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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 04 2011 23:25 GMT
#1021
On July 05 2011 08:21 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


If the E-sports community isn't mature enough to handle such things without everyone crying about a little joke or some swear words, then I don't foresee a bright future for it, this happens everywhere in the 'normal' world.

It has nothing to do with maturity. Its about professionalism.
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tholyc
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany116 Posts
July 04 2011 23:25 GMT
#1022
I can't take this serious after basically growing up with CS :/
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1023
On July 05 2011 08:22 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:20 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


The main point is that what he said wasn't particularly harmful nor anything that hadn't been said before by other employees of MLG.

Right and they don't do it in the middle of the broadcast - look how professional all the casters are in every single broadcast, even when things are shitting the bed. It's not Homestory Cup, it's not a lan with a stream, MLG always presents itself at super high level of professionalism no matter what happens with stream crashes etc.



If they wanted to be super professional "NO FUN ALLOWED" they should not have hired 2gd then.

Or even these cod blackops guys either.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1024
On July 05 2011 08:25 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:23 Fyzar wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:22 PlosionCornu wrote:
There were swear words during the sc2 cast? Where lol, I didn't notice anything really.

Are you serious ;p? At least Ret threw in some; that fucked me up; his timing really fucked up my play etc. Still not sure why people care though, it's just freaking words..


If this community is gonna start crying about sum1 saying ''that fucked me up'' now, Starcraft II should just vanish because all hope is lost -.-

Nobody is crying about it afaik? I didn't see any comments in this thread, apart from the one from Kennigit.
It appears I have been chosen.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1025
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..
SC2, rip in pepperinos
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1026
i think kennigit, people are mad at how it was handled. just outright removed him suddenly out of nowhere. for a pretty minor reason. sure you said you would of handled it off air.
perfect. after the matches. or even during the matches ask him not to joke about mlg tech problems then afterwards have a talk with him about it. problem solved. everyone is happy. but no they just booted him.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1027
--- Nuked ---
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:29:48
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1028
I think everyone has played some type of CoD, but for those who haven't: the game type they're playing is Search and Destroy. It's basically like Counter Strike where one team has the bomb and has to plant it in the time allotted, and the other team has to defend two bomb sites, A and B. Either team can win if they kill all of the other team. Defense can also win if the offensive team doesn't plant the bomb in time or if the bomb is defused. Offense can win if the bomb is planted and it's not defused on time.
snurre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States118 Posts
July 04 2011 23:26 GMT
#1029
Kennigit: Did you watch the stream? Did you find the production quality professional enough to warrant MLG's high-horse stance? I didn't think so.

If anyone freaked out, it was MLG. Nobody gave a shit about that joke, the few who heard it just laughed and got on with it. It wasn't even bashing, it was nothing more than a comparative statement so obvious everyone knew the underlying point the second it was said. If the stream quality had been acceptable compared to other tournaments or community events, it would've been out of place. It wasn't. The ONLY thing MLG should've done here was to ignore it. They caused more harm than that joke would every have done. Do you seriously think a sponsor would think that joke was worse than the quality, production value and MLG's response? No way.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1030
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Some snipers in some games have no auto aim. But its pretty hard to.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1031
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Yes, it would be more difficult. They have the option to turn it off though.
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1032
On July 05 2011 08:22 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:20 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


The main point is that what he said wasn't particularly harmful nor anything that hadn't been said before by other employees of MLG.

Right and they don't do it in the middle of the broadcast - look how professional all the casters are in every single broadcast, even when things are shitting the bed. It's not Homestory Cup, it's not a lan with a stream, MLG always presents itself at super high level of professionalism no matter what happens with stream crashes etc.


And which would people prefer to see more of? MLG or Homestory Cup? Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like the more laid back approach is what people prefer. Not everyone likes completely neutered casts for the sake of professionalism. I know that for example, when I watched MLG Columbus and saw all the random lag spikes never once being mentioned by the casters I found it really awkward, because it's so obvious that they're being forced not to mention anything about stuff like that for no good reason other than perceived bad PR or something.
Fayfay
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden128 Posts
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1033
Console fps, what a joke.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:28:15
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1034
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..


Some have more accurate and effective auto-aim than others, CoD has pretty effective auto-aim...

It would be possible to aim without it, some have very minimal magnetism but it makes the game harder.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
July 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#1035
On July 05 2011 08:26 MechKing wrote:
I think everyone has played some type of CoD, but for those who haven't: the game type they're playing is SnD. It's basically like Counter Strike where one team has the bomb and has to plant it in the time allotted, and the other team has to defend two bomb sites, A and B. Either team can win if they kill all of the other team. Defense can also win if the offensive team doesn't plant the bomb in time or if the bomb is defused. Offense can win if the bomb is planted and it's not defused on time.


Makes me wonder why they aren't just playing CS.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1036
On July 05 2011 08:26 MechKing wrote:
I think everyone has played some type of CoD, but for those who haven't: the game type they're playing is SnD. It's basically like Counter Strike where one team has the bomb and has to plant it in the time allotted, and the other team has to defend two bomb sites, A and B. Either team can win if they kill all of the other team. Defense can also win if the offensive team doesn't plant the bomb in time or if the bomb is defused. Offense can win if the bomb is planted and it's not defused on time.


Thank you MechKing, for making a post about the actual event going on instead of forum drama.
aka ilovesharkpeople
Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1037
Goddamn how can you stand watching this? It's just like watching a kill montage with commentary that kinda relates to what you're seeing.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1038
On July 05 2011 08:27 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:26 Kevan wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 cyprin wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:24 Weson wrote:
Are autoaim allowed ?


autoaim is built into console shooters


Would it be possible to aim at all with a controller without autoaim? Just wondering..

Yes, it would be more difficult. They have the option to turn it off though.

Only in Singleplayer iirc
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1039
On July 05 2011 08:27 BasedSwag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 08:22 Kennigit wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:20 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 05 2011 08:16 Kennigit wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out? If we had a caster get on TSL and shit on TL do you think we'd keep him around? The only change i'd make would be to yank him after the cast to minimize drama. Lessons learned etc.

Think of it from MLG's pov - its a brand new product that they were already having issues with. The SC2 cast before it was laced with swear words from TLO/MrBitter/Ret which is huge nono and probably already left them uncomfortable. On top of that there are sponsors watching - MLG are promoting it a lot and when you have a loose cannon who has a history of shitting on you (teasing or not - sponsors dont care about that) it looks incredibly bad. I'm not surprised they yanked 2GD - i'm more surprised Slasher convinced everyone to give him shot (after dreamhack). Whats he going to do next - say that Astro is a shit brand and that he only uses Razer headsets? The trust is gone at that point.

I think 2GD is really entertaining, and his BM is pretty funny - but don't pull your bitch-forks out when it bites him in the ass.


The main point is that what he said wasn't particularly harmful nor anything that hadn't been said before by other employees of MLG.

Right and they don't do it in the middle of the broadcast - look how professional all the casters are in every single broadcast, even when things are shitting the bed. It's not Homestory Cup, it's not a lan with a stream, MLG always presents itself at super high level of professionalism no matter what happens with stream crashes etc.


And which would people prefer to see more of? MLG or Homestory Cup? Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like the more laid back approach is what people prefer. Not everyone likes completely neutered casts for the sake of professionalism. I know that for example, when I watched MLG Columbus and saw all the random lag spikes never once being mentioned by the casters I found it really awkward, because it's so obvious that they're being forced not to mention anything about stuff like that for no good reason other than perceived bad PR or something.


Well way more people watched MLG for one. And guess who the main stream sponsors are supporting? Its not Homestory. I loved Homestory Cup. But its completely different than MLG and any other tournament.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
okuraku
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
July 04 2011 23:29 GMT
#1040
Copied directly from MarkyO's post on reddit but I figure he hit the point best. And it doesn't even include the lashing out from mrmlgclap and BM'ing of TB (who wasn't even involved here...)

Ok MLG look... I don't know who you think you might be... Maybe you've never heard the name James "2GD" Harding but I can tell you this.
When you get 2GD to do something you should know what you get. You get 2GD. You get his awesome knowledge of every game he casts and you also get his pure and raw excitement for the game.
You also get his personality. His candid humor that shouldn't be taken seriously. It's all just for a bit of fun. That's his personality. And for kicking him off for that one little thing just proves to me that you just didn't don't know who the fuck he was when you asked him. Because when 2GD throws in a few quips in commentary and throws a quick jab at someone and goes back to commentary, not only am I not surprised he said it, It was expected. It's 2GD. I would be disappointed if I didn't get to experience that part of your personality that makes the viewing all that much more pleasurable.
And one last thing. I realize this is an MLG thing. Whatever. It's also not a major tournament. No money is on the line. It's all for fun. It's for the celebration of the 4th of July. It's supposed to be laid back. Chill. We're all supposed to be able to laugh and have fun. So when you kick someone for doing what he does best, and you cause this stream to go from fun and in the spirit of things to awkward. You take the celebratory experience out of things. You make me want to just close the stream do something else because I can't stand this "You said something about us and we didn't like it so you're gone" attitude on a day that's supposed to be filled with fun. So take the stick out of your ass will you.
http://twitch.tv/okuraku | Member of Team Legacy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148872
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