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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:
Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.
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On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.
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On June 20 2011 20:47 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:37 Mandalor wrote:On June 20 2011 20:34 CubEdIn wrote:
Can someone please explain to me how is "Advancing forward" correct in English? Cuz it sounds pretty stupid from where I'm standing. Can you advance backwards or sideways? I'd say you can advance sideways if you're advancing to a specific location or in this case advancing towards your opponent. Advancing backwards sounds weird but should be correct anyway. ad·vance/ədˈvans/ Noun: A forward movement: "the rebels' advance on Madrid"; "the advance of civilization". Verb: Move forward, typically in a purposeful way: "the troops advanced on the capital". So yeah, "is Advancing" implies moving forward. Day9 is constantly saying he's moving forward forward, and it's annoying as heck. Other than that, DreamHack rocks! :D
It's not a Day9 thing, advancing forward is a widely used term lol
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So it's USA vs Korea finals =)
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On June 20 2011 20:43 StimMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:39 michielbrands wrote:On June 20 2011 20:36 DailYLeet wrote:On June 20 2011 20:35 Zaurus wrote:
Foreigners stand a chance if they train like the koreans! Go Huk! yeah think of how good NANIWA and THORZAIN will be when the train in korea!!!!!!!!! The problem is not train "in" Korea, it's train "like" Koreans. It's all about the dedication and the amount of effort you'll put in your training. Not too sure if this is true. It can be more than just the time and effort that the Koreans put in that foreigners have to emulate. Keep in mind that HuK has enjoyed the technical discussions and deep gameplay insight from MC as well as other oGs team members. This alone would have improved his play by a lot. A good analogy would be a SC2 ladder player who does not come on TL at all but practices 8 hours a day. Compare him to someone who reads all the guides and tips on TL forums and also practices 8 hours a day. Who will end up the better player? My guess is the latter. Learning proper technique requires a lot more than just hardwork.
I would say reading the strategy forum actually rots your brain.
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On June 20 2011 20:48 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:46 Nesquik wrote:
Is there anyone from United Kingdom here who can tell the time that the Grand Final will be at. I think it's 5:30pm ? Yeah. 5.30pm for us.
Sweet baby Jesus i will be back from work and be able to watch it in it's full glory! Thanks !
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On June 20 2011 20:42 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:40 mcc wrote:On June 20 2011 20:36 ChickenLips wrote:On June 20 2011 20:36 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Korean top 3??? NOPE! HuK is korean. And Idra,Ret, Haypro, TLO and even Tyler also, but only when they win, yes ? It is just so funny, when HuK was doing poorly he was not Korean, now he is. When other foreigners beat HuK, it was just foreigner vs foreigner, when he beats Koreans he is Korean. The Korean fanboys are just funny to read. Ret and Haypro didn't really practice, Tyler has never won in SC2, TLO can't practice because of his injury. What makes you korean is the practice, not the nationality or genes.
Nice excuses. And Tyler I meant in SCBW, he was practicing in Korea, so according to your logic he is/was Korean. But all that would be somewhat ok, if it was consistent, but if HuK lost you would be saying he is foreigner.
And nope, Korean is defined as nationality and/or citizenship, or at least origin, none of those apply in this case.
EDIT:typo
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On June 20 2011 20:48 StimMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:46 Paradice wrote:On June 20 2011 20:45 snafoo wrote:
Ok, so how many hours from now is the finals meant to be? With these massive breaks why on earth couldn't these later games be Bo5's.... Ahh, a fellow kiwi.. finals start at 12:30am our time  Actually it's 4.30AM for the grand finals in NZ time.
Exam tomorrow at 2pm FUCK YEAH
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Why the fuck is this debate even going on, let Huk have his fucking win, he practices 12 hours a day, hes got huge balls and dedication to be playing where he makes nowhere near as much money as all the guys outside korea, BUT HE DOES IT BECAUSE HE KNOWS KOREA>NONKOREA, and he knows that will make him better, he is a foreigner with korean training. Just like Idra was in 2008-2010.
On June 20 2011 20:49 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:43 StimMarine wrote:On June 20 2011 20:39 michielbrands wrote:On June 20 2011 20:36 DailYLeet wrote:On June 20 2011 20:35 Zaurus wrote:
Foreigners stand a chance if they train like the koreans! Go Huk! yeah think of how good NANIWA and THORZAIN will be when the train in korea!!!!!!!!! The problem is not train "in" Korea, it's train "like" Koreans. It's all about the dedication and the amount of effort you'll put in your training. Not too sure if this is true. It can be more than just the time and effort that the Koreans put in that foreigners have to emulate. Keep in mind that HuK has enjoyed the technical discussions and deep gameplay insight from MC as well as other oGs team members. This alone would have improved his play by a lot. A good analogy would be a SC2 ladder player who does not come on TL at all but practices 8 hours a day. Compare him to someone who reads all the guides and tips on TL forums and also practices 8 hours a day. Who will end up the better player? My guess is the latter. Learning proper technique requires a lot more than just hardwork. I would say reading the sc2 forums actually rots your brain.
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On June 20 2011 20:49 Steamroller wrote:
So it's USA vs Korea finals =)
You mean Canada. 
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On June 20 2011 20:47 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:37 Mandalor wrote:On June 20 2011 20:34 CubEdIn wrote:
Can someone please explain to me how is "Advancing forward" correct in English? Cuz it sounds pretty stupid from where I'm standing. Can you advance backwards or sideways? I'd say you can advance sideways if you're advancing to a specific location or in this case advancing towards your opponent. Advancing backwards sounds weird but should be correct anyway. ad·vance/ədˈvans/ Noun: A forward movement: "the rebels' advance on Madrid"; "the advance of civilization". Verb: Move forward, typically in a purposeful way: "the troops advanced on the capital". So yeah, "is Advancing" implies moving forward. Day9 is constantly saying he's moving forward forward, and it's annoying as heck. Other than that, DreamHack rocks! :D
It's not just Day9 though, it is commonly used in English.
A lot of English phrases are redundant and useless, but so are a lot of things about the language.
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On June 20 2011 20:46 ChickenLips wrote:
Well second place in a tournament with decent Koreans is a huge achievement for a TeamLiquid member anyways.
No way HuK will beat Bomber, the guy has way too refined macro and decision making in TvP.
People said that he was not oging to get july in any world and there he is in the finals. Let them be played before claiming he is second.
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The main point is that if you class Huk as korean then you class Jinro as korean. In that case, not all the Korean's have looked that good this tournament.
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On June 20 2011 20:41 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:40 hifriend wrote:
That was some remarkably bad play by july, but spire vs blink is always a tough situation so..
At least I get to see bomber own him in the finals (seriously no chance for huk vs bomber).. Thanks for your positive and constructive input to this LR thread. HuK beat MMA, took a game off Mvp when he was in a slump, and he can definitely beat Bomber.
Bomber will be much harder than MMA (don't forget that MMA lost to SanGho in his first code A, he has not really a good TvP) but I'm sure that he can win this one : Bomber has crazy mechanics but his play seems a bit "predictable" and maybe too much standard.
Gogo Huk, win DH and then crush faces at GSL 
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lol, when huk isn't doing well he's "Canadian", he finally puts in a decent performance and he's "Canadian-America", american's desperately trying to put some claim to a decent sc2 player on the international scene that isn't idra.
flames inc!
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On June 20 2011 20:48 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:45 Rinnegan5 wrote:
I am just really glad koreans dont get first second and third place. Huk keeping up the pride for the foreigners! I dont know how others feel but only koreans finishing top places was getting old really fast. But Huk finishing so high just reinforces the fact that the Korean infrastructure is superior by miles to everyone else. The only foreign player to beat a Korean this weekend in the tournament was the guy who lives and trains with the oGs team. I think people look at the whole scene debate by just color of skin or how they look instead of where they play/practice. Having a coach, the living environment, schedule, and people like MC, Nada, and TOP around will make you a much better play. Ever since Idra left Korea, he's regressed mightily while Huk has become better and better. I am sure if Naniwa and Thorzain stay in Korea for a long amount of time and can practice with a Korean proteam, they'll also improve leaps and bounds.
And that led to the only conclusion : korean trained tournaments and foreigner trained tournaments, because the gap will not close, in fact it'll become wider...
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On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Messi plays a Spanish style of football though, even Argentinians say that while Messi is an Argentine national he is a product of Spanish football.
Just like Huk is a Canandian but is a product of Korean Starcraft.
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On June 20 2011 20:49 Steamroller wrote:
So it's USA vs Korea finals =)
Trolling???
Last time I checked Canada was not a part of USA
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People will always criticize a player when that player is playing badly. Happens in ALL games not just SC2.
Look at Lebron etc etc.
That said, Huk is finally showing what he is capable of. I'll admit I did not think that he would advance further than MC or Nani but it's good that he is. I good ego boost now is what he needs; more confidence.
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On June 20 2011 20:47 Xpace wrote:
Ok, enough. Despite his oGs training, his GSL experience, his obvious MC-"inspired" builds, fine. He's a foreigner. Let's not start this ridiculous debate again. Foreigners should have their chance to cheer on their flavor of the month champion. I'm saying flavor of the month because prior to Dreamhack, if I said HuK was the best foreign Protoss, everyone would laugh and say NANIWHAT? I get it, I get it, you're excited because a foreigner beat a Korean. Just goes to show how big of a deal it is, and how truly behind the foreign scene is, that when one of us beats a Korean, we suddenly crown him the champion, the tip of the foreign spear. Makes sense, I get it.
Too bad Bomber will steamroll HuK. Calling it now.
To be fair, everyone does the same with Koreans. MVP won? Best in the world. Nestea won? Best in the world.
Even though it doesnt take long for them to fall right back down.
SC2 is pretty volatile.
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On June 20 2011 20:49 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:43 StimMarine wrote:On June 20 2011 20:39 michielbrands wrote:On June 20 2011 20:36 DailYLeet wrote:On June 20 2011 20:35 Zaurus wrote:
Foreigners stand a chance if they train like the koreans! Go Huk! yeah think of how good NANIWA and THORZAIN will be when the train in korea!!!!!!!!! The problem is not train "in" Korea, it's train "like" Koreans. It's all about the dedication and the amount of effort you'll put in your training. Not too sure if this is true. It can be more than just the time and effort that the Koreans put in that foreigners have to emulate. Keep in mind that HuK has enjoyed the technical discussions and deep gameplay insight from MC as well as other oGs team members. This alone would have improved his play by a lot. A good analogy would be a SC2 ladder player who does not come on TL at all but practices 8 hours a day. Compare him to someone who reads all the guides and tips on TL forums and also practices 8 hours a day. Who will end up the better player? My guess is the latter. Learning proper technique requires a lot more than just hardwork. I would say reading the strategy forum actually rots your brain.
Hahahahhahahaha, was gonna say the same thing.
If you practice 8 hours a day, the strat forums are total and utter garbage.
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