small?
Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D
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On July 16 2011 11:38 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:24 Newguy wrote: The ipl casters always say "we cant count him out just yet" when one player is horribly behind. Seriously they do this so much, someone should make a compilation of all the games they're doing this in, every time its obvious who won and they deny it. Oh come on, its the job of the caster to try to make the game as interesting as possible. If the casters kill off the game immediately by stating "well this game is over" when there is still some hope for the opposing player, then the game will continue and the casters will have nothing left to say. Although this may get a little bit annoying, its hardly the worst thing ever.
No it is not, it is to cast.
Korean BW commentators were not afraid to say mistakes players made or when a game was basically over.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
DDE looks like he's about to kill a busfull of school children.
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Oh wow I had to afk for a bit... Mana beat Darkforce 2-0? D: Congrats to Mana!
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On July 16 2011 11:38 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:24 Newguy wrote: The ipl casters always say "we cant count him out just yet" when one player is horribly behind. Seriously they do this so much, someone should make a compilation of all the games they're doing this in, every time its obvious who won and they deny it. Oh come on, its the job of the caster to try to make the game as interesting as possible. If the casters kill off the game immediately by stating "well this game is over" when there is still some hope for the opposing player, then the game will continue and the casters will have nothing left to say. Although this may get a little bit annoying, its hardly the worst thing ever.
i think there should be them telling what they think and not trying to create fake Excitement. So when there is real Excitement not fake its more Exciting
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no tastosis on day2?! this is madness
tvt without funny commetary... is sooooooooo boring
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On July 16 2011 11:42 EEhantiming wrote:
Hahaha wow. I thought they were all supposed to look kind of strange and creepy, but dde's looks just like him, and Fenix matches up with the other pictures.
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On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D
do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol.
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On July 16 2011 11:43 Chicane wrote:Hahaha wow. I thought they were all supposed to look kind of strange and creepy, but dde's looks just like him, and Fenix matches up with the other pictures.
Drugdealer vs Stoned Nerd - hilarious pictures of both :/
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Aaaaa... what was Fenix thinking?!
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Very close supplies, Fenix tank count looks higher
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Ha wow the exact same APM, that's kind of amazing ha
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Is anyone else bothered by the fact that all the gears in those player portraits are going clockwise?
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321APM each of them.... lol
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On July 16 2011 11:59 Fighter wrote: Ha wow the exact same APM, that's kind of amazing ha
I caught that too ^ ^ ...how unusual!
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lol, how is that even possible haha~
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Shit, PainUser called the 2 reaper 2 SCV push. Extremely impressive.
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i don't really believe that DDE made 121 workers in that game lol.
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Is the FPS lowish for everybody? Or is it my computer? :|
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On July 16 2011 12:14 anonymitylol wrote: Is the FPS lowish for everybody? Or is it my computer? :| i noticed the drop too
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On July 16 2011 12:14 anonymitylol wrote: Is the FPS lowish for everybody? Or is it my computer? :| Seems choppy
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On July 16 2011 11:45 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol.
I don't agree with that. I think they're both the same. The only noteworthy Euro player is Naniwa while NA has Huk. None of the other players on both sides are "great players."
It just seems Europeans are quicker to overrate their players. Even Stefano gets called a "great player." You don't see half the hype around somebody like Sheth who has GSL wins that Euros put out for Stefano.
Just my opinion. Much ado about nothing really.
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I think I'm retarded. Anyways. GG Fenix
TvT is udder chaos.
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On July 16 2011 12:24 _Darwin_ wrote: I think I'm retarded. Anyways. GG Fenix
TvT is udder chaos.
Leave the cows out of this.
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On July 16 2011 12:29 biamila wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:24 _Darwin_ wrote: I think I'm retarded. Anyways. GG Fenix
TvT is udder chaos. Leave the cows out of this.
I wrote utter and changed it :D
Lol
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On July 16 2011 12:22 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:45 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol. I don't agree with that. I think they're both the same. The only noteworthy Euro player is Naniwa while NA has Huk. None of the other players on both sides are "great players." It just seems Europeans are quicker to overrate their players. Even Stefano gets called a "great player." You don't see half the hype around somebody like Sheth who has GSL wins that Euros put out for Stefano. Just my opinion. Much ado about nothing really.
Morrow, Thorzain, Hasuobs, Ret, White-Ra, and Naniwa are all very good players. The only NA players I'd put on that level are Huk, Idra, and Select. EU has a deeper talent pool even at the next tier of players. How many NA players are as good as Mana, Socke, Sjow, Darkforce, etc? There are certainly some good NA players, but imo EU has more.
Edit: On a completely different note, anyone know why IPL games aren't on liquibet////if they will be in the future?
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On July 16 2011 12:36 Akash1223 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:22 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 11:45 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol. I don't agree with that. I think they're both the same. The only noteworthy Euro player is Naniwa while NA has Huk. None of the other players on both sides are "great players." It just seems Europeans are quicker to overrate their players. Even Stefano gets called a "great player." You don't see half the hype around somebody like Sheth who has GSL wins that Euros put out for Stefano. Just my opinion. Much ado about nothing really. Morrow, Thorzain, Hasuobs, Ret, White-Ra, and Naniwa are all very good players. The only NA players I'd put on that level are Huk, Idra, and Select. EU has a deeper talent pool even at the next tier of players. How many NA players are as good as Mana, Socke, Sjow, Darkforce, etc? There are certainly some good NA players, but imo EU has more. Edit: On a completely different note, anyone know why IPL games aren't on liquibet////if they will be in the future?
I already mentioned Naniwa.
None of the others you mentioned are "great players." Thorzain has not done enough yet but he is debatable (but no more so than Idra for NA).
For all your Mana, Socke, Sjow, and Darkforce references you can throw out Major, Vibe, Fenix, Killer, Sheth, and Select for NA.
It's just my opinion that people who try and decide superiority between NA or Europe are generally biased toward one side (due to their favorites or country affiliation). None of those players are truly great. None of them are on the level of Koreans. It's much ado about nothing arguing this topic. Maybe when some of these players start putting up actual results (like Nani and Huk).
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So who won TSL by beating Naniwa? Who was in the Top4?
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Aww destiny It was a close series though.
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On July 16 2011 12:48 MrKn4rz wrote: So who won TSL by beating Naniwa? Who was in the Top4?
Some guy who couldn't get out of his group at Dreamhack.
I just think it's funny that people are arguing greatness for a group of guys who are like 3-100 (whatever stats Slasher always posts) against Koreans (like Moon and July). And I don't even consider those Koreans crushing them to be great Koreans.
Moon and July aren't great, so it's a little unfaithful to call somebody with one major online win a great player. There's Huk and Nani and all the rest have not distinguished themselves. Just my opinion.
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Naniwa hasn't proven himself against Koreans. He beat MC when he was sick, beat a code b Moon and also lost to those two. He was utterly raped by Losira at MLG. So yeah he won a PvP and against a Code B player. The only foreigners to prove they're currently code s level is Huk, who is average code s.
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Just woke up to see destiny knocked down to losers bracket, what a damn good way to wake up.
Europe has got this IPL in the bag i'm calling it now, Socke deserves a win after placing so well in EVERYTHING lately.
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On July 16 2011 12:44 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:36 Akash1223 wrote:On July 16 2011 12:22 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 11:45 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol. I don't agree with that. I think they're both the same. The only noteworthy Euro player is Naniwa while NA has Huk. None of the other players on both sides are "great players." It just seems Europeans are quicker to overrate their players. Even Stefano gets called a "great player." You don't see half the hype around somebody like Sheth who has GSL wins that Euros put out for Stefano. Just my opinion. Much ado about nothing really. Morrow, Thorzain, Hasuobs, Ret, White-Ra, and Naniwa are all very good players. The only NA players I'd put on that level are Huk, Idra, and Select. EU has a deeper talent pool even at the next tier of players. How many NA players are as good as Mana, Socke, Sjow, Darkforce, etc? There are certainly some good NA players, but imo EU has more. Edit: On a completely different note, anyone know why IPL games aren't on liquibet////if they will be in the future? I already mentioned Naniwa. None of the others you mentioned are "great players." Thorzain has not done enough yet but he is debatable (but no more so than Idra for NA). For all your Mana, Socke, Sjow, and Darkforce references you can throw out Major, Vibe, Fenix, Killer, Sheth, and Select for NA. It's just my opinion that people who try and decide superiority between NA or Europe are generally biased toward one side (due to their favorites or country affiliation). None of those players are truly great. None of them are on the level of Koreans. It's much ado about nothing arguing this topic. Maybe when some of these players start putting up actual results (like Nani and Huk). results show that eu is ahead. I dont think to many ppl argue that point. (look at TSL or NASL for example)
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On July 16 2011 12:54 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:48 MrKn4rz wrote: So who won TSL by beating Naniwa? Who was in the Top4? Some guy who couldn't get out of his group at Dreamhack. I just think it's funny that people are arguing greatness for a group of guys who are like 3-100 (whatever stats Slasher always posts) against Koreans (like Moon and July). And I don't even consider those Koreans crushing them to be great Koreans. Moon and July aren't great, so it's a little unfaithful to call somebody with one major online win a great player. There's Huk and Nani and all the rest have not distinguished themselves. Just my opinion.
You're wrong unfortunately. Many, many NA pros have admitted the EU server is far stronger than that of NA. It just has far more strong players, far more depth. I've heard it straight from people like Select, Huk, KawaiiRice, Kiwikaki, Drewbie etc. Thorzain may have not got out of his dreamhack group, but he did smash the only American in the group , Just like he 2-0'd Idra, 2-0'd Tyler, 2-0'd Machine and 4-1'd SeleCT at the last MLG. TSL top 4 were all European, NASL had 6 EU to 1 NA or something in the finals and 15 to 9 for NASL season 2. So many factors point to EU being the stronger server.
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On July 16 2011 16:05 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:54 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 12:48 MrKn4rz wrote: So who won TSL by beating Naniwa? Who was in the Top4? Some guy who couldn't get out of his group at Dreamhack. I just think it's funny that people are arguing greatness for a group of guys who are like 3-100 (whatever stats Slasher always posts) against Koreans (like Moon and July). And I don't even consider those Koreans crushing them to be great Koreans. Moon and July aren't great, so it's a little unfaithful to call somebody with one major online win a great player. There's Huk and Nani and all the rest have not distinguished themselves. Just my opinion. You're wrong unfortunately. Many, many NA pros have admitted the EU server is far stronger than that of NA. It just has far more strong players, far more depth. I've heard it straight from people like Select, Huk, KawaiiRice, Kiwikaki, Drewbie etc. Thorzain may have not got out of his dreamhack group, but he did smash the only American in the group , Just like he 2-0'd Idra, 2-0'd Tyler, 2-0'd Machine and 4-1'd SeleCT at the last MLG. TSL top 4 were all European, NASL had 6 EU to 1 NA or something in the finals and 15 to 9 for NASL season 2. So many factors point to EU being the stronger server.
I never said the server isn't better. In fact I believe that EU server is better. For both cultural reasons and size reasons. But the argument has nothing to do with servers but one of better top players. Better server relies on many factors.
Thorzain did not even win that group at MLG, Idra won it so I don't see your point there. Morrow also lost to Fenix and Vibe in the open bracket.
The point is there's very little separating players like Morrow, Sjow, and Thorzain from guys like Idra, Select, and Kiwikaki. The EU players are not better. None of these players have distinguished themselves as I've already stated. Only Huk and Nani have truly surpassed their peers.
It's the Koreans and everyone else. I don't even care to argue about this anymore because as I've already stated the people who try to argue EU or NA are usually biased for one side due to nationality/favorite players.
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No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall.
I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say.
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On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say.
There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player.
And saying Thorzain is far better than Select is pretty convenient but that brings up a good point that I'd like to make. Select was better than him for the entire beta and up until TSL 3 now Thorzain is better but you don't know where Select will be in the next few months. Thorzain didn't look so hot at Dreamhack or Homestory. Just trying to point out that making claims about who is better is very fleeting. Select was on top earlier now Thorzain is on top. Don't be so comfortable in your claims about who is better because it could change in six months. Especially with guys who aren't even playing top Koreans.
Personally, I'd rather not argue who is better because neither has done anything yet against the top players.
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On July 16 2011 12:44 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 12:36 Akash1223 wrote:On July 16 2011 12:22 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 11:45 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 11:40 Leviance wrote:On July 16 2011 11:33 spicyredcurry wrote:On July 16 2011 11:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 16 2011 10:55 eAzydaman wrote: Gah so sad. Socke had a nice counter build to destinys mass infestors though. He did his homework. i can guarantee you, that socke didnt watch a single game of destinys, he is not known to prepair for "minor" tours - his groupstage @ NASL vs IdrA he played with a laptop from his hotel bed, nexus cancelling 3 times.. just an example. + you can to take into concideration, that: - Socke faced an unique style no1 else plays, which is not easy. - The game is like 1 month old - socke was in a small slump back then. Please explain how IPL is a minor tournament. In what world is a 50k prize pool small? Don't bother argueing with DiaBoLuS about European SC2 players. He always finds the craziest excuses for everything, always has to mention EU > US and cannot stand a EU player being talked bad about. His long time sig used to be "EU = KR > NA face the facts!" and in every other comment he presents this opinion to everyone. Such an annoying person not only on this forum. Well he is Europe-Grandmaster after all as one can hardly not notice :D Why the rage you ask? Well, he always downtalks everything and everyone, always points out the negatives, now I felt doing that about him :D do you not agree EU is > NA for the most part? + show me comments i point that out, i sometimes do, but its quite normal since there is some rivelry. Every other thing you point out is just blablabla and bullshit, but hey, feel free to write 10 lines about a TL-user in the IPL2 thread - lol. I don't agree with that. I think they're both the same. The only noteworthy Euro player is Naniwa while NA has Huk. None of the other players on both sides are "great players." It just seems Europeans are quicker to overrate their players. Even Stefano gets called a "great player." You don't see half the hype around somebody like Sheth who has GSL wins that Euros put out for Stefano. Just my opinion. Much ado about nothing really. Morrow, Thorzain, Hasuobs, Ret, White-Ra, and Naniwa are all very good players. The only NA players I'd put on that level are Huk, Idra, and Select. EU has a deeper talent pool even at the next tier of players. How many NA players are as good as Mana, Socke, Sjow, Darkforce, etc? There are certainly some good NA players, but imo EU has more. Edit: On a completely different note, anyone know why IPL games aren't on liquibet////if they will be in the future? I already mentioned Naniwa. None of the others you mentioned are "great players." Thorzain has not done enough yet but he is debatable (but no more so than Idra for NA). For all your Mana, Socke, Sjow, and Darkforce references you can throw out Major, Vibe, Fenix, Killer, Sheth, and Select for NA. It's just my opinion that people who try and decide superiority between NA or Europe are generally biased toward one side (due to their favorites or country affiliation). None of those players are truly great. None of them are on the level of Koreans. It's much ado about nothing arguing this topic. Maybe when some of these players start putting up actual results (like Nani and Huk).
Agree with this... except for naniwa and huk, the top koreans are 10 times better than any other euro or NA player mentioned there. Major, Vibe, Fenix, Sheth, Killer, Kiwikaki and Select can take a BoX of any euro player -- except for naniwa -- any day, any time.
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On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. And saying Thorzain is far better than Select is pretty convenient but that brings up a good point that I'd like to make. Select was better than him for the entire beta and up until TSL 3 now Thorzain is better but you don't know where Select will be in the next few months. Thorzain didn't look so hot at Dreamhack or Homestory. Just trying to point out that making claims about who is better is very fleeting. Select was on top earlier now Thorzain is on top. Don't be so comfortable in your claims about who is better because it could change in six months. Especially with guys who aren't even playing top Koreans. Personally, I'd rather not argue who is better because neither has done anything yet against the top players.
Thorzain is going to korea soon and from the rate he is improving, I do not see Select catching up. The problem with the NA vs EU thingy is that there are powerhouses for both servers and getting an "average" skill for a server might bring the argument where the powerhouses from the opposing server can crush most of the players anyway.
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On July 16 2011 16:27 wats0n wrote: The point is there's very little separating players like Morrow, Sjow, and Thorzain from guys like Idra, Select, and Kiwikaki. The EU players are not better. None of these players have distinguished themselves as I've already stated. Only Huk and Nani have truly surpassed their peers.
I suppose I could understand Huk with recent results, but how does Naniwa belong in a secluded tier from the rest exactly? Top 5 for sure, but honestly he didn't exactly do spectacular at Dreamhack or MLG (where he had an easy pool) either.
Normally I'd probably give the top spot to Idra due to his consistency, but he's been in somewhat of a nose dive recently. However, he could easily bounce back into shape.
As for Thorzain, yea he still has a bit to prove but he's at least proven his TSL run was no fluke in my eyes. Ripping through the open bracket at MLG,meeting his end at MC 4-2 and claiming the #9 spot is nothing to scoff at. His Dreamhack run was decent as well considering July and Hasu barely beat him. I would not be surprised at all if he overtook huk and nani in the near future.
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On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s.
Ok.
Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro
Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill.
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On July 16 2011 17:45 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s. Ok. Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill.
You have missed some plyers: biGs, Satiini, Lucifron, Tefel, LoWeLy, Elfi, Naugrim, SarenS, XlorD, Naama, Bly, Adelscott
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why turn the thread into a dick measuring contest just to win an argument when this thread will fall out of existence in 24 hours?
for fuck sake
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On July 16 2011 17:58 SafeAsCheese wrote: why turn the thread into a dick measuring contest just to win an argument when this thread will fall out of existence in 24 hours?
for fuck sake
The theme of IPL 2 is "Across the Atlantic"
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On July 16 2011 17:45 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s. Ok. Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill.
Yeah, because I can't name any NA players to match the skill of great players like Cloud or Diestar.
I could easily just copy and paste the rosters of EG, Sixjax, Complexity, Reign, and some of Dignitas and Fnatic and others and match your list. That you think I can't is pretty amusing but also sad because I think you actually believe these are all "great" players without equal..
Most of those players just play in weekly Euro tournaments/cups so their names are out there but that doesn't make them top players. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
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nice argument, there is definitely more serious players on europe than on NA, I wouldn't say that thorzain is better than select though :S select is really freaking good, but thorzain is really freaking smart so idk, they would have some epic games : )
the skill level may be a tiny bit higher on europe, just because the 100ish top european players all train and work a lot harder than the top 100 NA players and they have more/better practice partners because of that.
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To chime in on the europe is better argument (sorry).
For NA, you have to choose between Huk and Select, you can't have both. Either you pick north americans by where they are from or you pick them for where they play/train/have heir regimen. Jinro obviously would have to be counted out from europe if you chose Select, I don't know if any koreans are doing well in europe.
If you pick by where you train/live europe has the advantage of the culture of secondary income being more towards participating in weeklies over the american culture being more about coaching. The former will accelerate your improvement faster than the latter.
Ranking the NA players I would say Idra and Huk are on the top tier, Kiwikaki and Select are on the second, those are the ones who have a real shot at winning every tournament and several tournaments in a row.
Thorzain seems to create a lot of confusion as to his skill-level. I think its quite obvious that he is extremely good when he can prepare for matches a week in advance, and is getting quite good at the hectic nature of live tournaments. Since he is seeded into code A I think he has a real shot at making it far (aka. no insta code B, possibly code S), but I would seriously doubt he would be able to make it through code A qualifiers without a lot more experience at the stressful many-games-in-a-row style of tournaments. I don't think nervousness from playing on tv will be as bad for him as it has been for some of the other foreigners in korea because of his experience from WC3.
Anyway, I'm probably wrong, about everything, and I expect to be countered on every point by you excellent TL posters
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Select lives in the U.S. He bought the game in the U.S. and he grew up on the NA ladder. I don't see why we can't claim him
Drewbie, I think it's also harder for a NA player to achieve the same notoriety as a EU player. If you play well in some EU weekly cup tournies, and there are tons, you get your name out and people will even list you in the same sentence as Naniwa among great players.
In the NA scene somebody like Gatored or Richman does well in every single open tourney and tops the ladder but they don't even show up on any lists because they don't get the same publicity. It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected.
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On July 16 2011 18:57 wats0n wrote: It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected. It's very recent tho. I'm pretty sure if he stays consistent ( i.e his style does not get figured out, like it happen to MMA, for exemple, then I'm sure he will get the credit he deserves.
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On July 16 2011 19:01 Morrisson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 18:57 wats0n wrote: It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected. It's very recent tho. I'm pretty sure if he stays consistent ( i.e his style does not get figured out, like it happen to MMA, for exemple, then I'm sure he will get the credit he deserves.
Destiny's "style" is a build that was used, figured out and faded away from use because it was easy to stop.
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Destiny rose as a player as soon as the infestor buff hit. He uses them excessively, and players didn't really figure out how to beat infestor heavy play. Before the infestor buff, he was nowhere. Maybe i'm wrong, but as soon as the style is really figured out, or the infestor gets nerfed, i think he'll vanish again from the top scene.
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On July 16 2011 18:17 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 17:45 AxionSteel wrote:On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s. Ok. Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill. Yeah, because I can't name any NA players to match the skill of great players like Cloud or Diestar. I could easily just copy and paste the rosters of EG, Sixjax, Complexity, Reign, and some of Dignitas and Fnatic and others and match your list. That you think I can't is pretty amusing but also sad because I think you actually believe these are all "great" players without equal.. Most of those players just play in weekly Euro tournaments/cups so their names are out there but that doesn't make them top players. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
EG? Lol. There's a reason why EG struggles in team tournaments, they rely heavily on IdrA. You're out of your mind if you think AxSlav and Incontrol are on the same level as top EU protoss players like Naniwa, hasuobs, Socke, SaSe etc and if you think Machine and Strifecro are up there with the top EU zergs, then lol.
Complexity? seriously? Catz and Drewbie are a combined 4-23 vs European players in their show match series and I highly doubt Minigun and Cruncher would fare much better.
You really are clutching at straws.
Once again.
TSL- Big tournament. Lots of NA and EU players tried their best to qualify. In the end 15 EU players qualified compared to 3 NA players. The top 4 of the tournament were all from Europe.
NASL- Big Tournament. Big American Tournament. 6 Europeans qualified for the finals, 1 american. Next Season. 15 Europeans, 9 Americans.
The top of NA can compete with EU, but there's just not as many of them.
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On July 16 2011 18:57 wats0n wrote:Select lives in the U.S. He bought the game in the U.S. and he grew up on the NA ladder. I don't see why we can't claim him Drewbie, I think it's also harder for a NA player to achieve the same notoriety as a EU player. If you play well in some EU weekly cup tournies, and there are tons, you get your name out and people will even list you in the same sentence as Naniwa among great players. In the NA scene somebody like Gatored or Richman does well in every single open tourney and tops the ladder but they don't even show up on any lists because they don't get the same publicity. It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected.
plz stop this boring "claiming", its getting tedious.
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On July 16 2011 20:40 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 18:57 wats0n wrote:Select lives in the U.S. He bought the game in the U.S. and he grew up on the NA ladder. I don't see why we can't claim him Drewbie, I think it's also harder for a NA player to achieve the same notoriety as a EU player. If you play well in some EU weekly cup tournies, and there are tons, you get your name out and people will even list you in the same sentence as Naniwa among great players. In the NA scene somebody like Gatored or Richman does well in every single open tourney and tops the ladder but they don't even show up on any lists because they don't get the same publicity. It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected. plz stop this boring "claiming", its getting tedious.
So true, it was beyond tedious after the first 2 pages this rediculous discussion ever came up. ^_^
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I wish we could have an algorithm calculating what player is hot right now on TL. ^_^
I don't think we can come to any conclusions of what players are better at the moment and compare a top10 EU against a top10 NA. I think the only conclusion we can make right now which we can agree upon is that HuK is the number one foreigner atm.
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At the very top level, I think the NA scene can compete. Select, HuK, Kiwi and Idra are as good or better than any european player. However, after that, it really doesn't compare. There are like 50 amazing Euro players who can beat anyone else NA has to offer. That's my take on it.
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On July 16 2011 22:48 MCDayC wrote: At the very top level, I think the NA scene can compete. Select, HuK, Kiwi and Idra are as good or better than any european player. However, after that, it really doesn't compare. There are like 50 amazing Euro players who can beat anyone else NA has to offer. That's my take on it.
When was the last time Kiwikaki achieved anything? He didn't qualify for the NASL finals and went 1-5 at MLG Colombus. I'm sure he's not bad or anything but he's not anywhere near "as good or better than any european player" on current form. And while Select is good, I think he's a bit overrated - a tier below Huk, Idra, Sen, Naniwa and Thorzain.
I agree with your overall point though.
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On July 16 2011 23:20 PigglyWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 22:48 MCDayC wrote: At the very top level, I think the NA scene can compete. Select, HuK, Kiwi and Idra are as good or better than any european player. However, after that, it really doesn't compare. There are like 50 amazing Euro players who can beat anyone else NA has to offer. That's my take on it. When was the last time Kiwikaki achieved anything? He didn't qualify for the NASL finals and went 1-4 at MLG Colombus. I'm sure he's not bad or anything but he's not anywhere near "as good or better than any european player" on current form. And while Select is good, I think he's a bit overrated - a tier below Huk, Idra, Sen, Naniwa and Thorzain. I agree with your overall point though. NASL form isn't everything, loads of top players didn't qualify. I would agree on current form neither Select or Kiwi are on top right now. However, I think they both should be considered great players, and have gone very far in loads of good tournaments. Both have managed to be top 4 in multiple MLGs, both went extremely far in the IPL, and have an extremely good record in many other, smalyer tournaments. I just think that they are slumping slightly right now, and are looking for a major tourney win to reestablish themselves. Right now, I would agree that Select (and Kiwi) are a tier below most of the players you named, but I think they has the capability to beat all of them. But overall the Euro vs NA dick measuring contest seems silly. There are players on both sides who are amazing, and players on both sides who aren't. It doesn't really matter.
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On July 16 2011 19:09 Headnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 19:01 Morrisson wrote:On July 16 2011 18:57 wats0n wrote: It's also kinda sad that Destiny can improve to the point where he is beating Bomber and taking games off HuK but he's still not respected. It's very recent tho. I'm pretty sure if he stays consistent ( i.e his style does not get figured out, like it happen to MMA, for exemple, then I'm sure he will get the credit he deserves. Destiny's "style" is a build that was used, figured out and faded away from use because it was easy to stop. Not too sure about that, it looks like he still has a lot of space for improvements in comparing against top pros, it might not be his build but his skill that is capping him. (which is the better thing)
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On July 16 2011 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:27 wats0n wrote: The point is there's very little separating players like Morrow, Sjow, and Thorzain from guys like Idra, Select, and Kiwikaki. The EU players are not better. None of these players have distinguished themselves as I've already stated. Only Huk and Nani have truly surpassed their peers.
As for Thorzain, yea he still has a bit to prove but he's at least proven his TSL run was no fluke in my eyes. Ripping through the open bracket at MLG,meeting his end at MC 4-2 and claiming the #9 spot is nothing to scoff at. His Dreamhack run was decent as well considering July and Hasu barely beat him. I would not be surprised at all if he overtook huk and nani in the near future.
At this point Thorzain's TSL win doesn't really luck like a fluke, but it doesn't look like something that would happen again.
It's comparable to Polt's Super Tournament win.
The guy played well, very well in fact, but he probably won't win another major tournament right away.
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On July 16 2011 20:25 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 18:17 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 17:45 AxionSteel wrote:On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s. Ok. Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill. Yeah, because I can't name any NA players to match the skill of great players like Cloud or Diestar. I could easily just copy and paste the rosters of EG, Sixjax, Complexity, Reign, and some of Dignitas and Fnatic and others and match your list. That you think I can't is pretty amusing but also sad because I think you actually believe these are all "great" players without equal.. Most of those players just play in weekly Euro tournaments/cups so their names are out there but that doesn't make them top players. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. TSL- Big tournament. Lots of NA and EU players tried their best to qualify. In the end 15 EU players qualified compared to 3 NA players. The top 4 of the tournament were all from Europe. NASL- Big Tournament. Big American Tournament. 6 Europeans qualified for the finals, 1 american. Next Season. 15 Europeans, 9 Americans. The top of NA can compete with EU, but there's just not as many of them.
If you want to play the tournament results game I can point out that Morrow got 32nd at Columbus.. Very easy to cherry pick results that favor an argument.
You threw out 29 names and only a couple are actual great players (Thorzain and Naniwa). We're never going to agree because you think that players with popular names and zero major championships are top players. If you don't think that there are NA players who can win BoX against guys like Happy, Diestar, Cloud, Stephano, Haypro, BeastyQT, and the rest of the players you mentioned then you're clearly biased.
You're being disingenuous calling all those guys great players when you know for a fact that all the great players are in Korea or at least you should know that. Enjoy overrating players but I prefer to remain more grounded.
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I never got the whole Europe vs NA discussion. Both regions pale into comparison to Korea, so who cares?
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On July 17 2011 02:08 Coolwhip wrote: I never got the whole Europe vs NA discussion. Both regions pale into comparison to Korea, so who cares? I thinks its because the IPL itself makes quite a deal out of it. But I dont get it either, who cares if NA > or < EU... To the games: I am disappointed in Axslav, so much cheese and so little success with it
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Is it just me or does Socke play terribly?
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wow just watching the rebroadcast, how did Socke manage to pull a comeback on tal darim? such a great player, destiny gave a huge advantage away...
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Epic game! No gg or how should I interpret that sudden SOCKE WINNER sign? :D
BTW: Why are there so few posts in here? Ppl afraid of spoilers?
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did socke's voidray just spawn with 1 kill? magic
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some constructive criticism for IPL, pls show the supply bars
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Hmm Destiny is really good it seems
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lol catspyjamas hands are 2 times bigger then destinys.
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On July 17 2011 03:06 AsnSensation wrote: some constructive criticism for IPL, pls show the supply bars read the feedback thread =)
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My internet died. Did Destiny beat Socke in the third match?
(I think he did, reading the last few comments)
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Anyone else annoyed by these big player/score frames? ><
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On July 17 2011 03:52 Ghad wrote:My internet died. Did Destiny beat Socke in the third match? (I think he did, reading the last few comments)
+ Show Spoiler +No Socke won the 3rd map (and thus the entire match 2-1)
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Wow nice to see that Manas PvZ became sick good
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On July 17 2011 01:58 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 20:25 AxionSteel wrote:On July 16 2011 18:17 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 17:45 AxionSteel wrote:On July 16 2011 16:42 wats0n wrote:On July 16 2011 16:32 AxionSteel wrote:No, there isn't a lot seperating the top of EU with the top of NA (although Thorzain is far better than SeleCT), the point is there are many, many, many more top EU players, even if they're far weaker than the Koreans, it makes Europe stronger than North America overall. I have no bias towards either server, I'm located closer to Korea than anywhere else I was actually happy that NA players won 3-0 yesterday in the IPL to shut up people like Diabolus who constantly crow about how ownage EU is. But it's still stronger than NA, no matter what you try and say. There are not "many, many, many" more top EU players. For every "top" EU player I can name an equivalent "top" NA player. s. Ok. Naniwa, Thorzain, Socke, Strelok, BratOK, Nerchio, HasuObs, White-Ra, Happy, DarkForce, MaNa, DIMAGA, ToD, SaSe, DieStar, Tarson, ClouD, Kas, DeMusliM, Stephano, MorroW, BeastyQt, NightEnD, SjoW, Ret, GoOdy, LaLush, HayprO, Jinro Name an NA player to match all of those players for skill. Yeah, because I can't name any NA players to match the skill of great players like Cloud or Diestar. I could easily just copy and paste the rosters of EG, Sixjax, Complexity, Reign, and some of Dignitas and Fnatic and others and match your list. That you think I can't is pretty amusing but also sad because I think you actually believe these are all "great" players without equal.. Most of those players just play in weekly Euro tournaments/cups so their names are out there but that doesn't make them top players. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. TSL- Big tournament. Lots of NA and EU players tried their best to qualify. In the end 15 EU players qualified compared to 3 NA players. The top 4 of the tournament were all from Europe. NASL- Big Tournament. Big American Tournament. 6 Europeans qualified for the finals, 1 american. Next Season. 15 Europeans, 9 Americans. The top of NA can compete with EU, but there's just not as many of them. If you want to play the tournament results game I can point out that Morrow got 32nd at Columbus.. Very easy to cherry pick results that favor an argument. You threw out 29 names and only a couple are actual great players (Thorzain and Naniwa). We're never going to agree because you think that players with popular names and zero major championships are top players. If you don't think that there are NA players who can win BoX against guys like Happy, Diestar, Cloud, Stephano, Haypro, BeastyQT, and the rest of the players you mentioned then you're clearly biased. You're being disingenuous calling all those guys great players when you know for a fact that all the great players are in Korea or at least you should know that. Enjoy overrating players but I prefer to remain more grounded.
Europe clearly has better players than NA. There's no point in having an argument about it really, anyone can see from the tournament results that it's true. Hell, Sweden alone could probably do reasonably good against NA in a 10v10 allstar match.
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who is commentating this? Sounds like tastosis, just in bad sound quality
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Lol, Nerchio built over 200 drones in that game. XD
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On July 18 2011 02:17 Viruuus wrote:who is commentating this? Sounds like tastosis, just in bad sound quality It is indeed Tastosis
Edit : Now (State vs Goody) it's PainUser & CatsPajamas
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audio and video very desynched? Or am I going crazy.
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On July 18 2011 02:47 eluv wrote: audio and video very desynched? Or am I going crazy.
Same here lol
Goody wins, average apm 129
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What is IGNProLeague streaming right now? edit: seems to be destiny vs huk on the korean ladder, was this planned or just random streaming? edit2: oh i thought this was the main IPL thread :>
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On July 19 2011 09:08 Alexl wrote: What is IGNProLeague streaming right now? edit: seems to be destiny vs huk on the korean ladder, was this planned or just random streaming? edit2: oh i thought this was the main IPL thread :> Is it me or is the game running somewhat slower than normally?
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wow destiny is playing very impressive vs HuK
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some crazy games between destiny and huk
destiny really has improved hes pretty underrated and is only gonna get better
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Rofl 15+ Archons pure insanity, gogo crazy Huk! :D
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that game was one of the most entertaining PvZ i've ever seen, better than tournament games lol
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just started watching the stream, why is Destiny vs Huk playing? this is an old game, i've seen it on their stream
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On July 19 2011 10:41 EtohEtoh wrote: just started watching the stream, why is Destiny vs Huk playing? this is an old game, i've seen it on their stream
Will copy and paste this from IPL twitter.
The #IPL2 Main Event games are always THURS through SUN! On MON through WED we're casting replays! HuK v. Destiny:
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if u want to plug your casters or sponsors its a lot better if u have a small box ( much like how youtube videos can have them) with the link embedded inside , so all people have to do is click. :O
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words cant express my disappointment with ign related stuff since season 2 began. season 1 my mind was blown and i was an instant fanboy, the production quality was unrivaled. since season 2 with ipl2 + ign tv its seriously like a different company took over that cost 1/8 the price. at the end of the day its the games that matter but its a serious let down and took a lot of the wind out of my IGN sails.
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Haha, gotta love PainUsers enthusiasm for Rainbow even though it was 120 supply vs 200 at one point lol
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