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On July 11 2011 14:28 jimjimchoi wrote:
you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best
No, you can be the best and still lose to other people. Being the best != being unbeatable.
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On July 11 2011 14:25 jimjimchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:21 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:15 bennyaus wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:
first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out
I had a good laugh at your post. MMA is not a top level Korean, and NASL is somehow a 'bigger' LAN than Dreamhack. You're either trolling or retarded. dreamhack is big BUT the way players are selected makes it less official thats why you have winners of invite tournaments like mlg and iem fall from gsl. so winning those invite tournament means less You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? allot of people were invited but they all had to fight to see who would go to live event. and obviously the best of the best got to get to the live event....the only real invite was TSL alive which got smashed ro16
But huk fighting his way through group stages and all the way to win the tournaments doesn't legitimize it? Group stages are like the regular season of nasl. Just not as long.
Is gsl inferior to nasl? Because dreamhack and homestory used very similar systems as gal, they just packed the games into a weekend vs a month.
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On July 11 2011 14:27 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:03 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:51 Serpico wrote:On July 11 2011 13:49 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?
Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. uhhh what? It most certainly is because you have to be good for a much longer period of time against good competition, you can't just have a great day or two, you have to be consistently playing well. I could turn your argument on its head and argue that it's easier to have during the regular season one week each time to prepare for a single bo3, since you only have one matchup to train each week (plus you know who you're going to play against so you can also prepare by analyzing that player's style). It's harder in that regard to prepare for every single possible matchup AND player style (since you don't know how you'll be facing), something that is needed to compete at Dreamhack, at the HSC 3 and at the NASL finals. The bottomline is that combining a 1st place at Dreamhack and a 1st place at HSC3, looking at the results needed to achieve both, is a bigger achievement than getting top 3 at the NASL. edit: jimjimchoi, you seem to fail to understand that one can be the best player and still lose to other people. What you have to look at is the global achievements. Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won
so you trying to say huk is better then MC? cuz huk won dreamhack and hsc and mc didn't?
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On July 11 2011 14:30 jimjimchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:27 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:03 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:51 Serpico wrote:On July 11 2011 13:49 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?
Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. uhhh what? It most certainly is because you have to be good for a much longer period of time against good competition, you can't just have a great day or two, you have to be consistently playing well. I could turn your argument on its head and argue that it's easier to have during the regular season one week each time to prepare for a single bo3, since you only have one matchup to train each week (plus you know who you're going to play against so you can also prepare by analyzing that player's style). It's harder in that regard to prepare for every single possible matchup AND player style (since you don't know how you'll be facing), something that is needed to compete at Dreamhack, at the HSC 3 and at the NASL finals. The bottomline is that combining a 1st place at Dreamhack and a 1st place at HSC3, looking at the results needed to achieve both, is a bigger achievement than getting top 3 at the NASL. edit: jimjimchoi, you seem to fail to understand that one can be the best player and still lose to other people. What you have to look at is the global achievements. Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won so you trying to say huk is better then MC? cuz huk won dreamhack and hsc and mc didn't?
No, that's not what I'm trying to say. Again, you have to look at overall achievements.
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The Puma vs MC games being as close and high skill as they were, it could be said that they are fairly close in skill at this point in time. Winning 4-3 in a nail biting close series of games means two players are quite evenly matched.
This loss doesn't suggest that MC isn't a boss toss anymore, but just reminds us once again that it is possible to beat him if you're insanely good and play the game of your life. Sometimes.
Puma is probably like DRG in the sense that he's a super good player in team league and/or during practice, but has nerve issues during individual leagues. There were a lot of guys like that in Broodwar too. If they win enough, they can gain the confidence they need to join the ranks of the top performing players in individual leagues. Puma should make it to Code A next month, along with DRG.
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On July 11 2011 14:30 jimjimchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:27 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:03 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:51 Serpico wrote:On July 11 2011 13:49 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?
Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. uhhh what? It most certainly is because you have to be good for a much longer period of time against good competition, you can't just have a great day or two, you have to be consistently playing well. I could turn your argument on its head and argue that it's easier to have during the regular season one week each time to prepare for a single bo3, since you only have one matchup to train each week (plus you know who you're going to play against so you can also prepare by analyzing that player's style). It's harder in that regard to prepare for every single possible matchup AND player style (since you don't know how you'll be facing), something that is needed to compete at Dreamhack, at the HSC 3 and at the NASL finals. The bottomline is that combining a 1st place at Dreamhack and a 1st place at HSC3, looking at the results needed to achieve both, is a bigger achievement than getting top 3 at the NASL. edit: jimjimchoi, you seem to fail to understand that one can be the best player and still lose to other people. What you have to look at is the global achievements. Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won so you trying to say huk is better then MC? cuz huk won dreamhack and hsc and mc didn't?
so huk lost to naniwa and beat MC so clearly you trying to say naniwa is better then MC?
logically that's what is means but if huk fights mc again will he win again??
what if sen fights mc again and doesn't make the overconfident mistake that gave mc the win and sen would have 3-1 MC what then?
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you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best
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On July 11 2011 14:28 jimjimchoi wrote:
you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best
You don't compare player to player like that. Jaedong has been facecrushing flash for a while now, that certainly doesn't mean he's the better player.
MC is better than huk, even if huk beat him.
NesTea is better than MC, even if MC can certainly beat him.
MVP is worlds better than MMA, even if he hasn't been spot on as of late.
When we do such judgements we usually base them on that player's best possible performance considering all factors. As in, if both players play at their very best, most likely scenario is nestea beats MC, since his play has a little more quality in some critical aspect of play.
Huk is the best foreigner right now, he's shown the biggest results, play and consistency as of late. Sen is up there, but I think huk's got a slight edge right now. It's not about who beats who.
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What's the point of arguing about who the best foreigner is in this thread? Let's keep it to the fact that we saw an awesome series that went to a 7th set! It was a little bit disappointing by MC honestly since his control seemed a little bit sloppy especially in the early games, but almost pulled off an awesome comeback. It seemed like Puma got pretty lucky at times like in the 2nd game where he killed the TC right as charge was finishing. That absolutely cost MC the game.
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On July 11 2011 14:33 jimjimchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:30 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:27 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:03 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:51 Serpico wrote:On July 11 2011 13:49 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?
Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. uhhh what? It most certainly is because you have to be good for a much longer period of time against good competition, you can't just have a great day or two, you have to be consistently playing well. I could turn your argument on its head and argue that it's easier to have during the regular season one week each time to prepare for a single bo3, since you only have one matchup to train each week (plus you know who you're going to play against so you can also prepare by analyzing that player's style). It's harder in that regard to prepare for every single possible matchup AND player style (since you don't know how you'll be facing), something that is needed to compete at Dreamhack, at the HSC 3 and at the NASL finals. The bottomline is that combining a 1st place at Dreamhack and a 1st place at HSC3, looking at the results needed to achieve both, is a bigger achievement than getting top 3 at the NASL. edit: jimjimchoi, you seem to fail to understand that one can be the best player and still lose to other people. What you have to look at is the global achievements. Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won so you trying to say huk is better then MC? cuz huk won dreamhack and hsc and mc didn't? so huk lost to naniwa and beat MC so clearly you trying to say naniwa is better then MC? logically that's what is means but if huk fights mc again will he win again?? what if sen fights mc again and doesn't make the overconfident mistake that gave mc the win and sen would have 3-1 MC what then?
Then we cross that road if it happens. But right now it hasn't. Adding made up results doesn't help your argument. What if huk goes on to win this gsl? See it works both ways.
Oh and huk came back to beat naniwa at the end. Are you even familiarr with dreamhack and homestory?
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On July 11 2011 14:32 Zzoram wrote:
The Puma vs MC games being as close and high skill as they were, it could be said that they are fairly close in skill at this point in time. Winning 4-3 in a nail biting close series of games means two players are quite evenly matched.
This loss doesn't suggest that MC isn't a boss toss anymore, but just reminds us once again that it is possible to beat him if you're insanely good and play the game of your life. Sometimes.
Puma is probably like DRG in the sense that he's a super good player in team league and/or during practice, but has nerve issues during individual leagues. There were a lot of guys like that in Broodwar too. If they win enough, they can gain the confidence they need to join the ranks of the top performing players in individual leagues. Puma should make it to Code A next month, along with DRG.
actually mc could have won if he didn't do that cheese. so yea saying puma is better or mc is better are stupid things to say because they are both good.
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On July 11 2011 14:24 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:21 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:15 bennyaus wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:
first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out
I had a good laugh at your post. MMA is not a top level Korean, and NASL is somehow a 'bigger' LAN than Dreamhack. You're either trolling or retarded. dreamhack is big BUT the way players are selected makes it less official thats why you have winners of invite tournaments like mlg and iem fall from gsl. so winning those invite tournament means less You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? Just proves his point...look who won! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Except Dreamhack had more players qualified from winning tournaments than NASL...
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On July 11 2011 14:36 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:33 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:30 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:27 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:03 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:51 Serpico wrote:On July 11 2011 13:49 kwizach wrote:On July 11 2011 13:37 jimjimchoi wrote:honestly sen is the best foreginer why? because he got top 3. if huk was in nasl you think he can beat mc or puma or sen?
Getting top 3 at the NASL is not a bigger achievement than getting 1st place at Dreamhack and Homestory Cup. uhhh what? It most certainly is because you have to be good for a much longer period of time against good competition, you can't just have a great day or two, you have to be consistently playing well. I could turn your argument on its head and argue that it's easier to have during the regular season one week each time to prepare for a single bo3, since you only have one matchup to train each week (plus you know who you're going to play against so you can also prepare by analyzing that player's style). It's harder in that regard to prepare for every single possible matchup AND player style (since you don't know how you'll be facing), something that is needed to compete at Dreamhack, at the HSC 3 and at the NASL finals. The bottomline is that combining a 1st place at Dreamhack and a 1st place at HSC3, looking at the results needed to achieve both, is a bigger achievement than getting top 3 at the NASL. edit: jimjimchoi, you seem to fail to understand that one can be the best player and still lose to other people. What you have to look at is the global achievements. Especially when so many of the players in nasl were at dreamhack and homestory. first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out Sen's path in the NASL: vs Zenio Won vs Boxer Lost vs PainUser Won vs MaNa Won vs IdrA Won vs Tyler Won vs Drewbie Won vs Cloud Lost vs Socke Won -- vs Zenio Won vs DarK.FoRcE Won vs MC Lost vs July Won 10 wins, 3 losses. HuK's path at Dreamhack and HSC 3: vs Moon Won vs Tarson Won vs LaLush Won vs Bischu Won vs FuRy Won vs Predy Won vs Socke Won vs July Won vs Moon Won -- vs Stephano Lost vs NarutO Won vs iNSoLeNCE Won vs Tod Won vs XlorD Won vs Idra Won vs Naniwa Lost vs MC Won vs Naniwa Won 16 wins, 2 losses. Players they both faced: July - HuK won, Sen won MC - HuK won, Sen lost Idra - Huk won, Sen won Socke - HuK won, Sen won so you trying to say huk is better then MC? cuz huk won dreamhack and hsc and mc didn't? so huk lost to naniwa and beat MC so clearly you trying to say naniwa is better then MC? logically that's what is means but if huk fights mc again will he win again?? what if sen fights mc again and doesn't make the overconfident mistake that gave mc the win and sen would have 3-1 MC what then? Then we cross that road if it happens. But right now it hasn't. Adding made up results doesn't help your argument. What if huk goes on to win this gsl? See it works both ways. Oh and huk came back to beat naniwa at the end. Are you even familiarr with dreamhack and homestory?
huk can beat the gsl if he gets lucky and someone else who is lucky like ogsinca gets to the finals somehow. look at tsl rain somehow he got to the finals and made mc's win easy. if you switch around mc vs rain with huk vs rain huk would win.
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Why are people argueing about Huk's "rank" in a tournament thread that Huk didn't even attend? Honestly the SC2 community is so damn quick to claim someone is the best or a has been based on a couple recent results. It is getting beyond a joke.
Also you can't just compare straight results. You have to look at how the player played in each game. You can win with luck, opponent making mistakes. Or you might win/lose in an amazing display of skill by both players. I for one just want to see great games. Knowing that a player is capable of amazing play is worth more than trying to slot them into some stupid 1-10 personal ranking system.
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If MC didn't push up the ramp when he pwned Puma's army .... that would have won him the game.
If he can turned, expo, tech HT, i think puma would be =/
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On July 11 2011 14:28 jimjimchoi wrote:
you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best
Yea, it's just like that... an opinion. Aren't people allowed to have one any more on these forums? By reading some of these posts makes you think it's not even in the realm of possibility for Huk to be the best foreigner.
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On July 11 2011 14:39 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:24 justinpal wrote:On July 11 2011 14:23 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 11 2011 14:21 jimjimchoi wrote:On July 11 2011 14:15 bennyaus wrote:On July 11 2011 14:12 jimjimchoi wrote:
first at a lan like dream hack means less then 3rd in a big lan like the nasl which players went through 3 months or fighting to determine the best of the best to go to the finals, unlike dreamhack or mlg which only invites people like mma and wins but goes back to korea and get knocked out
I had a good laugh at your post. MMA is not a top level Korean, and NASL is somehow a 'bigger' LAN than Dreamhack. You're either trolling or retarded. dreamhack is big BUT the way players are selected makes it less official thats why you have winners of invite tournaments like mlg and iem fall from gsl. so winning those invite tournament means less You do know everyone but puma was invited to nasl right? Just proves his point...look who won! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Except Dreamhack had more players qualified from winning tournaments than NASL...
the nasl has the best EU players(many tourny winners) the best KR players(gsl winners iem winners, etc) and beast NA players(lol). ro16 were the some best of the best IN THE WORLD.
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On July 11 2011 14:37 jimjimchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:32 Zzoram wrote:
The Puma vs MC games being as close and high skill as they were, it could be said that they are fairly close in skill at this point in time. Winning 4-3 in a nail biting close series of games means two players are quite evenly matched.
This loss doesn't suggest that MC isn't a boss toss anymore, but just reminds us once again that it is possible to beat him if you're insanely good and play the game of your life. Sometimes.
Puma is probably like DRG in the sense that he's a super good player in team league and/or during practice, but has nerve issues during individual leagues. There were a lot of guys like that in Broodwar too. If they win enough, they can gain the confidence they need to join the ranks of the top performing players in individual leagues. Puma should make it to Code A next month, along with DRG. actually mc could have won if he didn't do that cheese. so yea saying puma is better or mc is better are stupid things to say because they are both good.
Not only that, but there are many factors involved. For instance, I could see MC winning if Backwater Gulch hadn't been used. Goddamn that map sucks for protoss, particularly vs terran.
So many things are involved in a match that it's not possible to say a player's better than other judging by single matches or series played. You have to evaluate player's skill and performance in the many areas of play throughout a prolonged period of time in order to get the best gauging of a player's skill.
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On July 11 2011 14:30 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:28 jimjimchoi wrote:
you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best No, you can be the best and still lose to other people. Being the best != being unbeatable.
What a dumb argument. Thebest is the best.
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On July 11 2011 14:43 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 14:28 jimjimchoi wrote:
you arguing huk is best foreigner is like arguing mc is best Korean. what about nestea? bomber? mvp? bomber already proved he can beat MC so isnt bomber the best? you see that doesnt work
its impossible to say who is the best. there is not one best player but a group of players that are the best Yea, it's just like that... an opinion. Aren't people allowed to have one any more on these forums? By reading some of these posts makes you think it's not even in the realm of possibility for Huk to be the best foreigner.
Huk lost to naniwa but naniwa lost to Thorzain so shouldn't Thorzain be the best white player?
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