EPTNASL Grand Finals Day 3 - Page 582
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KT s0ng
Korea (South)88 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On July 11 2011 11:14 maryelizbethwinstead wrote: I understand why people feel off about Puma's win. He was the best player this weekend; but someone "suddenly" coming in and taking it when everyone else slugged it out, sacrificed time and sleep and opportunities for months... Maybe if someone could enlighten us on the nature of open bracket play, we might better appreciate Puma's win. Almost every tournament has as open bracket. MLG, TSL, even the early GSL seasons were formed entirely of open tournaments. It's a standard. Puma still had to beat great players there, as it as filled with top koreans (and Thorzain!), so winning it by it self huge achievement. On top of that, Puma still had to win the fricking tournament. He had to play the number 1 seeded player Ret, the squirtle, the mofoing July, aaaannnnnddd beat MC. It's just a different method of getting to the top 16. Arguably a fairer and harder method, as he didn't get into the top 50 by a popularity contest, or have to play bad people for important places. So yeah. Puma deserved. And if MC won it, he would have deserved it. As would have Sen, and countless others that played this weekend, regardless of how they arrived at the top 16. | ||
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
And finals were amazing :O | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
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cusx
Malaysia16 Posts
 Please don't do that next time. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
All I want now is that MarineKing wins the next NASL. Or GSL, whichever really. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
it was an invite only group stage, ask any pro what they would rather do, play in the groups or go through a single elim tournament for one single spot? | ||
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fearlessparagon
United States104 Posts
Some of the players in the closed brackets were there because of nepotism, so Puma coming in and going to the playoffs by pure skill shows that the video admissions process favors individuals who are prominent in the community, but not really good. | ||
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:02 MCDayC wrote: Almost every tournament has as open bracket. MLG, TSL, even the early GSL seasons were formed entirely of open tournaments. It's a standard. Puma still had to beat great players there, as it as filled with top koreans (and Thorzain!), so winning it by it self huge achievement. On top of that, Puma still had to win the fricking tournament. He had to play the number 1 seeded player Ret, the squirtle, the mofoing July, aaaannnnnddd beat MC. It's just a different method of getting to the top 16. Arguably a fairer and harder method, as he didn't get into the top 50 by a popularity contest, or have to play bad people for important places. So yeah. Puma deserved. And if MC won it, he would have deserved it. As would have Sen, and countless others that played this weekend, regardless of how they arrived at the top 16. Puma deserved the win because of how he played. In the future, I still agree with the others saying NASL shouldn't bother holding an open tournament to fly someone over to the finals when they are playing an entire 50 other players for the whole season. You can't compare the early GSL seasons because they were all open - meaning everybody has the same process. MLG, really the seeded players have to play for 2 days against the same 4 other players, the open bracket is full of randoms and the open player plays a MUCH harder road to the finals...NASL - the invited seeded players play for THREE MONTHS. That's the difference. NOBODY is saying Puma didn't deserve the win, he absolutely does. NASL should consider the amount of effort though they are making the other 50 players have to deal with. Edit: I just want to put finally, the NASL Open only had 190 people play (they expected a 1000 or so), a TLOpen is harder to get through...almost all of them were no names, and almost all the top foreigners did NOT play in the bracket (because they were all seeded). The playing field was essentially the TSL roster and some other Koreans. | ||
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MudkipSEA`
Singapore67 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:13 cusx wrote: I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed Please don't do that next time. Me too. I skipped school too! Gawd. | ||
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tuho1234
90 Posts
I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:33 PartyBiscuit wrote: Puma deserved the win because of how he played. In the future, I still agree with the others saying NASL shouldn't bother holding an open tournament to fly someone over to the finals when they are playing an entire 50 other players for the whole season. You can't compare the early GSL seasons because they were all open - meaning everybody has the same process. MLG, really the seeded players have to play for 2 days against the same 4 other players, the open bracket is full of randoms and the open player plays a MUCH harder road to the finals...NASL - the invited seeded players play for THREE MONTHS. That's the difference. NOBODY is saying Puma didn't deserve the win, he absolutely does. NASL should consider the amount of effort though they are making the other 50 players have to deal with. Edit: I just want to put finally, the NASL Open only had 190 people play (they expected a 1000 or so), a TLOpen is harder to get through...almost all of them were no names, and almost all the top foreigners did NOT play in the bracket (because they were all seeded). The playing field was essentially the TSL roster and some other Koreans. I just disagree. I think you are making the nasl's regular season into some sort of marathon. Yes its 3 month long. But its one best of 3 a week. That's not bad at all. I find Puma going undefeated in the open bracket much more deserving than hasu or darkforce going 5-4 in the regular season. | ||
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Premier
United States503 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:42 tuho1234 wrote: EMP just won every game for Puma, so sad I hope EMP deal less shield damage against Toss.Did you see the games? Psi Storm/Feedback is a good skill toi have the same way as EMP is. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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MotherMargo
United States8 Posts
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nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
On July 11 2011 10:26 Stanlot wrote: As cool as it is that Puma won his first major tournament today, I hope NASL considers removing the open tournament slot in the grand finals bracket of the coming seasons. If I'm not mistaken, the competitors of season 2 and on earn their spots through a qualifier, right? Then there should be no reason for anyone to complain about anyone making it to the finals because they'll have played through the entire league and earned their place. As skilled as Puma is, it feels a bit wrong in my heart that someone who didn't dedicate 9 weeks of group play to the tournament come in and swept the whole thing. Again, I'm not saying Puma isn't skilled or that he didn't earn his place in the finals. He beat a whole host of amazing players in the open tournament and wiped out even bigger names in the grand finals to win it all. I'm just saying that perhaps there shouldn't be a slot for anyone to just play one day's worth of games to get in while the rest of the players had to play over a course of 9 or so weeks and ungodly hours. I agree. They have had an open tournament for some of the invites for season 2. Why the hell do they have another open to put a person in the finals. The world cup would not have a second round of qualifiers to put someone in the playoffs after group stage. | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:13 cusx wrote: I'm very sad, knowing that the competition was moved earlier. I woke up at 8am just to be disappointed Please don't do that next time. It's terrible that you missed it, but looking at the schedule one could have assumed it wasn't going to run the entire 8 hours. It was only scheduled as such so they had some sort of contingency and leniency with the timing. They were being a bit TOO generous in that regard, though. | ||
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