NASL Grand Finals Day 3 - Page 578

Hey guys - These games are meant to be fun and for your entertainment. Caster and Player bashing will not be tolerated. Manner please!

Also, this is a Live Report thread - not the place to discuss your displeasure with the event or any of the people involved with it.

Lankeer

35 Posts

July 11 2011 01:17 GMT

#11541

Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.

kwizach

3658 Posts

July 11 2011 01:17 GMT

#11542

On July 11 2011 10:12 lorkac wrote:

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On July 11 2011 10:06 kwizach wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:59 lorkac wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:54 kunstderfugue wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:44 lorkac wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:36 kunstderfugue wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:34 travis wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:33 kunstderfugue wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:31 tdt wrote:

On July 11 2011 09:28 IVN wrote:
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When I read comments such as these, I ask myself whether there are Protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU.

When I read comments like these I wonder if English is your first language. What do you mean? That is not a complete sentence.

It is two sentences in fact

When i read comments such as these / I ask myself whethere there are protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU.

"When I read comments such as these" is not a complete sentence :D

Isn't it? it has a subject and a verb and an object and everything

in spanish at least we would consider that a complete sentence

Edit: i think it's a subordinate sentence so i'm kind of clear why it wouldn't be. it's still confusing though :/

It's fragmented sentence because the phrase "such as these" is not necessarily clear enough as to properly define or dictate what the object being talked about is doing or not doing. Specifically the phrase "When I read comments" can be understood as a complete sentence but upon inserting "such as these" you create a clause that is hanging.

However, the original sentence "When i read comments such as these, I ask myself whether there are protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU." is alright as a sentence--for the most part. It would be more "accurate" if it was "Whenever I read a comment similar to what you have just said, I have to ask myself whether or not there is a protoss player whose weakest matchup is not PvT."

However, in fairness, that is a ridiculously dumb sentence to say since it's far too dense and far to extended to be, as linguists like to say, a grammatical form of speech.

Woah thanks for the insightful analysis, i'm gonna have to re-run most of my language classes cuz i didn't seem to get the hang of it in 9 years :/

Oh please don't. Language Accuracy is only necessary in teaching the basics of a language. The importance of language is communication and the tropes and standards of communication evolve over time. It is the Academic's job to maintain accuracy in teaching the language but it is the "layman's" job to evolve it. Academics have to learn to catch up to the status-quo of impromptu communication otherwise they are simply removing themselves from society too much. Ivory Towers are bad for academics despite how pretty they are.

EDIT: Fixed a sentence lol

Your analysis was off the mark anyway. The problem with saying that "When I read comments such as these" is a sentence is not that "such as these" isn't clear enough. The problem is that it is a subordinate clause ("when" being a subordinate conjunction), meaning that it cannot stand alone as a sentence. See this link.

Cool beans.

"A subordinate clause cannot stand alone as a sentence because it does not provide a complete thought. The reader is left wondering, "So what happened?""

TLDR--It's not clear enough.

According to your link.

Thanks.

Erm, it's not clear enough because the thought behind the sentence has not been expressed. It has nothing to do with "such as these" not being precise enough (what you said). Let me give you an example. If I say:

"When I wake up"

Why is this not a sentence? Because one would be left wondering what is supposed to be attached to this. The thought behind the sentence has not been expressed, the sentence needs to be completed (for example: "when I wake up, I always want to go back to bed"). That's why it's a subordinate.

In your example, if the subordinate had been "When I read comments such as "you rock" ", the type of comments would have been precisely defined through the example "you rock" (thus what you said about "such as these" would have been "fixed"), but it would still be a subordinate and not a sentence.

Retgery

Canada1229 Posts

July 11 2011 01:17 GMT

#11543

Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

MechKing

United States3004 Posts

July 11 2011 01:17 GMT

#11544

On July 11 2011 10:04 LeopoldStotch wrote:
I bet if Thorzain had won the open bracket and took MC in a best of 7 match a lot of you wouldn't be saying shit. I bet the majority of people who complain about Puma are the ones who can't stand to see Koreans winning anything outside of Korea.

Btw, you can change this and say "I bet if MVP, NesTea or Bomber won the open bracket and took MC in a best of 7 match a lot of you would be saying shit"

Twinfun

United States156 Posts

July 11 2011 01:17 GMT

#11545

On July 11 2011 10:14 Twinfun wrote:
Only subscribers get to see the day 3 rerun?

Twinfun no get to see finals, I guess.... ):

proxY_

United States1561 Posts

July 11 2011 01:18 GMT

#11546

This isn't about Puma it's about the NASL system. If thorzain won the open bracket and won the tournament I'd be saying the same thing. Implying that there's some racial aspect here is ridiculous and it doesn't have a place in the discussion.

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

July 11 2011 01:18 GMT

#11547

On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

Just your everyday LR thread at TL. Nothing special.

mikedebo

Canada4341 Posts

July 11 2011 01:19 GMT

#11548

On July 11 2011 10:17 Twinfun wrote:

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Twinfun no get to see finals, I guess.... ):

You don't have 10 dollars and a paypal account?

I don't know how long it will take for the VODs to be uploaded, though. I'm going to check if they're somehow up already b/c I was working when the finals happened

red4ce

United States7313 Posts

July 11 2011 01:19 GMT

#11549

What a fine payday for Puma. He just went from literally having no earnings to 7th overall in SC2 career prize money thanks to his fifty grand.

kwizach

3658 Posts

July 11 2011 01:20 GMT

#11550

On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

Actually two people were arguing about sentence structure, then I jumped in when I saw that one of them provided an incorrect analysis of the problem :p Might as well enlighten them!

Ansinjunger

United States2451 Posts

July 11 2011 01:20 GMT

#11551

This whole argument about the fairness of the open bracket player vs those who played the league "for months" validates why there is only 1 player coming from the open tournament to the grand finals. Before NASL started all I heard was whining about how privileged the invited players were, blah blah (imagine John saying blah when kpop girls are talking) and "why is there only one spot from the open tourney?" etc. etc., plus the NightEnd and DeMuslim issues.

Now that that one player managed to take the final series in an unbelievably epic 4-3 win and get a smaller fan club thread than Lindsey Sporrer's (of which I am partially guilty, <3), it's probably time to cool off the nerd jets and go back to real life where women aren't quite as stunning and we all relatively suck at SC2.

Twinfun

United States156 Posts

July 11 2011 01:20 GMT

#11552

On July 11 2011 10:19 mikedebo wrote:

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Just a broke kid playing Sc2, bro. Twinfun sad. ):

MechKing

United States3004 Posts

July 11 2011 01:20 GMT

#11553

On July 11 2011 10:17 Lankeer wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything, no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.

LOL, this is the dumbest argument of them all. "oh if its so EZ, why dont you do it lolol"

BlindKill

Australia1508 Posts

July 11 2011 01:21 GMT

#11554

Tastosis must be pissed that they flew 8+ hours and did so little during NASL kekekekekekeek

mikedebo

Canada4341 Posts

July 11 2011 01:22 GMT

#11555

On July 11 2011 10:20 MechKing wrote:

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LOL, this is the dumbest argument of them all. "oh if its so EZ, why dont you do it lolol"

I think his point of "he just gave you the arguably the best series in sc2 history" has a fair bit of merit to it.

Alpino

Brazil4390 Posts

July 11 2011 01:23 GMT

#11556

On July 11 2011 10:22 mikedebo wrote:

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I think his point of "he just gave you the arguably the best series in sc2 history" has a fair bit of merit to it.

Haters gonna hate. Puma hwaiting.

Phaded

Australia579 Posts

July 11 2011 01:23 GMT

#11557

Puma beat Reducentropy, DIMAGA ,Sterling, linko, NightEnD, Clide, ALive to get to the finals. Not as many BO3s as the main season, but that was due to only 190 signing up for the open tournament. Would have been two more BO3s if the full 1024 was done

vyyye

Sweden3917 Posts

July 11 2011 01:23 GMT

#11558

On July 11 2011 10:21 BlindKill wrote:
Tastosis must be pissed that they flew 8+ hours and did so little during NASL kekekekekekeek

I think it'd be a nice change of pace to get to see a great tournament and just chill, just speculating but yeah. They got their ticket paid for didn't they?

CEPEHDREI

Germany1521 Posts

July 11 2011 01:24 GMT

#11559

OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
RT: @TSLPuma: UWAAAAA LET'S PARTY! PARTY!

have fun PuMa.

lorkac

United States2297 Posts

July 11 2011 01:26 GMT

#11560

On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

Technically, I agreed with him. I don't know why he sounds upset. I even thanked him.