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Syben
United States512 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:04 Beyonder wrote: Not true. Also, now people get a good look at what happens to your forums the moment you dont moderate.. T_T Alive? | ||
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Nosforit
Canada260 Posts
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zeru
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
 I'm kidding ofc, but it wouldn't surprise me  | ||
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namedplayer
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
 watching nada win vs zerg makes me happy but as a terran i feel like i will never be able to play like that - every game vs zerg goes into some 30+ minute game where i lose ;D | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
I really hope Jinro will come back. | ||
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gustavohmp
Brazil139 Posts
Team Liquid members always making me lose on liquibets, ffffffffffffffff At least HuK is not choking anymore. Show them what you got man. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On May 31 2011 01:06 udgnim wrote: don't know if Jinro is leaving KR or not but the GOM post is definitely not the real Tasteless Of course not. Tasteless says he doesn't even read forums anymore. Also, jinro >___<. Hoping you can pull out of this slump, you made a deep run in GSL twice and you won an MLG so I'm not doubting your ability. edit: Wow those posts on the gom forum are harsh, pretty idiotic. You'd think we'd be more supporting of a foreign player willing to move to Korea dedicate so much to compete with the best | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:38 gh0un wrote: Let me just dismantle that argument right here right now: If zerg could build ultralisks for 50 minerals, would they be cost efficient versus marines? See what i did there? Think before you post some bullshit. They are different races, but they have to face each other, therefore you have to compare unit composition versus unit composition or unit vs unit in order to determine what the best solution is to a particular problem. think you're clever don't you? when i post stuff i expect people to judge it with common sense and not nitpick. is an ultralisk for 50 minerals cost efficient vs marines. yes does a 50 gas trade between zerg and terran mean the same thing? no because of the different rates of income they usually have. obvously you can compare, but 1:1 trade doesnt mean it's the same for both parties how about you actually think before.. well how about you just think in general smartass | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On May 30 2011 21:13 gh0un wrote: Even if they did connect, its still the same value of resources lost. Actually zerg loses gas while terran doesnt. Banes really arent the counter to marines, doesnt matter how many upgrades. Unless they are burrowed and manage to take out marines cost efficiently. The idea of a suicidal unit as a cost efficient counter is only valid if the unit is cheaper than the one it is supposed to counter, or if the splash is big enough to take out atleast an equal amount of units. For banes only the second part is valid, and even then it doesnt really work out because they are melee units that run slower than the units they want to counter (which are ranged units on top of that), making it possible to lose all banes before any single one actually hits anything. With scourge the concept of a suicidal unit worked much better, because they were cheaper and faster than the units they were supposed to counter, therefore following the above rule (both parts are true for scourge). Speedling mixed in with a few banes (+Infestors), or rather roach with banes (+Infestors), is actually a much better composition against marines. I really dont like how zerg needs to spend so much gas to counter a t1 unit that doesnt cost any gas and is as spammable as zerglings, when all terran needs to do to counter zergs t1 unit, is to get some marines. Melee units being slower than ranged units IS a fundamental game design flaw, unless the melee units have signifcantly more health. The second part isnt true for zerglings, therefore the first part must be true, and indeed the first part is true for zerglings. Its completely not true for banelings however, they have less health, less speed, and no range. Thats the reason why we see terrans massing marines after marines, even though their opponent already has banes out: they dont give a shit. There's so many other factors involved that make a 1:1 comparison useless. banelings aren't cost effective against marines? Well maybe the game would be broken if they were, considering it might be much easier for Zerg to secure a 3rd and establish a stronger economy than a Terran. Are ultras cost effective vs marines / marauder? Not really. What about ultras supported by infestors? God yes. Do banelings cost effectively counter marines? Maybe not, but dead marines, and even the time marines spend running away and not shooting, is time 25 mineral zerglings are using to chew through extremely expensive tanks and thors. And then you get into concepts of map control and air control. Roaches are terrible for map control, and roach / ling / infestor can have a much harder time dealing with drop centric play than can muta / ling / baneling for example. Don't look into the examples I give too specifically. My point is just that starcraft is a complex game . Trying to simplify it to "XvY is broken because unit A can't cost effectively counter unit B" is dumb. Also, can we get away from the T1 T2 T3 bullshit? ~_~ It's not how starcraft works. Again, its a complex game, and one that's designed in a way that can't be broken down into 3 basic tiers with the idea that T3 > T2 > T1. Marines are more than T1 units, they function as the backbone of a Terran army, protection for expensive gas units, and the main source of DPS throughout the entire game. Hence saying "its stupid Zerg needs to spend tier X to counter a t1 unit" is itself stupid. | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:50 gustavohmp wrote: Team Liquid members always making me lose on liquibets, ffffffffffffffff. Omg this. My overall bet % is close to 66%. My bet % with games involving TL members is probably 25%. The only one I can seem to consistently predict the results of is Haypro... But I just usually autovote against him | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
Think before you post some bullshit. They are different races, but they have to face each other, therefore you have to compare unit composition versus unit composition or unit vs unit in order to determine what the best solution is to a particular problem. He did. Exactly. And no. | ||
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everytimee
United States122 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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Gracksaurusrex
United Kingdom171 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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