On June 14 2011 09:10 vasculaR wrote: i wonder if players who are mannered become more awesome....
You only need to look at White-Ra and Sheth to have your question answered.
no gg no skill
Shaking hands after the game is one of the most basic rules of sportsmanship. I personally think it's pitiful that some fans are defending unsportsmanlike behaviour on here, but whatever.
In every sport 'legends' receive large amounts of respect, it's natural, it's tradition, and it's great for each sport. Boxer is a true legend in SC, and as such, should get due respect. Idra fails threefold in this series.
First, he loses, in a terrible way. Second, he ragequits games he 'doesn't like to play out', not acknowledging he just made wrong decisions which cost him the game (waste like 20 zerglings on 2 full bunkers WTF??), and third, he quits without a GG in both games against the largest figure in the history of starcraft.
View it as you like, but Boxer being a legend is a fact, and Idra being a quitter and a terrible gamer is a second fact. He's good at the game, but his mind's all fucked up.
Not GGing is exactly like not shaking hands after a game. Or not showing up at the cup awarding ceremony after a defeat when ceremony requires you to. I remember once Boca Juniors lost a Copa Libertadores finals and left without receiving silver medals and didn't congratulate their opponents. The backlash was huge. Respecting legends is good for the sport people.
To make things clear, I wasn't even angry about this, it's Idra being Idra. That doesn't mean it's good. It's wrong, but more than enrage me, it makes me facepalm hard, what shameful behaviour, unacceptable for any sports. And he does it all the time. AND get praised by it. God people are so strange lol.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
No one here is saying he is the best SC2 player ever because he is clearly far from it. In fact, I think IdrA would win the majority of games if they happen to play a bunch of games with each other.
Boxer has a lot of fans because of his play in BW and his crucial role in making eSports what it is now. Even though he's well past his prime now for progaming, the guy is still doing what he loves to do training in the cramped teamhouse with a bunch of much younger guys and he's already contributed quite a bit to the SC2 scene by creating Slayers where many players have made extremely impressive improvements. He has also been a really well mannered, exemplary professional for a decade now and he deserves respect. Just realize that current skill does not always have to correlate with a gamer's popularity.
People have always made fun of IdrA for ragequitting, it's nothing new. You seem to have taken rather excessive offense at your hero getting some flak, which he does so often that he probably doesn't care about it himself.
IdrA lost G2 in a straight up game anyway and he all-ins himself occasionally as well, so all this "IdrA only gg's when it was actually a Good Game, you know, because G.G. stands for Good Game" is nonsense although this isn't directed at the poster I'm replying to.
On June 14 2011 09:54 mordk wrote: In every sport 'legends' receive large amounts of respect, it's natural, it's tradition, and it's great for each sport. Boxer is a true legend in SC, and as such, should get due respect. Idra fails threefold in this series.
First, he loses, in a terrible way. Second, he ragequits games he 'doesn't like to play out', not acknowledging he just made wrong decisions which cost him the game (waste like 20 zerglings on 2 full bunkers WTF??), and third, he quits without a GG in both games against the largest figure in the history of starcraft.
View it as you like, but Boxer being a legend is a fact, and Idra being a quitter and a terrible gamer is a second fact. He's good at the game, but his mind's all fucked up.
Not GGing is exactly like not shaking hands after a game. Or not showing up at the cup awarding ceremony after a defeat when ceremony requires you to. I remember once Boca Juniors lost a Copa Libertadores finals and left without receiving silver medals and didn't congratulate their opponents. The backlash was huge. Respecting legends is good for the sport people.
To make things clear, I wasn't even angry about this, it's Idra being Idra. That doesn't mean it's good. It's wrong, but + Show Spoiler +
more than enrage me, it makes me facepalm hard, what shameful behaviour, unacceptable for any sports. And he does it all the time. AND get praised by it.
God people are so strange lol.
well said sir. boxer has fans because people respect him as a player AND AS A PERSON!
i respect LeBron for his skills but not as a person, because of their attitude, personality, and so on.
and great player isn't about skill, its about them as an individual also. shit, i love park ji sung, he ain't great, his footwork sucks, pass isn't so good, his shooting isn't his forte either however, he is a great team player, he puts up 100%, gives back to the community and encourages younger players to achieve higher.
with that said i can never be a fan of idra, however, i respect him as a player. i imagine many people like him as a jester, i'm one of those people.
no gg quit is nothing new for idra, lets move on...but lets not praise him for it -,.-
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
That wasn't a manner hatch dude. Jaedong sent the drone because if Boxer held the wall, Jaedong would need proxy sunkens to break it down. As it happened, Boxer just didn't hold the wall and the game ended before the hatch could become useful.
I don't think Jaedong has BM'd a televised game in his life, except once against FBH, who had it coming. Jaedong is one of the most respectful progamers out there.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
That wasn't a manner hatch dude. Jaedong sent the drone because if Boxer held the wall, Jaedong would need proxy sunkens to break it down. As it happened, Boxer just didn't hold the wall and the game ended before the hatch could become useful.
I don't think Jaedong has BM'd a televised game in his life, except once against FBH, who had it coming. Jaedong is one of the most respectful progamers out there.
jaedong respect boxer than any progamer he even call boxer the greatest player of all time than flash in invterview
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
Won stuff in the beta, won IPL Season 1, got to round of 8 in a tournament where players like Rain and Inca got to the finals and TheBestFou got to Ro8 recently as well?
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
Lol. This really made me laugh. I really hope MC keeps crushing him in every tournament they both attend :-)
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
What's that say about every other foreigner than?
Sen, Dimaga, Naniwa ... you can make an argument that Thorzain is better, but the only results he have is the TSL and a good MLG showing. These guys are probably better, but that's still good company.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
What's that say about every other foreigner than?
Sen, Dimaga, Naniwa ... you can make an argument that Thorzain is better, but the only results he have is the TSL and a good MLG showing. These guys are probably better, but that's still good company.
What I find silly is, sure, Idra had gotten to Ro8 in GSL - but he's never actually beaten any strong players there, he played against people like Ensnare and Check who are 'okay' but hardly brilliant; and outside of Korea, people like Naniwa, White-ra, Select, Sen (just to name a few, there's plenty more) have matching or better amounts of high tournament finishes - but whenever there's any talk about "best" foreigners, it's hard to hear anything through the OMG IDRA screams. The obsession is pretty ridiculous, imo.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
What's that say about every other foreigner than?
Sen, Dimaga, Naniwa ... you can make an argument that Thorzain is better, but the only results he have is the TSL and a good MLG showing. These guys are probably better, but that's still good company.
What I find silly is, sure, Idra had gotten to Ro8 in GSL - but he's never actually beaten any strong players there, he played against people like Ensnare and Check who are 'okay' but hardly brilliant; and outside of Korea, people like Naniwa, White-ra, Select, Sen (just to name a few, there's plenty more) have matching or better amounts of high tournament finishes - but whenever there's any talk about "best" foreigners, it's hard to hear anything through the OMG IDRA screams. The obsession is pretty ridiculous, imo.
Sen doesn't really have any good tournament finishes and Idra has been consistently crushing Whitera and SelecT, so perhaps you should focus on the "plenty more" you chose not to name
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
What exactly is Idra's "success" in Starcraft, anyway?
For all the praise he gets as the "best" foreign player, he doesn't exactly have a lot of actual results to back that up...
hey hey now. He won a very early MLG and and IPL. He's had to beat a LOT of mediocre americans in order to get where he is at today..
What's that say about every other foreigner than?
Sen, Dimaga, Naniwa ... you can make an argument that Thorzain is better, but the only results he have is the TSL and a good MLG showing. These guys are probably better, but that's still good company.
What I find silly is, sure, Idra had gotten to Ro8 in GSL - but he's never actually beaten any strong players there, he played against people like Ensnare and Check who are 'okay' but hardly brilliant; and outside of Korea, people like Naniwa, White-ra, Select, Sen (just to name a few, there's plenty more) have matching or better amounts of high tournament finishes - but whenever there's any talk about "best" foreigners, it's hard to hear anything through the OMG IDRA screams. The obsession is pretty ridiculous, imo.
Can you name a few more for me please? The ones you listed don't fit your argument very well.
I also thought that Idra won alot since his fans seem to claim he is the most epic sc2 player ever. and then I find out that he bascially won a beta tourney and then he has won IPL that was pretty much NA only. All idras succeshas come in tourneys were there has been most NA players.
Sure GSL but that was early stage SC2 when things had not yet kicked in and Idra had a head start due to beta and his time in CJ house. Man even Jinro did better then Idra at that time and jinro has done nothing at all since.
As for the GG part, I can agree that its not that good to not do it but come on, this has grown way out of proportion. Its not that big of a deal.
Idra's only solution to not getting cheesed anymore is quitting SC2. He's not improving his overall game and the only people still defending him are the likes of ppshchik who apparently idolize him enough to diss even Boxer, whine about his every loss as being cheese and sing praises for someone who's shown nothing but crumbling under pressure.
Idra had his chances, he's had plenty of time to deal with his own psychological issues that hinder his great skill but he's shown he still tilts at the first sign of aggression.
I guess we can all dream of a day when Idra will learn something from Boxer and focus until all his buildings are burning, managing a comeback in one of these has to be the sweetest win.
EPT
