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Hey guys - These games are meant to be fun and for your entertainment. Caster and Player bashing will not be tolerated. Manner please!

Also, this is a Live Report thread - not the place to discuss your displeasure with the event or any of the people involved with it.
KT s0ng
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)88 Posts
July 11 2011 03:01 GMT
#11621
PuMa, I will never forgive you for ending our Nal_rA's dreams, but congratulations all the same.
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
July 11 2011 03:01 GMT
#11622
I don't see what everyone is complaining about. If PuMa was in the NASL from the start, don't you think he would have made it this far and still won, considering he's this good?
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 11 2011 03:02 GMT
#11623
On July 11 2011 11:14 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
I understand why people feel off about Puma's win. He was the best player this weekend; but someone "suddenly" coming in and taking it when everyone else slugged it out, sacrificed time and sleep and opportunities for months...

Maybe if someone could enlighten us on the nature of open bracket play, we might better appreciate Puma's win.


Almost every tournament has as open bracket. MLG, TSL, even the early GSL seasons were formed entirely of open tournaments. It's a standard. Puma still had to beat great players there, as it as filled with top koreans (and Thorzain!), so winning it by it self huge achievement. On top of that, Puma still had to win the fricking tournament. He had to play the number 1 seeded player Ret, the squirtle, the mofoing July, aaaannnnnddd beat MC. It's just a different method of getting to the top 16. Arguably a fairer and harder method, as he didn't get into the top 50 by a popularity contest, or have to play bad people for important places. So yeah. Puma deserved. And if MC won it, he would have deserved it. As would have Sen, and countless others that played this weekend, regardless of how they arrived at the top 16.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
July 11 2011 03:05 GMT
#11624
Any videos/vods of Temp0 performing?

And finals were amazing :O
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alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
July 11 2011 03:13 GMT
#11625
No way you could watch puma play those games and claim it was undeserved. Great finals! I hope the NASL learns a lot from this season and smooths out the works for a great second season.
more weight
cusx
Profile Joined November 2010
Malaysia16 Posts
July 11 2011 03:13 GMT
#11626
I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed


Please don't do that next time.
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
July 11 2011 03:23 GMT
#11627
I think PuMa won alot of fans today. And my god was that a final worth being a final!

All I want now is that MarineKing wins the next NASL. Or GSL, whichever really.
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
July 11 2011 03:26 GMT
#11628
are you guys kidding me about the puma victory not being legit just because he didnt play in the group stages?
it was an invite only group stage, ask any pro what they would rather do, play in the groups or go through a single elim tournament for one single spot?
fearlessparagon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 03:31:58
July 11 2011 03:30 GMT
#11629
Quite honestly, I think people do not understand that the open brackets was much HARDER than the closed bracket. The closed brackets were only there because of their prominence and relative association to North America. Many players missed their games during the season with excuses which are legitimate but shows that those games were not their top priority. Painuser, most notably, did not deserve to be in the closed brackets. Fenix skipped his PLAYOFF games.

Some of the players in the closed brackets were there because of nepotism, so Puma coming in and going to the playoffs by pure skill shows that the video admissions process favors individuals who are prominent in the community, but not really good.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win
jimjimchoi
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)45 Posts
July 11 2011 03:32 GMT
#11630
puma terren, mc protoss, sen zerg. all three races, in the order reflective on balance. and players that are all top 5 of there race. perfect
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 03:39:14
July 11 2011 03:33 GMT
#11631
On July 11 2011 12:02 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 11:14 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
I understand why people feel off about Puma's win. He was the best player this weekend; but someone "suddenly" coming in and taking it when everyone else slugged it out, sacrificed time and sleep and opportunities for months...

Maybe if someone could enlighten us on the nature of open bracket play, we might better appreciate Puma's win.


Almost every tournament has as open bracket. MLG, TSL, even the early GSL seasons were formed entirely of open tournaments. It's a standard. Puma still had to beat great players there, as it as filled with top koreans (and Thorzain!), so winning it by it self huge achievement. On top of that, Puma still had to win the fricking tournament. He had to play the number 1 seeded player Ret, the squirtle, the mofoing July, aaaannnnnddd beat MC. It's just a different method of getting to the top 16. Arguably a fairer and harder method, as he didn't get into the top 50 by a popularity contest, or have to play bad people for important places. So yeah. Puma deserved. And if MC won it, he would have deserved it. As would have Sen, and countless others that played this weekend, regardless of how they arrived at the top 16.

Puma deserved the win because of how he played. In the future, I still agree with the others saying NASL shouldn't bother holding an open tournament to fly someone over to the finals when they are playing an entire 50 other players for the whole season.

You can't compare the early GSL seasons because they were all open - meaning everybody has the same process. MLG, really the seeded players have to play for 2 days against the same 4 other players, the open bracket is full of randoms and the open player plays a MUCH harder road to the finals...NASL - the invited seeded players play for THREE MONTHS. That's the difference.

NOBODY is saying Puma didn't deserve the win, he absolutely does. NASL should consider the amount of effort though they are making the other 50 players have to deal with.

Edit: I just want to put finally, the NASL Open only had 190 people play (they expected a 1000 or so), a TLOpen is harder to get through...almost all of them were no names, and almost all the top foreigners did NOT play in the bracket (because they were all seeded). The playing field was essentially the TSL roster and some other Koreans.
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MudkipSEA`
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore67 Posts
July 11 2011 03:38 GMT
#11632
On July 11 2011 12:13 cusx wrote:
I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed


Please don't do that next time.


Me too. I skipped school too! Gawd.
"Ohh ohh ahhh imba repair" - oGsMC
tuho1234
Profile Joined July 2011
90 Posts
July 11 2011 03:42 GMT
#11633
EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 11 2011 03:44 GMT
#11634
On July 11 2011 12:33 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 12:02 MCDayC wrote:
On July 11 2011 11:14 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
I understand why people feel off about Puma's win. He was the best player this weekend; but someone "suddenly" coming in and taking it when everyone else slugged it out, sacrificed time and sleep and opportunities for months...

Maybe if someone could enlighten us on the nature of open bracket play, we might better appreciate Puma's win.


Almost every tournament has as open bracket. MLG, TSL, even the early GSL seasons were formed entirely of open tournaments. It's a standard. Puma still had to beat great players there, as it as filled with top koreans (and Thorzain!), so winning it by it self huge achievement. On top of that, Puma still had to win the fricking tournament. He had to play the number 1 seeded player Ret, the squirtle, the mofoing July, aaaannnnnddd beat MC. It's just a different method of getting to the top 16. Arguably a fairer and harder method, as he didn't get into the top 50 by a popularity contest, or have to play bad people for important places. So yeah. Puma deserved. And if MC won it, he would have deserved it. As would have Sen, and countless others that played this weekend, regardless of how they arrived at the top 16.

Puma deserved the win because of how he played. In the future, I still agree with the others saying NASL shouldn't bother holding an open tournament to fly someone over to the finals when they are playing an entire 50 other players for the whole season.

You can't compare the early GSL seasons because they were all open - meaning everybody has the same process. MLG, really the seeded players have to play for 2 days against the same 4 other players, the open bracket is full of randoms and the open player plays a MUCH harder road to the finals...NASL - the invited seeded players play for THREE MONTHS. That's the difference.

NOBODY is saying Puma didn't deserve the win, he absolutely does. NASL should consider the amount of effort though they are making the other 50 players have to deal with.

Edit: I just want to put finally, the NASL Open only had 190 people play (they expected a 1000 or so), a TLOpen is harder to get through...almost all of them were no names, and almost all the top foreigners did NOT play in the bracket (because they were all seeded). The playing field was essentially the TSL roster and some other Koreans.


I just disagree. I think you are making the nasl's regular season into some sort of marathon. Yes its 3 month long. But its one best of 3 a week. That's not bad at all.

I find Puma going undefeated in the open bracket much more deserving than hasu or darkforce going 5-4 in the regular season.
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Premier
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States503 Posts
July 11 2011 03:45 GMT
#11635
holy shit puma... nice fucking job
Picture Me Rollin' - DJ Premier, Titan of the Tables
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
July 11 2011 03:48 GMT
#11636
On July 11 2011 12:42 tuho1234 wrote:
EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.


Did you see the games? Psi Storm/Feedback is a good skill toi have the same way as EMP is.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
July 11 2011 03:50 GMT
#11637
So to the people who consider the open bracket easier: Do you think any of the invited players would rather have played in the open tournament instead of the group stages? No they wouldn't because it is harder, you can't lose a single bo3 which most players do eventually even if they are up against players worse than them. If by some miracle a weak player manages to win the open tournament in the future he'll never get far in the playoffs anyway.
MotherMargo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 05:00:50
July 11 2011 03:51 GMT
#11638
nukeazerg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States168 Posts
July 11 2011 04:13 GMT
#11639

On July 11 2011 10:26 Stanlot wrote:
As cool as it is that Puma won his first major tournament today, I hope NASL considers removing the open tournament slot in the grand finals bracket of the coming seasons. If I'm not mistaken, the competitors of season 2 and on earn their spots through a qualifier, right? Then there should be no reason for anyone to complain about anyone making it to the finals because they'll have played through the entire league and earned their place. As skilled as Puma is, it feels a bit wrong in my heart that someone who didn't dedicate 9 weeks of group play to the tournament come in and swept the whole thing.

Again, I'm not saying Puma isn't skilled or that he didn't earn his place in the finals. He beat a whole host of amazing players in the open tournament and wiped out even bigger names in the grand finals to win it all. I'm just saying that perhaps there shouldn't be a slot for anyone to just play one day's worth of games to get in while the rest of the players had to play over a course of 9 or so weeks and ungodly hours.


I agree. They have had an open tournament for some of the invites for season 2. Why the hell do they have another open to put a person in the finals. The world cup would not have a second round of qualifiers to put someone in the playoffs after group stage.
Quenchiest
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada286 Posts
July 11 2011 04:16 GMT
#11640
On July 11 2011 12:13 cusx wrote:
I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed


Please don't do that next time.


It's terrible that you missed it, but looking at the schedule one could have assumed it wasn't going to run the entire 8 hours. It was only scheduled as such so they had some sort of contingency and leniency with the timing.

They were being a bit TOO generous in that regard, though.
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