On June 14 2011 05:01 Alpina wrote: How are you guys even watching nasl? I didn't remember a single day when this "awesome" tournament wasn't lagging like hell.
It never ever lagged for me (though, once or twice it was down completely for a couple of minutes), other than that I got perfect streaming in 480p. I blame your ISP.
My ISP is perfect and no tournament apart nasl are lagging for me.
Do you experience this same problem with other justin.tv streams? There is a rare, flash-based issue that some users have with Justin that causes significant frame-rate problems.
Actually it may be. Justin is usually bad for me, and in nasl I usually get video lag but sound still goes well. So maybe you are right, this is justin problem.
Honestly I don't care about whether people GG or not. That is one of his 'thing'. What I hate is that - looking over the thread - the Emperor was dragged into this murky useless debate where some psycopathic sycophants now believe they have reason to attack the hell out of Boxer
So yeah, each side should leave the player's alone I think. At least debate seems to be over now. Thank goodness the moderation is strict here.
On June 14 2011 05:01 Alpina wrote: How are you guys even watching nasl? I didn't remember a single day when this "awesome" tournament wasn't lagging like hell.
It never ever lagged for me (though, once or twice it was down completely for a couple of minutes), other than that I got perfect streaming in 480p. I blame your ISP.
My ISP is perfect and no tournament apart nasl are lagging for me.
Do you experience this same problem with other justin.tv streams? There is a rare, flash-based issue that some users have with Justin that causes significant frame-rate problems.
Actually it may be. Justin is usually bad for me, and in nasl I usually get video lag but sound still goes well. So maybe you are right, this is justin problem.
That's a classic case--I had those exact symptoms for a couple of days last week before they suddenly vanished. I've read accounts of some people who have had this problem for months, and J.tv still hasn't pinpointed the issue.
On June 14 2011 05:10 ChickenLips wrote: wow idra's decision making really goes down the drain. There was nothing he could do in that situation but to attack into the choke, so insanely dumb.
And the worst thing is, that he's been doing it for months. Back in 2010 when he was streaming between his GSL performances it was the same story all the time: opponent has a strong army. IdrA waits a bit, and then throws himself at the opponent who just crushes him. He has so much to learn from other Zergs like LosirA, DRG and NesTea, namely how to counter-attack and abuse your opponent's weaknesses instead of trying to break him where he's strongest.
+1. He really has some huge leaks. July, losira would def. have curshed boxer in that game, because they just punishes the terran for strechting to thin out, and hence the terran can never really attack a good zerg.
I doubt any other zerg in the world would have fared much better. The passageway connecting vertical positions on Typhon peaks are similar to the ones that were removed from Shakuras for balance reasons, but much shorter and much harder to deal with. Terran can push through that passage and be in your base in seconds, with no fear of a flank by zerg. Idra was fighting a massively uphill battle the moment they spawned vertical positions.
On June 14 2011 05:10 ChickenLips wrote: wow idra's decision making really goes down the drain. There was nothing he could do in that situation but to attack into the choke, so insanely dumb.
And the worst thing is, that he's been doing it for months. Back in 2010 when he was streaming between his GSL performances it was the same story all the time: opponent has a strong army. IdrA waits a bit, and then throws himself at the opponent who just crushes him. He has so much to learn from other Zergs like LosirA, DRG and NesTea, namely how to counter-attack and abuse your opponent's weaknesses instead of trying to break him where he's strongest.
+1. He really has some huge leaks. July, losira would def. have curshed boxer in that game, because they just punishes the terran for strechting to thin out, and hence the terran can never really attack a good zerg.
I doubt any other zerg in the world would have fared much better. The passageway connecting vertical positions on Typhon peaks are similar to the ones that were removed from Shakuras for balance reasons, but much shorter and much harder to deal with. Terran can push through that passage and be in your base in seconds, with no fear of a flank by zerg. Idra was fighting a massively uphill battle the moment they spawned vertical positions.
PainUser did a very similar vertical push against Zenio on the same day, and Zenio handled it perfectly by overexpanding and sacrificing the natural.
Now, I'm not saying that PainUser is as good as Boxer (he isn't) or that Zenio is better than IdrA, but it's scenario that Zenio obviously had more experience with than IdrA. It's a case of one guy being a bit ahead in the metagame, which is unsurprising for a Korean pro.
IdrA handled it well, but not perfectly, and as Zenio demonstrated there are alternative strategies to deal with it.
I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
.You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
hahaah, but IdrA earned that respect? With what? :D
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Meaning : Everybody telling that Boxer is the GOD of all gods, an emperor, their sun, the best of the best, a superhero. Lol what a pity.
Boxer is no more than a human, Idra is not GG ing him because he is just Idra, a ragequitter nothing else.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
Lol. This would be a great troll post but I have a feeling you're being serious. You're the very definition of a fair weather fan. Jaedong and Idra aren't doing too hot right now either. Get ready to jump off the bandwagon in 6 months if they spiral out of control. Who cares about has beens right?
Here's a list of people you should be fans of for the next few months:
Rafael Nadal Aaron Rodgers Dirk Nowitzki Li Na Usain Bolt Manny Pacquiao
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
So only if you can beat them? I bet you could punch out Muhammed Ali right now. That give you the right to spit on him too?
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
Boxer has a top 4 finish in GSL and went 8-1 in the same NASL group IdrA went 6-3 in. By results Boxer seems to be doing better than IdrA in SC2 too. It sounds like you're saying that IdrA is obviously better than Boxer which isn't necessarily true.
And past success does equal respect in all sports.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
Boxer has a top 4 finish in GSL and went 8-1 in the same NASL group IdrA went 6-3 in. By results Boxer seems to be doing better than IdrA in SC2 too. It sounds like you're saying that IdrA is obviously better than Boxer which isn't necessarily true.
And past success does equal respect in all sports.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
are you saying people shouldnt respect boxer as the legend he is because now he's not at his prime O.o so for example people should have stopped respecting einstain because he started a revolution but than he didnt follow it ?
is thanks to boxer that idra was able to go to korea and live off professional SC to start with, plus now boxer is not a full time pro player and last but not least the second game he played better than idra and won thanks to it. regarding the first game 2 rax pressure is very common and if the "best foreign zerg" still lose to it i must mean boxer was executing it pretty damn well. not hating on idra but saying we shouldnt respect boxer is just really stupid
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't respect Boxer since he's a heck of a lot better than me and many TL posters, but for IdrA's skills and success, why should he especially that he got cheesed?
Don't want to turn this into a flame war, I'm done with this thread.
Simple answer cause He himself cheese more then you think.
On June 14 2011 07:42 ppshchik wrote: I think the Boxer love affair has to end. I mean look at how many fans IdrA has n MLG Columbus and I'm pretty sure SC2 fans know IdrA's name a lot more than Boxer's.
BW fanboys can arrange a BW match between IdrA and Boxer and IdrA would still win since Boxer's current BW skills aren't even B-teamer level. Boxer lost to White-Ra in IEF who lost to IdrA in the 3rd place match. You earn respects through your skills and performances, which is what Boxer did during his hay days in Broodwar but not in his present time in SC2.
IdrA ragequitting is nothing new, stop going paranoid, jeez.
what's the meaning of this post?
Saying that Boxer fans shouldn't be mad at IdrA disrespecting Boxer since Boxer cheesed him out.
Jaedong BM'ed planted a hatchery at Boxer's base yet nobody complained because Jaedong has skills to back it up.
Past success doesn't equal respect, just like Moon and Grubby.
You can't not have respect for someone because their preformance diminishes late into their career...it's just not feasible to maintain a high level of preformance in progaming when you're 30. What Boxer did for e-sports was remarkable. What Boxer did in his prime was remarkable. What Boxer has done with Slayers is remarkable. The fact that Boxer can still show us so many good games, make runs in the GSL, take out players like Sen in the TSL, and go 8-1 in the NASL (which is better than Idra, btw) while being 30 years old is incredible. I don't see how you could ahve anything but respect for what Boxer has done and continues to do given his age.
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