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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote: Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote: first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out This is not about 1st at Dreamhack vs 3rd at NASL. This is about 1st at Dreamhack AND 1st at HSC 3 vs 3rd at NASL. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:06 jimjimchoi wrote: lol sen tied with idra? lol nope he clearly isnt. if he was best zerg MC would respect him which he doesnt. you just add tied with sen part because this is a forum for foreigners, white people, and all i see is people trying to rep there own country and race here. just like how Americans TL'ers try to claim huk as american/Canadian lmfao. there is no one best player there are just a group of players that are the best. Umm.. after the MC vs. Sen series, MC gave mad props to Sen and basically gave him the utmost respect. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote: first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out I had a good laugh at your post. MMA is not a top level Korean, and NASL is somehow a 'bigger' LAN than Dreamhack. You're either trolling or retarded. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:11 forgottendreams wrote: I don't recall many of the really strong players such as july, moon, puma, ace, squirtle, sen, boxer being at the Homestory Cup.... Man you got a bad memory. July, moon, MC and bomber were at dreamhack. And more top foreigners were there. Edit: oh and Sen was there. He would have played Huk, but he lost to July and then huk beat July. Seriously, if you are gonna argue at least get your facts straight Edit 2: my bad, read wrong. Still dreamhack was as difficult as nasl. And we are talking about top foreigners. All the top foreigners were at Dh and homestory. Huk won both | ||
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:11 blAke139 wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? MC said after the game that Sen got really good lately and I think there is no bigger sign of respect from MC than that. Stop talking all those bullshit IdrA fanboys. HuK achieved more lately than Sen/IdrA and one some damn hard tournaments and made more money than the others, so just go read a book or something, but stop being ignorant and BS on people not even related to the tournament. I am Swiss and I rep the best foreigners at the moment, not people from my country, so shut up. sen has been good, mc doesn't have time to analysis about how to say sen was good in English when he was in a match... he means sen was good, and respect with a thumbs up too. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:16 jmbthirteen wrote: Man you got a bad memory. July, moon, MC and bomber were at dreamhack. And more top foreigners were there. Good thing you read my sentence -_- | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:15 bennyaus wrote: I had a good laugh at your post. MMA is not a top level Korean, and NASL is somehow a 'bigger' LAN than Dreamhack. You're either trolling or retarded. dreamhack is big BUT the way players are selected makes it less official thats why you have winners of invite tournaments like mlg and iem fall from gsl. so winning those invite tournament means less | ||
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:16 jmbthirteen wrote: Man you got a bad memory. July, moon, MC and bomber were at dreamhack. And more top foreigners were there. He's talking about HSC III, but he forgets about the top foreigners like IdrA, ThorZaiN, Jinro, Naniwa, goody, dimaga, whitera, ret, and a LOT of other top foreigners. | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On July 11 2011 13:24 jimjimchoi wrote: lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory? huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl you see what i mean? huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc This might be the most illogically conceived post I've ever read. Where to begin? lol huk is best foreigner how? just because he won dreamhack and homestory? Winning the two most recent and notable lan tourneys, for the most part, is enough for someone to be declared the best foreigner, especially since the scene is still somewhat new and there has been no one who has established clear dominance over other players (both in the foreign and korean scene). huk winning those two small lans doesnt mean much, look at StACE he won iem but fell outa the gsl look at MMA he won mlg but fell outa the gsl you see what i mean? Dunno how to respond to the first part. If you think DH and HSC were small lans then maybe me writing this will prove useless. You then list 2 players who fell out of GSL when HuK 2-0'ed his group in Code S, as the only foreigner in it currently (that may change soon though) huk is not best foreigner, look at this idra beats huk and sen beats idra, also sen gets 3rd at a big lan with many Koreans that EARNED the right to be there no invites like dreamhack etc First of all, that's not how Starcraft works. If A >B and B > C it doesn't necessarily mean that A > C because there are 3 different races in this game. You could be better/worse at a particular matchup than another person. That's why for the most part results and consistency are the only way to properly judge who is better than who. Second of all you assume IdrA can beat HuK now when his ZvP still seems shaky and HuK's PvZ feels pretty damn good, not to mention he did 2-1 IdrA in HSC, which doesn't really mean much, but I just find your statement that IdrA > HuK without any backup stupid. Third of all, the final 16 of NASL were all invites just like DH except for 1 of them. Unless you mean they earned their right by getting through the regular season, which could be a decent point except DH and HSC have the same structure as NASL. Top 2 of Group Play make it into the final 16, just NASL is a bit more complicated and way more stretched out. BTW, I'm not saying HuK is the best foreign player, I'm saying your logic is very flawed. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:21 jimjimchoi wrote: dreamhack is big BUT the way players are selected makes it less official thats why you have winners of invite tournaments like mlg and iem fall from gsl. so winning those invite tournament means less You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote: You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? Just proves his point...look who won! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote: You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? allot of people were invited but they all had to fight to see who would go to live event. and obviously the best of the best got to get to the live event....the only real invite was TSL alive which got smashed ro16 | ||
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cENTRYZ
Norway832 Posts
Congrats to Puma tho. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:24 justinpal wrote: Just proves his point...look who won! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But it also sets the nasl on the same level according to his rankings. | ||
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datsneefa
United States65 Posts
GJ NASL | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote: You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? NASL goes by applications, the open tournament winners and previous placements, not invites. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote: first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: + Show Spoiler + vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: + Show Spoiler + vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: + Show Spoiler + July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won | ||
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best | ||
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