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Hey guys - These games are meant to be fun and for your entertainment. Caster and Player bashing will not be tolerated. Manner please!

Also, this is a Live Report thread - not the place to discuss your displeasure with the event or any of the people involved with it.
Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 01:18:51
July 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#11541
Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
July 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#11542
On July 11 2011 10:12 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 10:06 kwizach wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:59 lorkac wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:54 kunstderfugue wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:44 lorkac wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:36 kunstderfugue wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:34 travis wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:33 kunstderfugue wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:31 tdt wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:28 IVN wrote:
[quote]
When I read comments such as these, I ask myself whether there are Protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU.

When I read comments like these I wonder if English is your first language. What do you mean? That is not a complete sentence.


It is two sentences in fact

When i read comments such as these / I ask myself whethere there are protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU.


"When I read comments such as these" is not a complete sentence :D


Isn't it? it has a subject and a verb and an object and everything in spanish at least we would consider that a complete sentence

Edit: i think it's a subordinate sentence so i'm kind of clear why it wouldn't be. it's still confusing though :/


It's fragmented sentence because the phrase "such as these" is not necessarily clear enough as to properly define or dictate what the object being talked about is doing or not doing. Specifically the phrase "When I read comments" can be understood as a complete sentence but upon inserting "such as these" you create a clause that is hanging.

However, the original sentence "When i read comments such as these, I ask myself whether there are protoss players to whom PvT isnt the weakest MU." is alright as a sentence--for the most part. It would be more "accurate" if it was "Whenever I read a comment similar to what you have just said, I have to ask myself whether or not there is a protoss player whose weakest matchup is not PvT."

However, in fairness, that is a ridiculously dumb sentence to say since it's far too dense and far to extended to be, as linguists like to say, a grammatical form of speech.


Woah thanks for the insightful analysis, i'm gonna have to re-run most of my language classes cuz i didn't seem to get the hang of it in 9 years :/


Oh please don't. Language Accuracy is only necessary in teaching the basics of a language. The importance of language is communication and the tropes and standards of communication evolve over time. It is the Academic's job to maintain accuracy in teaching the language but it is the "layman's" job to evolve it. Academics have to learn to catch up to the status-quo of impromptu communication otherwise they are simply removing themselves from society too much. Ivory Towers are bad for academics despite how pretty they are.

EDIT: Fixed a sentence lol

Your analysis was off the mark anyway. The problem with saying that "When I read comments such as these" is a sentence is not that "such as these" isn't clear enough. The problem is that it is a subordinate clause ("when" being a subordinate conjunction), meaning that it cannot stand alone as a sentence. See this link.


Cool beans.

"A subordinate clause cannot stand alone as a sentence because it does not provide a complete thought. The reader is left wondering, "So what happened?""

TLDR--It's not clear enough.

According to your link.

Thanks.

Erm, it's not clear enough because the thought behind the sentence has not been expressed. It has nothing to do with "such as these" not being precise enough (what you said). Let me give you an example. If I say:

"When I wake up"

Why is this not a sentence? Because one would be left wondering what is supposed to be attached to this. The thought behind the sentence has not been expressed, the sentence needs to be completed (for example: "when I wake up, I always want to go back to bed"). That's why it's a subordinate.

In your example, if the subordinate had been "When I read comments such as "you rock" ", the type of comments would have been precisely defined through the example "you rock" (thus what you said about "such as these" would have been "fixed"), but it would still be a subordinate and not a sentence.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
July 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#11543
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#11544
On July 11 2011 10:04 LeopoldStotch wrote:
I bet if Thorzain had won the open bracket and took MC in a best of 7 match a lot of you wouldn't be saying shit. I bet the majority of people who complain about Puma are the ones who can't stand to see Koreans winning anything outside of Korea.

Btw, you can change this and say "I bet if MVP, NesTea or Bomber won the open bracket and took MC in a best of 7 match a lot of you would be saying shit"
Twinfun
Profile Joined September 2010
United States156 Posts
July 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#11545
On July 11 2011 10:14 Twinfun wrote:
Only subscribers get to see the day 3 rerun?


Twinfun no get to see finals, I guess.... ):
HerO | Byun
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
July 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#11546
On July 11 2011 10:04 LeopoldStotch wrote:
I bet if Thorzain had won the open bracket and took MC in a best of 7 match a lot of you wouldn't be saying shit. I bet the majority of people who complain about Puma are the ones who can't stand to see Koreans winning anything outside of Korea.


This isn't about Puma it's about the NASL system. If thorzain won the open bracket and won the tournament I'd be saying the same thing. Implying that there's some racial aspect here is ridiculous and it doesn't have a place in the discussion.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
July 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#11547
On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

Just your everyday LR thread at TL. Nothing special.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
July 11 2011 01:19 GMT
#11548
On July 11 2011 10:17 Twinfun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 10:14 Twinfun wrote:
Only subscribers get to see the day 3 rerun?


Twinfun no get to see finals, I guess.... ):


You don't have 10 dollars and a paypal account?

I don't know how long it will take for the VODs to be uploaded, though. I'm going to check if they're somehow up already b/c I was working when the finals happened
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 01:20:15
July 11 2011 01:19 GMT
#11549
What a fine payday for Puma. He just went from literally having no earnings to 7th overall in SC2 career prize money thanks to his fifty grand.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
July 11 2011 01:20 GMT
#11550
On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?

Actually two people were arguing about sentence structure, then I jumped in when I saw that one of them provided an incorrect analysis of the problem :p Might as well enlighten them!
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 11 2011 01:20 GMT
#11551
This whole argument about the fairness of the open bracket player vs those who played the league "for months" validates why there is only 1 player coming from the open tournament to the grand finals. Before NASL started all I heard was whining about how privileged the invited players were, blah blah (imagine John saying blah when kpop girls are talking) and "why is there only one spot from the open tourney?" etc. etc., plus the NightEnd and DeMuslim issues.

Now that that one player managed to take the final series in an unbelievably epic 4-3 win and get a smaller fan club thread than Lindsey Sporrer's (of which I am partially guilty, <3), it's probably time to cool off the nerd jets and go back to real life where women aren't quite as stunning and we all relatively suck at SC2.
Twinfun
Profile Joined September 2010
United States156 Posts
July 11 2011 01:20 GMT
#11552
On July 11 2011 10:19 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 10:17 Twinfun wrote:
On July 11 2011 10:14 Twinfun wrote:
Only subscribers get to see the day 3 rerun?


Twinfun no get to see finals, I guess.... ):


You don't have 10 dollars and a paypal account?

I don't know how long it will take for the VODs to be uploaded, though. I'm going to check if they're somehow up already b/c I was working when the finals happened


Just a broke kid playing Sc2, bro. Twinfun sad. ):
HerO | Byun
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 11 2011 01:20 GMT
#11553
On July 11 2011 10:17 Lankeer wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything, no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.

LOL, this is the dumbest argument of them all. "oh if its so EZ, why dont you do it lolol"
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
July 11 2011 01:21 GMT
#11554
Tastosis must be pissed that they flew 8+ hours and did so little during NASL kekekekekekeek
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
July 11 2011 01:22 GMT
#11555
On July 11 2011 10:20 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 10:17 Lankeer wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything, no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.

LOL, this is the dumbest argument of them all. "oh if its so EZ, why dont you do it lolol"


I think his point of "he just gave you the arguably the best series in sc2 history" has a fair bit of merit to it.
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
July 11 2011 01:23 GMT
#11556
On July 11 2011 10:22 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 10:20 MechKing wrote:
On July 11 2011 10:17 Lankeer wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, some people can find fault in everything, no matter how awesome it may be. PuMa just gave you arguably the best series in sc2 history. He had to defeat many great progamers on his way to becoming champion, yet suddenly this incredible player does not deserve to be there? Surely Ret, who got demolished easily by PuMa without even putting up a fight, has less right to be there? And if going through the open bracket requires so little of a time/money investment, I hereby challenge all of the haters to cruise throught the open bracket with ease and appear in the season 2 finals.

LOL, this is the dumbest argument of them all. "oh if its so EZ, why dont you do it lolol"


I think his point of "he just gave you the arguably the best series in sc2 history" has a fair bit of merit to it.


Haters gonna hate. Puma hwaiting.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
July 11 2011 01:23 GMT
#11557
Puma beat Reducentropy, DIMAGA ,Sterling, linko, NightEnD, Clide, ALive to get to the finals. Not as many BO3s as the main season, but that was due to only 190 signing up for the open tournament. Would have been two more BO3s if the full 1024 was done
I am down but I am far from over
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
July 11 2011 01:23 GMT
#11558
On July 11 2011 10:21 BlindKill wrote:
Tastosis must be pissed that they flew 8+ hours and did so little during NASL kekekekekekeek

I think it'd be a nice change of pace to get to see a great tournament and just chill, just speculating but yeah. They got their ticket paid for didn't they?
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
July 11 2011 01:24 GMT
#11559
OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
RT: @TSLPuma: UWAAAAA LET'S PARTY! PARTY!

have fun PuMa.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 11 2011 01:26 GMT
#11560
On July 11 2011 10:17 Retgery wrote:
Are there actually two people arguing about sentence structure?


Technically, I agreed with him. I don't know why he sounds upset. I even thanked him.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
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