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Hey guys - These games are meant to be fun and for your entertainment. Caster and Player bashing will not be tolerated. Manner please!

Also, this is a Live Report thread - not the place to discuss your displeasure with the event or any of the people involved with it.
tuho1234
Profile Joined July 2011
90 Posts
July 11 2011 04:21 GMT
#11641
On July 11 2011 12:48 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 12:42 tuho1234 wrote:
EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.


Did you see the games? Psi Storm/Feedback is a good skill toi have the same way as EMP is.

100x harder to feedback than EMP if you ask me.
jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 04:24 GMT
#11642
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
July 11 2011 04:24 GMT
#11643
On July 11 2011 13:21 tuho1234 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 12:48 Alpino wrote:
On July 11 2011 12:42 tuho1234 wrote:
EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.


Did you see the games? Psi Storm/Feedback is a good skill toi have the same way as EMP is.

100x harder to feedback than EMP if you ask me.

It is harder, but that's not why MC lost those games if you ask me.. And I'm Protoss. Emp's fine, no need to discuss it.
hi. big fan.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3510 Posts
July 11 2011 04:24 GMT
#11644
Just realized that Sen won 3 ZvZ series' to take third. That's pretty amazing...
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 04:28 GMT
#11645
On July 11 2011 13:24 Gescom wrote:
Just realized that Sen won 3 ZvZ series' to take third. That's pretty amazing...

sen actually won 5 ZvZ to get third. including all the matches he had to play to get to the nasl live finals.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
July 11 2011 04:29 GMT
#11646
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


Just because ? :|

You Forget he is still in the Code S , Advanced past his group demolishing the competition....Make no Doubt about it , Dreamhack and homestory are not easy tourneys to win...He is undoubtedly the best foreginer Right NOW
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 04:34:15
July 11 2011 04:31 GMT
#11647
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc

Lol what? Dreamhack a small lan? Ummm no... and citing korean players who fall out of code a/s doesn't mean shit when comparing huk to foreigners who just lost to huk. Also huk played well in his code s group. Huk won dreamhack and sen lost to july at dreamhack. Didn't huk beat july then? Huk winning dreamhack and homestory is more impressive than sen getting third in nasl.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Armada Vega
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada120 Posts
July 11 2011 04:34 GMT
#11648
With all do respect, concerning the previous open bracket that TSL Puma went through, arguing solely on actual substance:

There were a crap ton of koreans in it, koreans that could have easily destroyed every foreigner, in the main season. Puma in no way in the previous Open Bracket had an easier time then every other player in the main season. I think the Open Bracket was complete in a 24hr period? with no preparation for players in between brackets? But PUMA made it through all of it, and then through everyone in the top 16.

Maybe in concept and practice, under general situations, the open bracket is unfair or flawed. But the players who were actually in the Open Bracket with PUMA, that bracket was very hard and in no way was an easier road for PUMA. And wasn't an easier road than the road that everyone in the main-season/playoffs had, at least not this time.
twitter: @ArmadaVega
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
July 11 2011 04:35 GMT
#11649
any chance there will be a restream like the reg season?
no way im paying $25 for one bo7.
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
July 11 2011 04:36 GMT
#11650
On July 11 2011 07:42 Zeburial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 07:41 figq wrote:
has ghosts? -> win tvp
no ghosts? --> lose tvp

has void ray -> win pvt
no void ray --> lose pvt


So what if it Void rays vs Ghosts? who wins?


*Mind Explodes*
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 04:37 GMT
#11651
On July 11 2011 13:29 pyro19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


Just because ? :|

You Forget he is still in the Code S , Advanced past his group demolishing the competition....Make no Doubt about it , Dreamhack and homestory are not easy tourneys to win...He is undoubtedly the best foreginer Right NOW

lol you really believe huk is the best? where is the proof? sen has beaten huk in a series live on his Justin tv stream.
dreamhack and homestory are all invites so people that go there might not deserve it. and winners of those lans can win those small lans, but in gsl fall down or not get far.
St ace beat MC in the NASL qualifyers does that mean ace is better then MC? what if that was the finals of a lan? no he wouldn't be.
honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?


jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 04:39 GMT
#11652
On July 11 2011 13:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc

Lol what? Dreamhack a small lan? Ummm no... and citing korean players who fall out of code a/s doesn't mean shit when comparing huk to foreigners who just lost to huk. Also huk played well in his code s group. Huk won dreamhack and sen lost to july at dreamhack. Didn't huk beat july then? Huk winning dreamhack and homestory is more impressive than sen getting third in nasl.

sen beat july in the NASL.
jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 04:45 GMT
#11653
On July 11 2011 13:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc

Lol what? Dreamhack a small lan? Ummm no... and citing korean players who fall out of code a/s doesn't mean shit when comparing huk to foreigners who just lost to huk. Also huk played well in his code s group. Huk won dreamhack and sen lost to july at dreamhack. Didn't huk beat july then? Huk winning dreamhack and homestory is more impressive than sen getting third in nasl.

MC lost to Huk in homestory so does that mean Huk is better then MC? you win some you lose some.
thats why there is no best foreginer but a group of foreginers that are good.
huk is probably the best Canadian sc2 player and foreign protoss, sen is the best foreign(hes still asian so idk if he can be considered foreigner) zerg. and terren? who knows they are all over the place.
Tyrr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 04:47:09
July 11 2011 04:46 GMT
#11654
On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 13:29 pyro19 wrote:
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


Just because ? :|

You Forget he is still in the Code S , Advanced past his group demolishing the competition....Make no Doubt about it , Dreamhack and homestory are not easy tourneys to win...He is undoubtedly the best foreginer Right NOW

lol you really believe huk is the best? where is the proof? sen has beaten huk in a series live on his Justin tv stream.
dreamhack and homestory are all invites so people that go there might not deserve it. and winners of those lans can win those small lans, but in gsl fall down or not get far.
St ace beat MC in the NASL qualifyers does that mean ace is better then MC? what if that was the finals of a lan? no he wouldn't be.
honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?




You obviously didn't watch Huk demolish MC, Idra, July, Moon, Naniwa, and everybody else associated with Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. MC got HANDED by Huk. So yes, he can beat MC, Puma, and Sen. I'm willing to bet he wins 2-0 against MC in the Code S round of 16 as well. Sen is EXCELLENT. but Huk has been showing amazing results recently and you're a fool to think he's not the best foreigner
im bad
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
July 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#11655
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


As others have said:
Dreamhack and HSC3 were NOT "small lans" look at who HuK had to beat, especially for HSC3 and you'll see why people consider him the best foriegner, his run was SUPER tough to get there.

Also, MMA is STILL an absolute beast. He STILL has only lost to some of the best players out there and rightfully earned MVP for two GSTLs.

HuK and Idra are pretty 50-50 lately, with the last win being HuK's at HSC.

I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
July 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#11656
#2 can beat #1 but won't be #1 because he can't beat #3,#4 and #5, but #1 can.

That's how rankings work, think about it.
I am down but I am far from over
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 04:49:13
July 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#11657
On July 11 2011 13:46 Tyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 13:29 pyro19 wrote:
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


Just because ? :|

You Forget he is still in the Code S , Advanced past his group demolishing the competition....Make no Doubt about it , Dreamhack and homestory are not easy tourneys to win...He is undoubtedly the best foreginer Right NOW

lol you really believe huk is the best? where is the proof? sen has beaten huk in a series live on his Justin tv stream.
dreamhack and homestory are all invites so people that go there might not deserve it. and winners of those lans can win those small lans, but in gsl fall down or not get far.
St ace beat MC in the NASL qualifyers does that mean ace is better then MC? what if that was the finals of a lan? no he wouldn't be.
honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?




You obviously didn't watch Huk demolish MC, Idra, July, Moon, Naniwa, and everybody else associated with Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. MC got HANDED by Huk. So yes, he can beat MC, Puma, and Sen. I'm willing to beat he wins 2-0 against MC in the Code S round of 16 as well. Sen is EXCELLENT. but Huk has been showing amazing results recently and you're a fool to think he's not the best foreigner

No, Huk isn't. Doing something once isn't really that great. Idra was the best player in the world day one of the last MLG by your standards. You drink the kool aid too quickly. Huk only now has a .500 record in the GSL and has a losing record against idra. The point is it's about a body of work and no what you've done the last month or two.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
July 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#11658
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 05:25 ffadicted wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:23 SgtPepper wrote:
On July 11 2011 05:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
This pretty much cements Sen as the best foreign player atm.


Best foreign zerg I think, but you have to give best foreigner to HuK (winning Homestory III, DreamHack, and 2-0 ing his group in Code S)


Ya, it's pretty clear HuK is the best foreigner, but I'd say Sen is easily second, with naniwa and thorzain probably lingering in the background

lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory?
huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl
look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl
you see what i mean?
huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc


I'm not saying I'm 100% sold on HuK being the best foreigner, but the ignorance in this post is overwhelming.

1) Dreamhack is not a small Lan
2) MMA and Ace dropped out of Code S while HuK is doing well in Code S
3) Idra doesn't 'beat' HuK, HuK actually beat Idra last time they met.
4) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
July 11 2011 04:49 GMT
#11659
On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?

Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 11 2011 04:50 GMT
#11660
On July 11 2011 12:42 tuho1234 wrote:
EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.

It's not the shield damage so much as no energy. Without FF or Storm it's GG for gateway armies. But really it's not so easy. You have to build lots of ghosts and drop them perfect on correct units. You mess up you don't have enough rax troops and get rolled over.

Also don't short sell PuMa's outstanding drop play strangling MC on resources and keeping him at home.

MC for president
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