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Carmine
United States263 Posts
Thorzain proved that he is no fluke, and I hope to see a lot more of him in the future. IdrA should I think distinguish the difference between practice and serious games. Even if you feel like you lost you should try some crazy stuff to come back. I understand that he wouldn't do that when practicing but in tournaments it seems worth the effort. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:34 DannyJ wrote: That was the MMA we saw in GSTLs. Why isn't this man deep in code S!?! HuK sent him packing with good builds. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:34 DannyJ wrote: That was the MMA we saw in GSTLs. Why isn't this man deep in code S!?! Because Huk beat him in the UP/DOWN match..... First MarineKing, then Huk... and MMA back to Code A  | ||
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tuho133
120 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:25 sleigh bells wrote: i think the seeding rules should be neutral regardless of nationality lol come on Yea lol, I live in America and I'm telling you dude this country has no nationality. So who care about it anyway, better Korean make foreigner work harder to pay off. They can't have an easy wins just b/c of their nationality. | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:32 kheldorin wrote: The host nation doesn't have to go through the World Cup qualifiers and are seeded accordingly in their group. If they weren't the host nation, they probably would not even qualify for the World Cup. There's so many instances where the football scene and talent just exploded because the country did well in the World Cup. Same can be said about the Olympic Games, but guess what? That funding comes from the country's own pocket(s). It really isn't the same thing. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:20 duk3 wrote: Won't the points that MMA gets for winning put him into the top 16? yeah but MLG wont cover for his flight+hotel in Anaheim, so Slayers need to prepare the $$$ MLG will pay for the next 4 different Korean only (if they stick with their original announcement) | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:34 Carmine wrote: I am glad the Koreans participated because I think it is what is best for e-sports. Even though they came out on top of the foreigners I think that the skill gap is not that large. There were good games and it looks everyone was playing earnestly. I think in future tournaments the foreigners will do better. Thorzain proved that he is no fluke, and I hope to see a lot more of him in the future. IdrA should I think distinguish the difference between practice and serious games. Even if you feel like you lost you should try some crazy stuff to come back. I understand that he wouldn't do that when practicing but in tournaments it seems worth the effort. In his games vs MC he did a lot of crazy things in an attempt to get 2 wins, it's just painful to watch those games. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:39 sandyph wrote: yeah but MLG wont cover for his flight+hotel in Anaheim, so Slayers need to prepare the $$$ MLG will pay for the next 4 different Korean only (if they stick with their original announcement) I don't think that would be too hard as long as he has no other obligations. In other words, it's highly improbable that he shows up. However, if that isn't the case... I'm sure their sponsors would be more than willing to send him down to Anaheim. | ||
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LeopoldStotch
United States158 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:20 TooN wrote: Why do you guys not want foreigners to step up rather.. most of you guys just want to not have koreans play. Its sad. Its funny people want to see their favorite players playing a lower skilled tournament just so they can win. Being a true fan means you support them through wins and losses. This is true for any sport. If you can't handle that, then find a new hobby because there is only 1 true winner in any type of competition. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:30 Yggydraseal wrote: Idra/MMA VOD is up. I DEMAND TO KNOW WHERE!!!?? Please | ||
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Nyor
Germany35 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/sportstrotterkenyamarathon.jpg) Just like in StarCraft 2, the best Marathon runners come from one geographical region. In this case, this would be Eastern Africa, Kenya and Ethiopia in particular. Why is this the case? Kenyans and Ethiopians train extremely hard. Marathon running is one way for them to get out of poverty. If they are part of the international elite, they can live from the price money they get at the Marathon races, and support their families as well. Consequently, the elite runners from Kenya and Ethiopia are extremely motivated, and thus work very hard to achieve success. The environment they live also helps them to improve and do better. Now, let's look at the Europe, or Northern America... Is Marathon running a viable career choice there? No.... The price money one may earn at races in most cases not enough to cover living expenses. The few elite Western Marathon runners highly depend on sponsorship deals in order to keep training; since becoming an elite Marathon runner requires a lot of effort. For all other marathon runners, it's a hobby, not a professions. While Marathon running and StarCraft 2 are completely different, one may notice a few similarities here and there. The dominating nation in the case of StarCraft 2 is Korea, becoming a pro-gamer is socially accepted in Korea; being a pro-gamer might also be financially rewarding from their point of view. In the "West" however, e-sports isn't really a viable career choice, it is not socially accepted, and financial-wise very risky. It's a hobby, but nothing more. Let's face it, e-sports, will probably never (never say never) achieve the same level of influence that e-sports such have in Korea. Can/Should you blame the Ethiopians/Kenyans for doing well at Marathons? Absolutely not. Likewise, can/should you blame the the Koreans for playing well in SC2? Absolutely not, either. As long as you see tournaments with reasonably high price moneys, pro-gamers in Korea will continue to exist, and coonsequently do well in tournaments in the West. Some people say "OMG, but Koreans winning all the time will hurt e-sports growth in the West". I don't think so. First of all, Koreans pro-gamers aren't unbeatable. Secondly, people who get discouraged by these results aren't really into e-sports anyways. Thirdly, Koreans pro's draw in bigger audiences to the tournaments. The success of the Koreans should be a motivation to play better/train harder, not a discouragement. Bigger Audiences -> More Sponsorship Money -> Higher Price Moneys -> More Competition. I think I can safely say that one reason that the MLG drew in such a big audience (both at Columbus and on the internet streams) is because of MC, Moon, MMA, July or Losira. People were excited to see those matches, and were curious to see whether "foreigners" could beat them. Again, bigger audiences were a result of their presence. Fourthly... eSports is not only about the select few winning the big tournaments; it's also about the majority, the "normal skilled" players. This big chunk of players will not simply go awayjust because a few Koreans did well at a big tournament. Have people in the West completely stopped running marathons just because a few Kenians won some big marathons? | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:39 sandyph wrote: yeah but MLG wont cover for his flight+hotel in Anaheim, so Slayers need to prepare the $$$ MLG will pay for the next 4 different Korean only (if they stick with their original announcement) I think they should support the reigning MLG champ. Kind of silly to have the reigning MLG champion not present at their next event. | ||
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bigbeau
368 Posts
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
The grand final had only 2 games. Fail. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:34 DannyJ wrote: That was the MMA we saw in GSTLs. Why isn't this man deep in code S!?! he had to played Huk multi drop have no chances against top 3 control in the world | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:44 bigbeau wrote: Am I the only one who finds nationalism retarded and borderline racist? how can nationalism be racist when nations are made up of every race? | ||
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cold-
Canada209 Posts
the only two players able to challenge the top koreans were idra and thorzain and naniwa. but the rest of the players are so below them in skill and practice its ridiculous. if u remove mma losira and mc , idra would have won mlg. nobody would have been surprised. but instead usa has to get surprise buttsex from the koreans and their superior development into the game. im an avid idra fan and i watched him the past month crush the na server. in my opinion hed better go back to korea or he wont be able to keep up with their development and he wont be able to take even an MLG with the top koreans flying over like this . | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:44 bigbeau wrote: Am I the only one who finds nationalism retarded and borderline racist? nope there was a lot of other people that feel the same way. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
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