Join us Saturday and Sunday for the FINALS of the Tactic3D Tournament. North America's best SC2 players play for $5,000 in cash. In the first round 32 Amateur Finalists take on the 32 invited professional players.
- Bracket Play Format - Best of 3 Map Format - Single Elimination - 1 Bracket - 32 Players
Round 1: (64 Players) Best of 3: Saturday, May 28th @ 12:00pm CST Round 2: (32 Players) Best of 3: Saturday, May 28th @ 3:00pm CST Round 3: (16 Players) Best of 3: Saturday, May 28th @ 6:00pm CST Round 4: (8 Players) Best of 5: Saturday, May 28th @ 9:00pm CST
Tournament Semi Finals: (4 Players) Best of 7: Sunday, May 29th @ 5:00pm CST Tournament Finals: (2 Players) Best of 7: Sunday, May 29th @ 9:00pm CST
Be sure to check out the $1,000 prize pack contest and stay tuned to the stream for live viewer giveaways all weekend!
Getting started in just 40 minutes! I'm sooooo thrilled to be able to cast with JP all day today, and I hope see some really incredible games. =D
Also really curious to see how our qualifiers fare. Ryan, OpTiKzErO, and qxc of course have a good chance to advance, but players like Chance and LuckyFool can do some damage as well. =D
Qxc hopefully getting back in shape with school done, he's been in a rough spot for most of 2011 - that being said, nice that he's still staying in game 2 right now.
AskJoshy is super biased, he doesn't even noticewhen DDE drops and takes out an evo chamber a couple seconds away from +2 armor. He's also constantly looking and talking about the zerg.
I think the key to beating this late game army is landing some crucial EMPs. At one point DDE managed to do that and delayed the attack by quite a while. On the other hand, when the attack did occur, the infestor number was ridiculous. Same for the broodlords. WP, Destiny!
On May 29 2011 05:45 Gator wrote: anyone else notice that dde doesnt hotkey any of his buildings?
Yeah... wow T_T;
dde you're doing it wrong~! T.t
Don't freak out guys , he is probably using custom hotkeys
He does not use hotkeys for buildings. He just goes to his base and clicks brood war style. I heard this during an NASL cast, I can't remember exactly when... I think it was during the game vs Nada on Metalopolis but I could be totally wrong.
On May 29 2011 05:45 Gator wrote: anyone else notice that dde doesnt hotkey any of his buildings?
Yeah... wow T_T;
dde you're doing it wrong~! T.t
Don't freak out guys , he is probably using custom hotkeys
He does not use hotkeys for buildings. He just goes to his base and clicks brood war style. I heard this during an NASL cast, I can't remember exactly when... I think it was during the game vs Nada on Metalopolis but I could be totally wrong.
On May 29 2011 06:08 FarbrorAbavna wrote: damn, that push looked so hard to break but destiny pulled it off in style.
roaches+speedling always crush those no stim/combatshield/bunker/medivac tank marine pushes :/ not sure what dde was hoping to accomplish, its not like the banshees did enough dmg to give him a window of timing.
Is it me or does this build by Destiny and response by DDE make both players look sort of bad? It is like Destiny doing a goofy 2 base build vs DDE just mass dropping 5 marines at a time for 25 minutes.
On May 29 2011 06:22 DoubleB wrote: Sheth is out vs "RevShaDow" 2-0... who the hell is he? :D
A very good player, trust me.
On May 29 2011 06:23 Throat wrote: Is it me or does this build by Destiny and response by DDE make both players look sort of bad? It is like Destiny doing a goofy 2 base build vs DDE just mass dropping 5 marines at a time for 25 minutes.
Zerg 2base builds are good if you want to get aggressive but ling-infestor isn't a powerful unit composition, so I have no idea what Destiny's game plan was. Dde's drops could have been good if he was multitasking his army.
Meh, you really shouldn't play a style that's really vulnerable to EMP if your map awareness isn't good enough. Saw Naniwa in a similar situation on his stream, and he not only had an observer over that small highground, but also had his whole army spread out, and was moving around Templar and sniping Ghosts with Feedback left and right.
On May 29 2011 06:42 Jnai wrote: Any update on what happened with Tyler? His match says FFW.
Which means he forfeited. Probably due to playing IPL qualifier at the same time (my guess).
We are working with all the gamers to allow them to play in both IPL and Tactic3D. Tyler just disappeared. We're not sure why
I said in the channel that I missed my match because of participation in another tournament and I apologized and left. No disappearance, no lack of explanation.
On May 29 2011 06:42 Jnai wrote: Any update on what happened with Tyler? His match says FFW.
Which means he forfeited. Probably due to playing IPL qualifier at the same time (my guess).
We are working with all the gamers to allow them to play in both IPL and Tactic3D. Tyler just disappeared. We're not sure why
I said in the channel that I missed my match because of participation in another tournament and I apologized and left. No disappearance, no lack of explanation.
We were trying to find you to let you know you could still play the match but had no luck. Thanks for participating though, and sorry you had the scheduling conflict.
On May 29 2011 08:24 Mailing wrote: Cruncher just gave up the watchtower where he could of blinked under the blords :X
Doesn't matter, CatZ dead
Catz died when he botched that Overlord drop. He should have dropped some of the side expansions and gotten Broodlords out. You can't crack a Protoss like that.
On May 29 2011 08:24 Mailing wrote: Cruncher just gave up the watchtower where he could of blinked under the blords :X
Doesn't matter, CatZ dead
Catz died when he botched that Overlord drop. He should have dropped some of the side expansions and gotten Broodlords out. You can't crack a Protoss like that.
He probably would have cracked it if he had microed the engagement better actually.
On May 29 2011 08:24 Mailing wrote: Cruncher just gave up the watchtower where he could of blinked under the blords :X
Doesn't matter, CatZ dead
Catz died when he botched that Overlord drop. He should have dropped some of the side expansions and gotten Broodlords out. You can't crack a Protoss like that.
He probably would have cracked it if he had microed the engagement better actually.
Sad to see him go down like that
He had infestors, a few fungal to hold the ball in place would have made the banelings drop so much better. Just a bad attack
it probably won't happen, but oh man do i wanna see Idra get taken out by bubbles just coz he's such a smug git. And tbh most of teh tourneys i've seen him in recently he's lost anyway, would be nice to see another cruncher v idra match
Cruncher's side of the bracket looks easy enough for him to be able to go all the way to the finals. On the other end Idra or Select will have to go down in the round of 8. I think Idra vs Select will be the real finals.
On May 29 2011 08:24 Mailing wrote: Cruncher just gave up the watchtower where he could of blinked under the blords :X
Doesn't matter, CatZ dead
Catz died when he botched that Overlord drop. He should have dropped some of the side expansions and gotten Broodlords out. You can't crack a Protoss like that.
He probably would have cracked it if he had microed the engagement better actually.
Sad to see him go down like that
He had infestors, a few fungal to hold the ball in place would have made the banelings drop so much better. Just a bad attack
On May 29 2011 08:54 Schellenlord wrote: Too bad they didn't show the group of lings that went into bubbles' base and killed some workers when he went out.
Wow i didn't even notice that, no wonder the reinforcements seemed so weak.
On May 29 2011 08:54 Schellenlord wrote: Too bad they didn't show the group of lings that went into bubbles' base and killed some workers when he went out.
Wow i didn't even notice that, no wonder the reinforcements seemed so weak.
I dont see why protoss dont just wall of if theyre going all in like that. one pylon can save all your probes.
On May 29 2011 08:54 Schellenlord wrote: Too bad they didn't show the group of lings that went into bubbles' base and killed some workers when he went out.
Wow i didn't even notice that, no wonder the reinforcements seemed so weak.
It was the group of lings that fought a little bit at the Xel Naga Tower, it basically went straight into his base after this, too bad they missed it.
On May 29 2011 08:55 getty wrote: it was kind of aggravating how the observer just now totally missed the ling counter into bubbles base that killed like all of his probes
I don't think anyone cared about that game, including the casters, kinda sad, more focused on discussing the brackets while a 1 base all-in is going on.
I wish they wouldn't cast games just because it has IdrA, both of these games weren't really very entertaining, Bubble was just outclassed.
On May 29 2011 09:07 Proko wrote: Winner of IdrA/Select vs. winner of Cruncher/DDE in the finals.
I predict IdrA vs. DDE
I predict the winner of Idra/select is the winner of the entire tournament. Idra has faced DDE many times on the ladder and has beaten him almost every time; likewise with cruncher, I don't see either of them being a threat to idra/select.
On May 29 2011 09:14 Odien wrote: I'm not sure what Optikzero was thinking... he played very poorly in this series against dde after coming all that way.. tsktsktsk
It looked like he wanted to take a page out of SlayerSFrozen's book, but DDE wasn't going for a super fast expo, and then it wasn't the ladder version of the map, lol.
On May 29 2011 12:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'm curious how many non-shots the drones got off because they weren't probes or scv's.
AFAIK drones are the same than SCV's, melee units. Probes are categorized as ranged with short range so they would have killed the marines probably.
Nevertheless it is a bug that needs to be fixed ASAP. So frustrating to try and hold off bunker rushes with drones when they aren't hitting the zerglings.
On May 29 2011 12:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'm curious how many non-shots the drones got off because they weren't probes or scv's.
AFAIK drones are the same than SCV's, melee units. Probes are categorized as ranged with short range so they would have killed the marines probably.
Actually, there was a thread posted recently that showed that because the drones do the damage at the end of their attack animation they miss moving targets. SCVs and probes do the damage at the beginning of their animation. DTs have the same problem.
On May 29 2011 12:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'm curious how many non-shots the drones got off because they weren't probes or scv's.
AFAIK drones are the same than SCV's, melee units. Probes are categorized as ranged with short range so they would have killed the marines probably.
Actually, there was a thread posted recently that showed that because the drones do the damage at the end of their attack animation they miss moving targets. SCVs and probes do the damage at the beginning of their animation. DTs have the same problem.
Ah I see. I actually had noticed that difference between drones and probes and I asked about it and somebody told me it was cause probes were ranged, and I believed it cause of the way their attack animation works.
you'd think select would have learned to stop trying to drop him in g1 and g2 he's not playing a protoss. zerg has mutas. would you try to drop a protoss with 10 phoenixes flying around?
On May 29 2011 12:21 travis wrote: you'd think select would have learned to stop trying to drop him in g1 and g2 he's not playing a protoss. zerg has mutas. would you try to drop a protoss with 10 phoenixes flying around?
QXC said it well actually. You can drop against zerg with mutas, you just need to figure out where the mutas are and then drop not there. For example, if you're being harassed, drop - the mutas will take some time to get back.
edit: weird baneling bug o__O it didnt show the rolling animation even though they have speed
On May 29 2011 14:03 Denarthis wrote: God, an Idra v Cruncher final would be awesome and hilarious. Idra needs his revenge for TSL and what a great place to get it!
On May 29 2011 12:21 travis wrote: you'd think select would have learned to stop trying to drop him in g1 and g2 he's not playing a protoss. zerg has mutas. would you try to drop a protoss with 10 phoenixes flying around?
QXC said it well actually. You can drop against zerg with mutas, you just need to figure out where the mutas are and then drop not there. For example, if you're being harassed, drop - the mutas will take some time to get back.
edit: weird baneling bug o__O it didnt show the rolling animation even though they have speed
has qxc been able to successfully drop against idra? hehe
On May 29 2011 12:21 travis wrote: you'd think select would have learned to stop trying to drop him in g1 and g2 he's not playing a protoss. zerg has mutas. would you try to drop a protoss with 10 phoenixes flying around?
QXC said it well actually. You can drop against zerg with mutas, you just need to figure out where the mutas are and then drop not there. For example, if you're being harassed, drop - the mutas will take some time to get back.
edit: weird baneling bug o__O it didnt show the rolling animation even though they have speed
has qxc been able to successfully drop against idra? hehe
his spotting is very very good
Day9 said the same thing. In one of his latest dailies he was explaining how Terrans in bw were "forcing" their drops to work, even though Z had scourge.
On May 29 2011 14:03 Denarthis wrote: God, an Idra v Cruncher final would be awesome and hilarious. Idra needs his revenge for TSL and what a great place to get it!
When i saw NASL Idra was just raging about Cruncher, which is soooo funny :D Would be hillarious to see them in a Bo7
This could possibly be the most drama filled Bo7 ever But I think DDE will be a very tough opponent for Cruncher - just look at their TvP and PvT win rates, respectively.
Idra and Cruncher have already clashed in a finals at ESEA StarCraft 2 Team League grand finals about one or two weeks ago. You can see the VODs in AskJoshy's channel, I believe.
The only game select takes is a 2 rax "bring lotsa scv's" bunker rush. Not surprised, still enjoyed the series though. I'd have to say the callibur of the other players left are low compared to IdrA, but won't be that surprised if he loses to the winner of dde/cruncher.
On May 29 2011 22:16 Micket wrote: DDE macros Brood war style, individually clicking each building and training a unit
I can't imagine this being anything other than a sub optimal way to play >.>
It allows you to always produce from the barracks closer to the rally points when you don't have enough resources for a full production cycle. Axslav does fine with 80 APM which means there are actions to spare, so why not? I like it when a player does something in a totally different way mechanically.
On May 29 2011 22:16 Micket wrote: DDE macros Brood war style, individually clicking each building and training a unit
I can't imagine this being anything other than a sub optimal way to play >.>
It allows you to always produce from the barracks closer to the rally points when you don't have enough resources for a full production cycle. Axslav does fine with 80 APM which means there are actions to spare, so why not? I like it when a player does something in a totally different way mechanically.
But he can do a lot better with more APM. I don't think with 80 APM you have any spare APM in the mid game and definitely not in the late game.
I remember someone posting this before but "high APM doesn't mean you're a top player, but top players have high APM".
On May 29 2011 18:33 Adhuan wrote: Idra and Cruncher have already clashed in a finals at ESEA StarCraft 2 Team League grand finals about one or two weeks ago. You can see the VODs in AskJoshy's channel, I believe.
On May 30 2011 04:01 xOTian wrote: Hey, I have a question. I cannot find the payout structure for this tournament, and I have been looking forever -_-;
Me neither I've been trying to search for it for a while too.
On May 30 2011 04:01 xOTian wrote: Hey, I have a question. I cannot find the payout structure for this tournament, and I have been looking forever -_-;
Me neither I've been trying to search for it for a while too.
On May 30 2011 04:01 xOTian wrote: Hey, I have a question. I cannot find the payout structure for this tournament, and I have been looking forever -_-;
Me neither I've been trying to search for it for a while too.
On May 30 2011 04:01 xOTian wrote: Hey, I have a question. I cannot find the payout structure for this tournament, and I have been looking forever -_-;
Me neither I've been trying to search for it for a while too.
On May 30 2011 04:01 xOTian wrote: Hey, I have a question. I cannot find the payout structure for this tournament, and I have been looking forever -_-;
Me neither I've been trying to search for it for a while too.
i dont understand why Josh isnt casting the final at all.. He's done the whole thing and he's about 70 times better caster than JP is.
I love JP for his talk shows, interviews and all, but he's just ot entertaining whatsoever as a caster and he doesnt have the knowledge to make up for it kinda thing.
That split to take out the collosi won him the game. The medvac micro was also very good. Very solid play from DDE, he really has improved since the last time I watched him play.
Great play from dde, especially with that army split. Just wanted to say that this tournament is very impressive (great games/casting + chance to win things)
Really impressed with the Sixjax guys lately. I was one of the haters when they were selected in the NASL, but they've clearly worked hard and won me over.
Would be cool to see how well they fare in EU tournaments.
On May 30 2011 08:16 Bagi wrote: Really impressed with the Sixjax guys lately. I was one of the haters when they were selected in the NASL, but they've clearly worked hard and won me over.
Would be cool to see how well they fare in EU tournaments.
I always thought dde deserved his spot in the NASL based on what I had seen from him in clan wars and stuff but I agree in regards to vibe he's definitely been impressing me lately.
On May 30 2011 08:31 cyclone25 wrote: IdrA - Vibe was just played, I got spoiled myself ... I thought this will be played live, not gonna watch anymore.
How did you get spoiled exactly? How would people know when it hasn't been casted?
On May 30 2011 08:31 cyclone25 wrote: IdrA - Vibe was just played, I got spoiled myself ... I thought this will be played live, not gonna watch anymore.
How did you get spoiled exactly? How would people know when it hasn't been casted?
They're not played live, and you can see IdrA's match history on his sc2 profile.
On May 30 2011 08:28 anonymitylol wrote: Does anybody know what song that is on the bumper ad? I've been killing myself trying to find it and Shazam isn't finding anything
They said it would be CASTED live. There's a difference between saying the games will be played live, and casted live.
"All the action will be streamed live" -> all the action includes the matches themselves, right? And they aren't shown to us live but from replays.
When a viewer asks "are the matches casted live", he asks about the match and not about the casters. It's pathetic how someone tries to play around with the words to make it look like the matches are being played live.
Man, that first game was anticlimactic. You really saw idras macro there though, max supply and 1.3k banked with higher upgrades when Vibe had 180 supply.
I've seen IdrA's and DDE's recent match history and I can't dig up anything, it seems they both win lots of things. Wouldn't the games be played on the 28th, in which IdrA seemingly won everything? Someone said looking at DDE's recent match history spoils the results, but IdrA's disagrees. Unless ViBE beats him in this series, which I think is downright impossible at this point. What have you guys found?
The finals are already being played, and you're European like me, and you're going to bed soon, you might check the current results of the finals from the finalists' match history. Three games have already been played. I'm sad I won't be watching these on the stream :/
I've seen IdrA's and DDE's recent match history and I can't dig up anything, it seems they both win lots of things. Wouldn't the games be played on the 28th, in which IdrA seemingly won everything? Someone said looking at DDE's recent match history spoils the results, but IdrA's disagrees. Unless ViBE beats him in this series, which I think is downright impossible at this point. What have you guys found?
I've seen IdrA's and DDE's recent match history and I can't dig up anything, it seems they both win lots of things. Wouldn't the games be played on the 28th, in which IdrA seemingly won everything? Someone said looking at DDE's recent match history spoils the results, but IdrA's disagrees. Unless ViBE beats him in this series, which I think is downright impossible at this point. What have you guys found?
IdrA won 4-0 agaisnt ViBe and DDE is currently up 2-1 agaisn't IdrA. When I said that DDE match history spoiled the results I was just speaking of game one
I've seen IdrA's and DDE's recent match history and I can't dig up anything, it seems they both win lots of things. Wouldn't the games be played on the 28th, in which IdrA seemingly won everything? Someone said looking at DDE's recent match history spoils the results, but IdrA's disagrees. Unless ViBE beats him in this series, which I think is downright impossible at this point. What have you guys found?
I agree, but I'd rather not say that, I would get a lot of hate.
the inclusion of close positions metalopolis is very sad, I understand at the start of the tourney when you had 1024 participants, but seeing it now in the finals it seems very unfair.
I'm not going to try to defend idra or anything, but not using the mlg version is beyond stupid. The only difference in the maps are close spawn locations aren't there (making for much better games generally). The excuse that they tried to make it more comfortable for the open bracket players doesn't hold any water.. I just do not understand why a tournament that has been run this well would not understand that the ladder version isn't the correct map to choose when so many other tournaments have tried and failed with it.
Idra got screwed, having to play close pos metal, still no reason for the BM, not dde's fault that that version was allowed, and I'm not sure what he would expect from dde in a situation like that.
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
On May 30 2011 11:09 Termit wrote: Yeah stupid to play ladder meta but stupid by idra to drop that comment to dde, it's not like dde decided ladder meta. Blame the admins not dde >.<
It's not just coming from this series, idra knows dde from playing him on ladder a lot and assumes he would own him with fair maps.
Was wondering how long it would take for the whiners to come out. Love the tears! These guys are playing for MONEY, not hugs and kisses. DDE would've been an absolute FOOL not to take the advantage he was given.
On May 30 2011 11:12 Hrrrrm wrote: Was wondering how long it would take for the whiners to come out. Love the tears! These guys are playing for MONEY, not hugs and kisses. DDE would've been an absolute FOOL not to take the advantage he was given.
yes, playing for money using idiotic and proven imbalanced map. there is a reason why everybody but blizzard uses modified versions.
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
On May 30 2011 11:11 hmunkey wrote: Close positions metal is an undisputed map imbalance. What are you guys going on about? Every major tournament's banned ladder metal for months now.
Erm yes noone claimed the contrary. What are you on about?
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
dde is playing very well and countering idra's style very well. you are causing a shitstorm that is going to diminish his wins. is that what you are aiming for?
On May 30 2011 11:11 hmunkey wrote: Close positions metal is an undisputed map imbalance. What are you guys going on about? Every major tournament's banned ladder metal for months now.
not undisputed. 1. It requires a different play style, more of a rush oriented style. 2. Idra left the game way to early
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
Oh shit, what a loss!
dde isn't even on my team xD!
I know. But I think he was thinking about NrG, not sixjax.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
Oh shit, what a loss!
dde isn't even on my team xD!
dde WAS on your team, which is "where he came from."
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
Oh shit, what a loss!
dde isn't even on my team xD!
ROFLMAO. I think a lot of people still haven't gotten used to the NRG/Sixjax Gaming split yet
On May 30 2011 11:04 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: not dde's fault they used that map IdrA needs to learn how to lose.
LOL.
/facepalm
he is a little biased considering where dde comes from
Nah im biased cuz IdrA is a moron and dde isnt dde comes from korea and I come from Canada. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Better to shut up before you embarrass yourself some more.
Everyone siding with IdrA after he has BM'd after every game is embarrassing themselves. after IdrA ragequit game 1, dde was nice enough to gg after game 2. Now game 3 idra just ragequits again and takes a shot at dde with bm. But yea, im embarassing MYself
gj reppin your team, I now know never to support them.
Oh shit, what a loss!
dde isn't even on my team xD!
dde WAS on your team, which is "where he came from."
when will tournaments start to give 10% of the money the player won to charity instead for every time they BM, so even players as good as idra start to fucking grow a pair and show sportsmanship. The way it looks now you can pull random noobs from the ladder and they are better athlets than idra is, with his sulking and BM
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Why should he feel bad about bashing idra? The guy who has been temp banned on TL over 20 times. The guy who makes really BM and uncaring remarks all the time (remember the WeRRa comment guys?). The guy who refuses to act in good sportsmanship to other people and instead lash out with his emotions?
On May 30 2011 11:18 Ojahh wrote: when will tournaments start to give 10% of the money the player won to charity instead for every time they BM, so even players as good as idra start to fucking grow a pair and show sportsmanship. The way it looks now you can pull random noobs from the ladder and they are better athlets than idra is, with his sulking and BM
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Seriously. As the representative/leader of a team, it's kinda pathetic how childish he's acting. I mean, yeah, it's one thing for IdrA fanboys to be annoying pricks, but you're a public figure. Your role is to earn your team respect, which you're currently doing the opposite of. Good job.
On May 30 2011 11:18 Ojahh wrote: when will tournaments start to give 10% of the money the player won to charity instead for every time they BM, so even players as good as idra start to fucking grow a pair and show sportsmanship. The way it looks now you can pull random noobs from the ladder and they are better athlets than idra is, with his sulking and BM
Well Idra makes a lot of "fans" and gains attention with his bm. It is responsible for a big chunk of his income.
So from his point of view it makes a lot of sense as long as it is rewarded.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
And so what? He is a douche, everyone knows that. You still shouldn't be bashing anyone as a "Leader/Manager of Team NrG". Learn to represent your team, right know you are making yourself look immature.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Why should he feel bad about bashing idra? The guy who has been temp banned on TL over 20 times. The guy who makes really BM and uncaring remarks all the time (remember the WeRRa comment guys?). The guy who refuses to act in good sportsmanship to other people and instead lash out with his emotions?
Why should he feel he has the right to do so because idra does it? What sense does that even make?
I love IdrA and am a big fan, but until tournament organisers actually outline 'no bm' in games as a rule and ENFORCE it, IdrA will continue to do so (Notice how he never BMd in GSL?).
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
... You are being hypocritical by BMing him here. I am not condoning how idra is at all. He is an amazing player and I actually think he would do way better if he had a better attitude. But I do not run around doing the EXACT same thing to try to prove that. It is counter productive. You look JUST as immature with what you have been saying in this thread as Idra.
On May 30 2011 11:24 schmutttt wrote: I love IdrA and am a big fan, but until tournament organisers actually outline 'no bm' in games as a rule and ENFORCE it, IdrA will continue to do so (Notice how he never BMd in GSL?).
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
And so what? He is a douche, everyone knows that. You still shouldn't be bashing anyone as a "Leader/Manager of Team NrG". Learn to represent your team, right know you are making yourself look immature.
What "bad" thing did he actually say? That the close spawn position was not ddes fault? That Idra should learn to take a loss and manner up?
Seriously, tahts just common sense. Its just rediculous how much flak one gets should one dare to critisize Idra.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.
He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
And so what? He is a douche, everyone knows that. You still shouldn't be bashing anyone as a "Leader/Manager of Team NrG". Learn to represent your team, right know you are making yourself look immature.
What "bad" thing did he actually say? That the close spawn position was not ddes fault? That Idra should learn to take a loss and manner up?
Seriously, tahts just common sense. Its just rediculous how much flak one gets should one dare to critisize Idra.
On May 30 2011 11:26 89andy wrote: holy shit no MLG version of meta.
All major tourneys only changed it to no close spawn positions for a reason, and that is BALANCE.
Yeah that was really screwed up, and arguably got him tilted.I mean what kind of series uses a map version that every other respectable tournament avoids because it is widely acknowledged as grossly imbalanced for zerg.
This game reminds me of IdrA v Tarson at IEM last year. Wonder if IdrA will just go mass muta again and try and straight up kill all the thors with a few magic boxes.
On May 30 2011 11:26 89andy wrote: holy shit no MLG version of meta.
All major tourneys only changed it to no close spawn positions for a reason, and that is BALANCE.
Yeah that was really screwed up, and arguably got him tilted.I mean what kind of series uses a map version that every other respectable tournament avoids because it is widely acknowledged as grossly imbalanced for zerg.
Cuz the entire tourney was intended to showcase Cruncher, and CoL has bad history with IdrA anyways.
On May 30 2011 11:26 89andy wrote: holy shit no MLG version of meta.
All major tourneys only changed it to no close spawn positions for a reason, and that is BALANCE.
Yeah that was really screwed up, and arguably got him tilted.I mean what kind of series uses a map version that every other respectable tournament avoids because it is widely acknowledged as grossly imbalanced for zerg.
Cuz the entire tourney was intended to showcase Cruncher, and CoL has bad history with IdrA anyways.
That may be true, but Cruncher is protoss so he doesn't benefit nearly as much as terrans do. I don't really think what we saw here was a conspiracy or planned out anti-IdrA map pool, but just poor decision-making and planning on the part of the tournament admins.
It's still mind-boggling that tournaments cannot get maps right when all they have to do is copy GSL/MLG/NASL/IPL etc.
On May 30 2011 11:25 sermokala wrote: this is just sad NASL quality terny at the end here. yesterday was better
Sound is shit for an even sponsered by an sound comp irony I do belive.
It's just Joshy being shit
What do you have against Josh? I've seen a bunch of posts from you complaining about him. He's not even casting, what's the deal?
He's a bad caster and clearly incapable of streaming a tournament too, that's all.
d-d-d-d-d-ouchebaaaag
o-o-o-o-o-pinion
Yeah Skype is screwing up the sound, something that happens all the time during casts and because of that he is "clearly incapable of streaming a tournament". Sick opinion there. Newcomers like you that doesn't appreciate anything make me just wanna punch a wall sometimes.
dde played well, I hope IdrA on sotg doesn't make excuses because aside from the metalopolis game (2 rax is retardedly easy to execute and a lot harder to hold, especially on close positions) dde just outplayed him.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.
He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.
On May 30 2011 11:31 KingRajesh wrote: If DDE didn't have that cheese win on close position Metal and that garbage win on Terminus, this series would be much better.
Terminus game wasn`t garbage at all. Was pretty straight up win. Also two rax isnt cheese you really shouldnt hatch first on close postitions. I understand you guys are fans but at least think about what your saying. I was rooting for idra myself but im still going to give dde credit where it is due
On May 30 2011 11:31 DamnCats wrote: Ouch idra man wait fuckin 10 seconds on that attack for bane speed and it goes 10x better for you. :[
Too many marines, would not have changed at all.
Well, he still was going to lose since 90 percent of his army was mutas against thor/marine, but.. it definitely would have killed more marines :b
The real problem seemed to be that idra forgot baneling speed and let the army get into much too good a position. The game would have at least gone on if he had baneling speed and was able to engage in a decent position.
On May 30 2011 11:33 schmutttt wrote: dde played well, I hope IdrA on sotg doesn't make excuses because aside from the metalopolis game (2 rax is retardedly easy to execute and a lot harder to hold, especially on close positions) dde just outplayed him.
I agree with this, however, excepting the Meta game, IdrA could've had a chance to pull out a 4-3 win.
not bad tourney, but in future probably 1. hide match histories (use liek the TSL maps that hide?) 2. standard maps, probably more an oversight than any sort of conspiracy
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.
He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.
He's always respected kiwi actually.
Pretty sure I heard him say himself or some other zerg was 3x better than kiwi when he was commentating NASL.
On May 30 2011 11:42 Mailing wrote: dde -> sees 5 muta -> starts thors -> cannot be harassed much
Every other terran -> sees 30 mutalisks -> starts armory -> loses 1/2 of base before they are safe
Like that
The main problem is, he read Idra's build perfectly because in the interview he said Idra is a person who likes to mass mutas+few banelings+lings.
Against zerg who goes less mutas and more focused on banelings. This start would not work as when banelings get into a high numbers micro alone won't do the trick since you really need to get to that 6-8 tank count and Thor slows down your tank production too much nd lets zerg take too many bases. DDE just countered Idra's style and won that.
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: What was the excuse in game 4?
Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.
Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.
People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.
Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.
He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.
He's always respected kiwi actually.
Pretty sure I heard him say himself or some other zerg was 3x better than kiwi when he was commentating NASL.
Anyone verify?
I hear saying one player is better than another player is being disrespectful to the other player. Couldn't be a legitimate point, no way.
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote: Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.
Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss. Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.
On May 30 2011 11:20 AutomatonOmega wrote: Tourney organizers failing to use the MLG version of Meta is bad form.
Methinks they did it on purpose to disfavor Idra.
Nope, the actual reason is even more illogical than that
On May 27 2011 02:02 JoshSuth wrote: Part of the reason is that we had a 1,024 man open amateur tournament and we wanted consistency. MLG has published several versions of their own Metalopolis. Also, I would wager that the majority of our amateurs had never played on the MLG versions anyway.
I made some angry posts in the Sponsored version of the thread about it before the tournament started but to no avail. To be frank it's almost actually depressing to see games which validate my argument. Hopefully Complexity will actually review their rules / map pool with a more discerning eye next time.
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote: Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.
Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss. Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.
Wrong. He did say he was afraid of Kiwi before because he was a protoss, but he has also stated before that he respected Kiwi. Not as much recently though, apparently.
On May 30 2011 11:24 schmutttt wrote: I love IdrA and am a big fan, but until tournament organisers actually outline 'no bm' in games as a rule and ENFORCE it, IdrA will continue to do so (Notice how he never BMd in GSL?).
Was for other reasons.
1. Playing koreans 2. "Offline" tournament
Koreans play "abusively" and cheese play too
It would be weird someone not 'gg'ing in Korea when the Korean casters love shouting the GG part at the end.
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote: Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.
Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss. Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.
Wrong. He did say he was afraid of Kiwi before because he was a protoss, but he has also stated before that he respected Kiwi. Not as much recently though, apparently.
I think he spoke in favour of the whole root team in ITG on the last episode. Or maybe it was during the EGMC
As far as IdrA's respect goes...(and it doesn't really matter lol)
It was on State of the Game where IdrA said that he is 3x better than KiWi after the IPL finals. I think he respects players in general who are legitimately good, I know for a fact he sees Sen highly. Perhaps similar with Ret, they had a big rivalry back in the BW days though.
IdrA respects players who were amongst the best at BW, every players that are not he sees them as having terrible mechanics and only knowing 1 or 2 base all ins or abusing their race to win against zerg.
It's sad, but Incontrol said lately, it starts with im 3 times better than him, it goes sometimes he cheeses and wins and then when he doesnt talk about them anymore it means he respects their skills. And he said that's why he doesn't about about kiwi anymore.
Seriously it's tough to say Kiwi sucks. He's really not an all inner, he has solid macro, his late game is scary, he knows how to apply pressure, his micro might be the best or close to outside of korea.
That said IdrA will have to accept that some players are really working hard on getting better at Sc2 that weren't necesserly great BW players or even any good at the game. He might have practiced 10 hours a day for three years playing BW, but SC2 is a new game and other people have improved their mechanics to a point where they are really good at it too and hav crazy good understanding of the game too.
On May 30 2011 11:33 schmutttt wrote: dde played well, I hope IdrA on sotg doesn't make excuses because aside from the metalopolis game (2 rax is retardedly easy to execute and a lot harder to hold, especially on close positions) dde just outplayed him.
Dunno how can you say that. I don't know... but when i see the way ppl are beating players like Idra/Ret/Nestea,,,it basiclly HAS to be something .... can't say OP straight away, but unorthodox/abusive. Dunno what could he have done in a game on shakuras...unless he didn't go mutas in the first place, how can you stop sieged tanks (on clifs), protected by marines/thors/turrets/bunkers...Map, not DDE. 3ed game : He had no way of knowing what was going on. And when the timing push came, its a gg. Broken scouting in the game. Don't feel the need to commentate on metal game.... Only game i would feel DDE (and not map) won is maybe last game on Xel'naga.
We all saw what happens on Tal'darim in a straight up game(which also can be abused by Terran and cliffs easily).
Still haven't watched the finals as I thought it would be completely one sided, but looking at the comments makes me sad.
Every time a protoss or a terran beats a zerg it's always about all ins, abusing the race or having imbalanced army composition.
Every time a Zerg wins it's always about sick macro, great mechanics, insane army control, etc...
Isn't the game build this way tho? Is there any way as a protoss to outmacro zergs? Is it any kind of beneficial as a protoss to flank? Pretty much every good harass units as protoss are somhow considered gimmicky by a lot of people r they are the type of units that you need to do a lot of damage or you\re so far behind that it doesn\t even metter according to some people.
Just my own experience, I was about to get in master as protoss in the last season, but I basically stopped playing a month before the season ended and started a month afer the season 2 started, played so terribly in the little bit that i played late in season 1 that i got placed in platinum. Even there I struggle to win a consistent basis cause my mechanics are absolutely awful. Yet I off raced in 2v2 with a friend as a zerg for about a day, today I go on the ladder 1v1 forget to change race and I beat a Diamond terran. I have no sense of timing whatsoever as zerg, i had no build order whatsoever, i dont even know how to control zerg units yet i won pretty easily.
No offense, but 5 v click v click for injects and 4sdddddd for insane economy isn't that hard.. I had sooo much "better macro" as zerg playing my first 1v1 game ever then as protoss playing since the release. It's just how the race is.
With the results lately it's stupid to talk about Zerg being under powered, every races have ways to win games. There's no race that you can just be awful at the game and win best of series on a consistent basis.
The best player doesn't always win in a Best of series even in a best 7, but the player who's best prepared really puts odds on his side and if IdrA went into this series thinking I'm 7 times better than dde, he totally deserves to lose. Idra is an exciting player to watch because of how skilled he is, but he can't go into every series thinking his skills alone will guarantee him wins. It doesn't work in Sports, it won't work in Sc2 either.
On May 30 2011 11:42 Mailing wrote: dde -> sees 5 muta -> starts thors -> cannot be harassed much
Every other terran -> sees 30 mutalisks -> starts armory -> loses 1/2 of base before they are safe
Like that
Yeah thats why dde won...
Yes, bro, it is.
IdrA wins 90% of his TvZ due to mutalisk harass.
This made me lol.
Where is the basis on this? have you watched a large enough sample size of his games? How many games are actually ever won by mutalisk harass by any player in any matchup? like 1/1000? less?
There was a few differences in how he won. He went marauder hellion, which means his marine count is low therefore he needed some thors to bolster himself. He knows he's delayed the 3rd, so he's comfortable on defending on 2 base, which most terran are with or without thors so he can be immobile. Then he pushes out in what I feel is suicide (no tanks), if IdrA had waited just a bit longer for baneling speed he'd of cleaned it up insanely well as magic boxed mutas easily overwhelm thors. IdrA was up on bases, could've busted the third with no real consequence and honestly would've won the game imo. Terminus was well played by dde, used the relatively narrow passage way, with IdrA not sending half of his lings outside to flank. Metal 9/10 zerg can't win close pos so that's more of a map pool error (not using MLG). The 1-1 I didn't see though.
well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win.
Well, you certainly didn't play to lose!
Good man, dde, totally deserved victory. Congrats for that huge win! Should be by far your biggest money pickup yet, right?
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win.
Well, you certainly didn't play to lose!
Good man, dde, totally deserved victory. Congrats for that huge win! Should be by far your biggest money pickup yet, right?
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
Since you're facing idra. Beating Idra = all in.
Vs Idra every attacks you have to damage or you're so far behind and if you actually do damage it means you were all in because you had to do damage or you would have been so far behind.
If that actually makes sense, I'm still trying to figure it out myself.
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
according to gretorp and mr. bitter anything that is less than 5 bases is considered all in. didn't you watch NASL tonight? gah. =P
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well.
Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses.
Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport.
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
IdrA's army of slaves will do anything to discredit a win. Congrats on a great tournament win beating a strong opponent!!
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well.
Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses.
Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport.
Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago.
Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well.
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
That's what all the pro koreans did... they expanded behind a close POS meta. That's the reason it was OP'ed, the fact that you can 2 rax ... potentially CRIPPLE the zerg economy because he has to defend perfectly which is freakin hard, OR they fend it off perfectly but terran has already expanded and the next push is going to come soon and the zerg will not have the appropriate amount of units to defend the next push.
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well.
Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses.
Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport.
Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago.
Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well.
So Idra lost all 4 games on same map in same close positions? Because he raged and bmed after every loss, not just that one.
The DDE played to win thing is the msot retarded thing I've ever heard.. Seriously. Do you really think Idra practices 10 hours a day to lose? Do you think he figures out the best way to play every matchs ups to lose?
If you don't harass or do damage or have good push vs zerg you just won't win.
The metal game is sad, but blaming DDE on this one is just wrong. Complexity made a mistake to use Ladder metal rather than MLG one. You can't blame DDE for being like ehh he's close positio I'll be aggressive. No player in his positon will be like hey we should rehost so we arent in close position..
I'm a huge IdrA fan, and I don't know how anyone could criticize DDE. You play to win, and he did, in fine style in fact. Close positions or not, DDE deserved to win today. Congrats to DDE and yay for a good showing by sixjax in this tourney.
Well it's obvious DDE won cause guess who is their coach? Artosis, and that guy knows every little bit of IdrA's playstyle.. I think that helped DDE quite alot.
I think it's about time bigger tournaments implement some good old KeSPA rules, starting with no chat during games (punished by instant disqualification).
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well.
Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses.
Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport.
Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago.
Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well.
In a strategy game, people play to take advantage features of the maps such as zerg wants to engage fights in open space while terran and toss prefer to fight in narrow chokes. Even in broodwar, people will take advantage of certain maps such muta harass if there is space behind mineral line. You may think its not fair but if the players has knowledge that close spawn is possible, the players need to adapt. What did you expect DDE to do on close position metro? 1 barrack expand? FE?No, he is going to use the strongest strategy which just happened to be 2-rax. You can't blame the player for trying to win. You made it sound like its DDE's fault having ladder maps which is just not the case. Players play to win because its their job. Tourney organizers will try to choose maps and "players" that will bring the most entertaining games.
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days?
U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well.
Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses.
Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport.
Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago.
Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well.
So Idra lost all 4 games on same map in same close positions? Because he raged and bmed after every loss, not just that one.
He didn't BM or rage on a single lose. Plz watch the games.
On May 30 2011 08:16 Bagi wrote: Really impressed with the Sixjax guys lately. I was one of the haters when they were selected in the NASL, but they've clearly worked hard and won me over.
Would be cool to see how well they fare in EU tournaments.
And after the finals this statement is even more true.
On May 30 2011 16:53 BeefEU wrote: Well it's obvious DDE won cause guess who is their coach? Artosis, and that guy knows every little bit of IdrA's playstyle.. I think that helped DDE quite alot.
I don't think Artosis has time to coach anyone in his team. He barely has time to keep in decent shape for NASL.
Edit: Also can anyone give me a quick rundown of the games? Someone said a few posts up that they played on close position Meta for 4 games?? Is that even allowed?
On May 30 2011 16:53 BeefEU wrote: Well it's obvious DDE won cause guess who is their coach? Artosis, and that guy knows every little bit of IdrA's playstyle.. I think that helped DDE quite alot.
I don't think Artosis has time to coach anyone in his team. He barely has time to keep in decent shape for NASL.
Edit: Also can anyone give me a quick rundown of the games? Someone said a few posts up that they played on close position Meta for 4 games?? Is that even allowed?
That was obviously a joke.
What's up with people on TL failing to pick up sarcasm so often?
Hey guys. I just want to apologize for any of the problems that the stream had this weekend, as I was running the production myself. I have always cast solo on my own stream and was admittedly not prepared for the handling of additional casters, and there was a time or two where the stream went down purely because my home Internet connection couldn't keep up. I had an audio driver fail during the IdrA vs. ViBe game 3 and I will be re-casting that one for YouTube as a result.
I've got to say that the Metalopolis vs. MLG Metalopolis issue was handled poorly and I am willing to accept some blame for that. Who knows how the series would have gone had they been at cross positions? dde had already shown in Game 1 that he had some effective strategies against IdrA, and I can't say for certain that dde didn't just choose Metalopolis because he knew there was a possibility of close positions. Either way, this was not a best of one series, it was a best of seven. If you believe that IdrA became tilted because of Game 3 and couldn't regain his composure for the rest of the games, well then that speaks more about his personality than his gameplay. Keep in mind that IdrA defeated FXOqxc and DignitasSeleCT on his way to the grand finals without breaking a sweat. Don't diminish dde's accomplishment because of a poor decision by us, the tournament organizers.
Finally I want to make a point about the last day being cast from replays instead of live. It was a last-minute decision that was debated heavily by the tournament organizers, players, and casters. I will say that there were some accusations both Friday night and Saturday of stream cheating and with thousands of dollars on the line, we could not in good conscience risk the integrity of the outcome. I hope all of you will understand that.
All in all, even with this tournament's unique set of problems, I enjoyed being a part of it and am happy to see that some people can look past those issues and enjoy the tournament for what it was, a great display of the North American StarCraft 2 scene.
On May 31 2011 02:00 JoshSuth wrote: Tal'darim Altar wasn't on the ladder yet when we determined the map pool.
You just shouldn't bother too much Josh. You're like the face of the tourny and everybody looks at you for every hiccups that happened during the whole thing. But much bigger production crew had much bigger issues.
It just sucks that most of the people complaining aren't the one that follows the tournament since the beginning, but the one that just decided to tune in during round of 4 and saw some issues in pretty much every series without really knowing why it happened this way or knowing that the tournament run really smooth the whole time except maybe 3 or 4 games.
Both the amateur bracket and the actual final tournament had some really awesome games and seeing a bit of a newer top player win a big tournament is always nice!
On May 31 2011 03:58 ThaZenith wrote: Other than dde being a dick on metal, i enjoyed the games. Too bad IdrA lost, but dde just played pretty good, and idra droned a touch too much.
don't hate the player, hate the game. Only an idiot wouldn't 2 rax close pos on meta, it's a terrible position that never should've existed on meta. grats on your win dde (=
On May 31 2011 03:58 ThaZenith wrote: Other than dde being a dick on metal, i enjoyed the games. Too bad IdrA lost, but dde just played pretty good, and idra droned a touch too much.
don't hate the player, hate the game. Only an idiot wouldn't 2 rax close pos on meta, it's a terrible position that never should've existed on meta. grats on your win dde (=
Who said I hated him? Learn2read? And why would you recommend people hate the game?
On May 31 2011 03:58 ThaZenith wrote: Other than dde being a dick on metal, i enjoyed the games. Too bad IdrA lost, but dde just played pretty good, and idra droned a touch too much.
don't hate the player, hate the game. Only an idiot wouldn't 2 rax close pos on meta, it's a terrible position that never should've existed on meta. grats on your win dde (=
Who said I hated him? Learn2read? And why would you recommend people hate the game?
He didn't say you hated him, he said you were hating on him, and yeah, callnig someone a dick probably falls under the category of "hating".
good games from dde! i was rooting for idra, but you can't win everything also, great tourney from complexity, but it's sad that they're getting so much flack for the close positions on metal.
On May 31 2011 11:50 artanis2 wrote: Idra even scouted the close position on Metal, no excuse for the loss there.
To be quite frank, those positions are pretty much a 95% winchance for the Terran. I really don't understand how a tournament can use this version of Metalopolis...
Still though, IdrA being IdrA is just silly. I wish he could handle his feelings..
The rabid fans complaining about DDE on metal doesn't make any sense...the only "style" of play they would happy with from DDE is him losing. Even if he doesn't win from 2 rax aggression, the reason that it's imbalanced is also because of the impossible 3rd for zerg...I never win off 2 rax immediately in the game from close spawns, I just finish it off 2-3 base with the slow tank push that is made easy with contained creep spread/a zerg that can't get a defendable 3rd. No matter what, DDE would've won, and it flatout isn't his fault that the map was chosen. This was also only one win out of four. While people may always complain about "tilt," let's be real, this is IdrA, a seasoned veteran of dozens of LANs and countless more online tournaments.
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Had to make up time for NASL casting due to MLG.
