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butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1041
On July 05 2011 08:27 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:26 MechKing wrote:
I think everyone has played some type of CoD, but for those who haven't: the game type they're playing is SnD. It's basically like Counter Strike where one team has the bomb and has to plant it in the time allotted, and the other team has to defend two bomb sites, A and B. Either team can win if they kill all of the other team. Defense can also win if the offensive team doesn't plant the bomb in time or if the bomb is defused. Offense can win if the bomb is planted and it's not defused on time.


Makes me wonder why they aren't just playing CS.

cant afford a pc
Marauder Die Die
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1042
Ugh... Yeah, I just continued watching some of it and it's about as bad as what I remembered from watching it at Dallas.

Halo should be decent though.
Cave
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden18 Posts
July 04 2011 23:30 GMT
#1043
On July 05 2011 08:21 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:18 labbe wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only different thing id do would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.

Two wrongs doesn't make one right.

Uhhhhh there was only 1 wrong.


I really dig MLG. Loved their last big event.

But to say it was professional to kick 2GD mid stream and then message TOTALBISCUIT rude messages that were meant for 2GD is the very OPPOSITE of professional.
I have the Will.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#1044
On July 05 2011 08:29 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:27 Exarl25 wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:26 MechKing wrote:
I think everyone has played some type of CoD, but for those who haven't: the game type they're playing is SnD. It's basically like Counter Strike where one team has the bomb and has to plant it in the time allotted, and the other team has to defend two bomb sites, A and B. Either team can win if they kill all of the other team. Defense can also win if the offensive team doesn't plant the bomb in time or if the bomb is defused. Offense can win if the bomb is planted and it's not defused on time.


Makes me wonder why they aren't just playing CS.

cant afford a pc


and it takes skill,,
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#1045
On July 05 2011 08:29 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:27 MechKing wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Yes, it would be more difficult. They have the option to turn it off though.

Only in Singleplayer iirc

Hmm I haven't turned it off or played single player so idk xD
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
July 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#1046
On July 05 2011 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:27 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:22 Kennigit wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:20 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


The main point is that what he said wasn't particularly harmful nor anything that hadn't been said before by other employees of MLG.

Right and they don't do it in the middle of the broadcast - look how professional all the casters are in every single broadcast, even when things are shitting the bed. It's not Homestory Cup, it's not a lan with a stream, MLG always presents itself at super high level of professionalism no matter what happens with stream crashes etc.


And which would people prefer to see more of? MLG or Homestory Cup? Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like the more laid back approach is what people prefer. Not everyone likes completely neutered casts for the sake of professionalism. I know that for example, when I watched MLG Columbus and saw all the random lag spikes never once being mentioned by the casters I found it really awkward, because it's so obvious that they're being forced not to mention anything about stuff like that for no good reason other than perceived bad PR or something.


Well way more people watched MLG for one. And guess who the main stream sponsors are supporting? Its not Homestory. I loved Homestory Cup. But its completely different than MLG and any other tournament.


MLG events are 1000x times more hyped though.
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
July 04 2011 23:32 GMT
#1047
On July 05 2011 08:22 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:20 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


The main point is that what he said wasn't particularly harmful nor anything that hadn't been said before by other employees of MLG.

Right and they don't do it in the middle of the broadcast - look how professional all the casters are in every single broadcast, even when things are shitting the bed. It's not Homestory Cup, it's not a lan with a stream, MLG always presents itself at super high level of professionalism no matter what happens with stream crashes etc.


Hmm fair points. The only thing I disagree with is that what he said was in any negative to MLG or any of the sponsors. Unless they specifically told him to "not be yourself" or "you can't say xxxxx" then it's on MLG for not knowing what they asked for.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 04 2011 23:32 GMT
#1048
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Yeah, it's perfectly doable if you are really good.

While this is just Pub Stomping, this guys is properly good and plays without auto aim. I would hope that the pros are required to play without it, but apparently not.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 04 2011 23:32 GMT
#1049
Btw if anyone is wondering why they are using the same gun, the FAMAS is probably the best gun in the game. It has a high rate of fire, decent power and pretty easy to control recoil, so most people use it.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
July 04 2011 23:32 GMT
#1050
On July 05 2011 08:31 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:29 Slakter wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:27 MechKing wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Yes, it would be more difficult. They have the option to turn it off though.

Only in Singleplayer iirc

Hmm I haven't turned it off or played single player so idk xD


Pretty sure it can be toggled on or off in MP too. Maybe that was MW2 i'm thinking of. Still have fun playing this game though. W/o autoaim it is pretty fucking hard though. It definitely a requirement imo.
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Moai
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy47 Posts
July 04 2011 23:32 GMT
#1051
On July 05 2011 06:33 Glowbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 06:33 K_Dilkington wrote:
Where did 2GD go? These casters are terrible.


edit: this was posted on the #teamliquid channel @ quakenet right after (conclude from that what you want):

[ 23:31.39 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): hey guys
-[ 23:31.40 ]- -( railin ): do people play 2v2 quake live?
-[ 23:31.40 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): 2gd here
-[ 23:31.44 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): i wont be casting the second map
-[ 23:31.47 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): cus mlg removed me from the convo
-[ 23:31.50 ]- -( Batcha ): i bet my rail isnt far off from this avekkk :D
-[ 23:31.56 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): [23:30:43] MLG - JP McDaniel: mlg asked me to after the dreamhack comment
-[ 23:31.56 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): [23:30:43] MLG - JP McDaniel:
-[ 23:31.56 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): [23:30:45] MLG - JP McDaniel: not my call
-[ 23:31.56 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): [23:30:46] MLG - JP McDaniel: sorry
-[ 23:32.01 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): i think i made a dreamhack / mlg joke
-[ 23:32.03 ]- -( Dragonfly` ): and it upset them

and his twitter basically confirms it: http://twitter.com/follow2GD/status/87999773092753408


what a shame ....

watta bunch of dumbs can do that ?
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:37:55
July 04 2011 23:33 GMT
#1052


Here's what 2GD got booted for if anyone's interested.
Popss
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden176 Posts
July 04 2011 23:33 GMT
#1053
And again in an effort to appear professional an e-sport organization has made a beginner PR mistake and created a controversy that hurts them more than the initial "drama" would ever have.

We need to send these people to a seminar or something.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 04 2011 23:34 GMT
#1054
On July 05 2011 08:32 MechKing wrote:
Btw if anyone is wondering why they are using the same gun, the FAMAS is probably the best gun in the game. It has a high rate of fire, decent power and pretty easy to control recoil, so most people use it.


Yeah, I remember pretty everyone using the FAMAS last time I watched as well.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:49:53
July 04 2011 23:34 GMT
#1055
On July 05 2011 08:26 snurre wrote:
Kennigit: Did you watch the stream? Did you find the production quality professional enough to warrant MLG's high-horse stance? I didn't think so.

Are you suggesting that a company's PR/Marketting/Professionalism should be based on how well their stream performs????

McDonalds new slogan: "Badabahbahbah We'll make you a fat fuck"

If you are a caster for a company/site/production, you are the face of that brand for the ___ hours that you are on. You put a huge amount of trust into the people that you have cast events which is why our regular roster is small. 2GD made jabs at MLG during Dreamhack which were pretty funny in context - he wasn't working for them, he was working for a "rival" and it was topical. If you are suggesting that when he signs-on for an event that its acceptable for him not to be trust worthy in representing your product then he shouldn't cast anything past community show matches.

It's all about context - JP could come on screen in a wifebeater and old jeans. Theres a reason he doesn't present him the same way on stream as when we are at an after party. He doesn't because there's a big focus on professionalism at all times on MLG. .The same isn't true for something like HSC, or even Dream Hack despite how smoothly they both run - the environments are much more relaxed. Either respect that, or don't sign up.

DJWheat had lots to say about MLG (after Dallas), on Lo3 and WoC....he wouldn't dare do it during a live broadcast because he "gets it". If this is alien to you, i totally understand that - just don't volunteer your time to casting. 2GD is a very smart articulate boy and knew exactly what he was doing, and as funny as he is, i don't have an ounce of sympathy for him getting yanked.
HaRxTears
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
July 04 2011 23:34 GMT
#1056
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.



They knew about 2GD's reputation and casting style with alot of BM like you said and they still got him on. 2GD has his casting style and thats wy people like him......MLG took the risk here and it bit MLG in the ass not 2GD...its not 2GD getting shyt but its MLG that shot themselfs in the foot with doing this.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
July 04 2011 23:35 GMT
#1057
On July 05 2011 08:33 Popss wrote:
And again in an effort to appear professional an e-sport organization has made a beginner PR mistake and created a controversy that hurts them more than the initial "drama" would ever have.

We need to send these people to a seminar or something.


Yep, you would think there's a few people working at MLG that have any knowledge about this.
Since I've only been bashing on MLG tonight I just wanna say:
Their tournaments are really great, but damn the production staff isn't
Speny
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada71 Posts
July 04 2011 23:36 GMT
#1058
Haha did he just say "Like Artosis always says, 'when you win, win more' " ? Pretty awesome
"I love starcraft, and I love that I love starcraft." - Striderdoom
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 04 2011 23:36 GMT
#1059
On July 05 2011 08:34 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:32 MechKing wrote:
Btw if anyone is wondering why they are using the same gun, the FAMAS is probably the best gun in the game. It has a high rate of fire, decent power and pretty easy to control recoil, so most people use it.


Yeah, I remember pretty everyone using the FAMAS last time I watched as well.

It recently got nerfed though, the ADS time is now slower so the AUG is probably the better gun right now. Idk when this game was played but it seems to be pre recorded so it might not have been on the last patch
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 04 2011 23:36 GMT
#1060
Yeah! Artosis shout-out
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