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Okay we're going to start cracking down on people bashing players for no reason. You don't have to like every player, but at least show some respect. (as of page 402)
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
June 05 2011 04:40 GMT
#17821
Would anyone be so kind as to quickly summarize the MMA vs July, and Idra vs Thorzain games?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 05 2011 04:40 GMT
#17822
On June 05 2011 13:25 InvalidID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 13:21 rysecake wrote:
On June 05 2011 13:19 mholden02 wrote:
Let's wait till the end of the tournament to start bashing one nation or another.


Saying NA starcraft scene is far behind Europe and Korea is not "Nation Bashing". Please.


KR>EU>NA. If you can't accept that then you're...well I don't wanna say it.


Sure, the EU is a stronger scene overall right now, compared to NA, but its silly to say they are way ahead, especially on the highest levels. The NA players are very competitive with them, as this tournament has shown.


On the highest levels it's really close. As a whole, my hierarchy stands. Koreans are like..16-3 (series)? With 2 of those losses coming from Moon who is the lowest level korean in mlg. Only NA player doing particularly well right now is Idra. Koreans are dominating this tournament (surprise surprise) and overall eu is doing better than NA.
The Notorious Winkles
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 05 2011 04:41 GMT
#17823
On June 05 2011 13:34 Arceus wrote:
looks like theres no 12345 korean finish as Mc, July & Moon stack in the same side of the bracket :p


Not even possible anyway: Idra and Naniwa are both guaranteed Top 6 finishes. So at least one of them will finish Top 5
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
June 05 2011 04:41 GMT
#17824
On June 05 2011 12:53 Emporio wrote:
This thread will easily hit 1000 by tomorrow morning though

different day different thread
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mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
June 05 2011 04:41 GMT
#17825
Extended Series is indeed the stupidest tournament rule I've ever seen. When the logic behind it is explained to me, I still think its the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 05 2011 04:42 GMT
#17826
On June 05 2011 13:38 DeltruS wrote:
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On June 05 2011 13:23 FairForever wrote:
Is it just me or is Extended Series the dumbest rule invented? Seriously, the winner already got an advantage by advancing in the tournament (or finishing higher in pool play), why does he need a double reward?


If MC has the balls to say IdrA's wins were a mistake, then he should be forced to definitively prove it. There have been many arguments about it, and most have them have gone so back and forth that eventually it just comes down to two different styles, just like different cultures and religions. There is no way to prove that one is better than another.


Not sure how this is relevant. It's such a stupid rule, especially as a few players lost to others, went through the Loser's bracket, and ran into the same player again with a 2-1 or 2-0 hole to climb.
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
June 05 2011 04:42 GMT
#17827
Does anyone know if there are VoDs available? I really want to watch today's game but I have things to do =(

Thanks for the help!
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
June 05 2011 04:43 GMT
#17828
What time do games start tomorrow?
Ratchets, designer jackets
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 05 2011 04:43 GMT
#17829
On June 05 2011 13:43 Murkinlol wrote:
What time do games start tomorrow?


10am eastern.
adeptz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia220 Posts
June 05 2011 04:44 GMT
#17830
Only see 5 vods for day 2 on both red and blue streams...or am i looking at the wrong place?
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
June 05 2011 04:44 GMT
#17831
On June 05 2011 13:41 mholden02 wrote:
Extended Series is indeed the stupidest tournament rule I've ever seen. When the logic behind it is explained to me, I still think its the stupidest thing I've ever seen.


I dont like it either

it needs to go
Yggydraseal
Profile Joined April 2011
United States285 Posts
June 05 2011 04:44 GMT
#17832
Use the search feature for VODs. Easy.
"The greatest athletes of all time... Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, and SlayerSBoxer." - Artosis
mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
June 05 2011 04:44 GMT
#17833
Would anyone be so kind as to quickly summarize the MMA vs July, and Idra vs Thorzain games?


Yeah. MMA vs July was one of the best exhibitions of TvZ I've ever seen, MMA is a freak in that matchup.

Idra vs Thorzain: Thorzain came back from a huge early deficit in game 1, showed amazing control with his army. Game 2 Thorzain did a bunch of early game drops, destroyed Idra. The two best Terran performances of the MLG. Worth watching the VODS.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 04:49:23
June 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#17834
anyone knows where are the VODs?

Edit: found them, they are right in the player, when you click on the list icon
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
June 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#17835
On June 05 2011 13:44 adeptz wrote:
Only see 5 vods for day 2 on both red and blue streams...or am i looking at the wrong place?


How do you get to the vods?
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TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
June 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#17836
Both were really good ZvT's , really enjoyable and displaying the match up pretty well. Just go watch the vods dude =]
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Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 04:46:50
June 05 2011 04:46 GMT
#17837
Championship Pool matchup stats courtesy of @MLGStephen P(34.62%)vZ(65.38%) - P(60%)vT(40%) - T(66%)vZ(34%)
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
June 05 2011 04:47 GMT
#17838
On June 05 2011 13:41 mholden02 wrote:
Extended Series is indeed the stupidest tournament rule I've ever seen. When the logic behind it is explained to me, I still think its the stupidest thing I've ever seen.


It's not that bad...

Say Player A sends Player B into loser's bracket with a 2-0 victory, and the two end up meeting later in a Bo7 finals without extended series (I assume you would be for the follow up Bo7 series should the winner's bracket player lose)

If Player B goes 4-3 in both series, the total win-loss for both players against each other is a tie of 8-8. And in this instance, Player B wins the tournament, awarded for being sent to the loser's bracket, and not by winning more games than losing against Player A.

While I'm not particularly fond of extended series either, it still makes sense.
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adeptz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia220 Posts
June 05 2011 04:47 GMT
#17839
On June 05 2011 13:45 Murkinlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 13:44 adeptz wrote:
Only see 5 vods for day 2 on both red and blue streams...or am i looking at the wrong place?


How do you get to the vods?


Open red or blue stream, next to the "Quality" button there is a bulletpoint list icon. Click on it, goto Starcraft->Day 1 or 2.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 05:03:03
June 05 2011 04:50 GMT
#17840
Performances (by team, so far):
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Dignitas 3 representatives in group play
Naniwa - Finished 1st in Pool A. Worst possible finish is top 6.
Sjow - Finished 4th in Pool B. Worst possible finish is 17-20th
SeleCT - Finished 6th in Pool C. Beat qxc in CLB2 and is still in the competition. Worst possible finish is 21-24th

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Naniwa is being a boss as per usual. Sjow performed admirably in a tough group, and SeleCT will be disappointed with his group play, but you'd be a fool to count him out of making a LB run still.


Liquid - all Liquid representatives are in pool play from previous strong MLG performances
Haypro - went 3-2 in Pool D and came 2nd. Still in the competition. (Worst possible finish - 9-12th)
TLO - went 1-4 in Pool D and came last, lost to Vibe in Championship Bracket LB2 (Finished 25-28th)
Ret - went 3-2 in Pool C and came 3rd. Still in the competition. (Worst possible finish - 13-16th)
Tyler - went 1-4 in Pool C and came 5th. Still in the competition. (Worst possible finish - 21-24th)

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Liquid's performance in this tournament will largely come down to results that occur tomorrow, but it is fair to say that between TLO's injury, and their unfortunate team kill situation in the LB, they won't be performing as well as they would've hoped.


FnaticMSI - 4 players starting in open bracket
TT1 - knocked out of WB by Mystik in R2, and LB in R7 by rsvp (Finished >50?)
Fenix - undefeated in WB, went 3-2 in Pool A finishing 4th. Worst possible finish 17-20th.
lefnaij - knocked out of WBR2 and LBR7 by wbc. Finished >50th?
Kawaiirice - knocked out of WB by Thorzain in R6, and is still in competition. Worst possible finish 21-24th

Mouz - 2 players in the open bracket
Morrow - knocked out of WB by Fenix in R6, then knocked out of CLB1 by Vibe (Finished 29-32nd)
Thorzain - made pool play via not losing, went 3-2 and finished 4th in Pool C. Still in the competition. (Worst possible finish - 17-20th)

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Impressive performance considering the strength of the open bracket. Morrow will be a little disappointed, but Thorzain has performed admirably so far and should have a chance to make top 12 (but then might face MC again... T.T)


Evil Geniuses 3 players in pool play, 3 players in open bracket
IdrA - went 4-1 in Pool C and came 1st. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 5/6th)
Incontrol - went 2-3 in Pool D and came 5th. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 21-24th)
Machine - went 2-3 in Pool D and came 3rd. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 13-16th)
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Axslav - knocked out of WB in R6 by Major, and CLB R1 by qxc (Finished 29-32nd)
Demuslim - knocked out of WB in R2 by Strifecro, and LB R4 by x6Mystik (Finish > 50-100?)
Strifecro - knocked out of WB in R4 by Fenix, and LB by ONEwbc in R7 (Finish - 40-50?)
LZGamer - knocked out of WB in R2 by ONENamchir, and LB by Storrzerg? in R4 (Finish >50-100)

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The open bracket players + Incontrol are probably not too happy with their positions at present, but IdrA as per usual is carrying this team, and Machine looks to be placing pretty well, all things considered.


ROOT - 3 players in group play, 3 players in the open bracket
Kiwikaki - went 1-4 in Pool B and finished 5th. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 21-24th)
Drewbie - went 2-3 in Pool A and finished 5th. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 21-24th)
Slush - went 3-2 in Pool A and finished 2nd. Still in the competition (Worst possible finish - 9-12th)
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Catz - knocked out of WB in R5 by July (default), and then R8 LB by qxc. (Finish - 35-40ish?)
Destiny - knocked out of WB in R1 by Darkcell, and then R6 LB by Slurgi. (Finish - 50-70?)
Fayth - knocked out WB in R2 by Kawaiirice and then R7 LB by Pokebunny (Finish >60?)

FXO - 2 players in pool play, 4 players in open bracket
Sheth - went 3-2 in Pool B and finished 3rd. Still in competition (Worst possible finish - 13-16th)
Moonan - went 0-5 in Pool B and finished 6th. Lost to Kawaiirice in R2 CLB. (Finished 25-28th)
---
qxc - knocked out of WB in R4 by Thorzain, made it to CLB2 and lost to Select (Finished 25-28th)
Optikzero - knocked out of WB in R4 by July. Lost to Namchir in R9 LB. (Finished 33-36th?)
SLoG - knocked out of WB in R5 by Morrow. Lost to Spades in R8 LB. (Finished 37-44th?)
tgun - knocked out of WB in R3 by Cruncher. Lost to Firezerg in R4 LB. (Finish 50-100?)
Boss - knocked out of WB in R1, and LB in R2 by vileState (Finish >100)

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Decent performance, although I can imagine that Moonan is disappointed. Good performance from the open bracket, considering the strength of the field. Sheth has a good chance to go top 8.


Sixjax - all players started in open bracket
Vibe - knocked out of WB by Fenix in R5, still in the competition. (Worst possible finish - 21-24th)
Major - undefeated in open bracket, finished 4th in Pool D with 2-3 record. Still in competition. (Worst possible finish - 17-20th)
Mihai - knocked out of WB by tgun in R2, and rsvp in R2 LB. (Finished >100)
dde - knocked out of WB by Morrow in R3, and State in R5 of LB. (Finished >70?)
CocoA - knocked out of WB by SloG in R3, and Spades in R6 of LB (Finished 50-70th?)
Skew - knocked out of WB by Kawaiirice in R4, and Fayth in R6 of LB (Finished 50-70th)

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Excellent performance by Vibe and Major so far, exceeding general public expectations and have a chance to go even further. Mihai, dde, Skew and CocoA will be disappointed but there is no shame losing to to the players they lost to.


Please let me know if any corrections are to be made :D

I think this also shows that the new up and coming teams can really play alongside the bigger hyped foreigner teams, although the open bracket versus the pool play is stifling this being demonstrated to some extent (e.g. SeleCT is 1-5 so far in the tournament and is guaranteed 24th place minimum)
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