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On May 27 2011 00:50 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 00:47 Medrea wrote:
Your right, scouting the front is bad. Don't do it. Go rock, paper, scissors build and hope for the best. Theres no way. Sorry guys guess I was wrong, cannot tell what Terran is doing until they go down the ramp. Only been playing RTS since Herzog Zwei practically invented it in 1990. Excuse me. Are you a child? When did I say scouting the front is bad? You say... Count units properly and you should know whats happening. I say... I counted marines, but he has 5 strategies to choose from, tell me how to scout. You say... Only been playing RTS sinze Herzong Zwei invented in 1990. I'll say it again. sc2 - isn't simple. You don't scout the front and are in immediate comfort zone. I'm watching Naniwa stream, you know what he said in chat. "Can't scout that sh*t"... after he got 1 base raven banshee tank scv marine all in'd. ♥
You mean the guy who went 26-2 at mlg and reached the finals of a TSL that featured 5 protoss and 3 terrans in the round of 8? Maybe Mc can help him, you know the guy that won GSL last season and Dreamhack. Or Inca, you know the guy who reached the GSL finals this season. You make it sound like PvT is a farce, yet Protoss players are still posting results, unless you want to tell me its time to bust out the patches because of a month and a half of results dropping?
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OH GOD.
Fruitdealer was playing so well too, up until it turned I was just itching to get on ladder and try out his baneling style. So, so good. I wish he had won, and still think that play was fantastic, just a minor slip up with huge consequences. Shame it didn't work out in the end, Ace sniping the Greater Spire and the Hive. I guess that's why we see a lot of people go lair at their natural.
EDIT: There was a point where Ace had one mining base left (at close positions from his original main) and FD didn't attack it because of psi storms and canon by the ramp. Wonder how it would have worked out if he'd just done a doom drop up on that base, I felt when I watched it that it would have just ended it. He had enough roaches/lings and enough overlords and had speed/drops.
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Brat_OK's build in the Day9 Daily is different from MKP's. Brat_OK's was 1-base while MKP was 1 rax CC into ghosts. Maybe Brat_OK's done similar FE Ghost builds though, I don't really pay attention to Brat_OK.
MKP's was 1rax CC, and then 2 more rax. On Terminus, he builds the CC on the low ground and then builds a Bunker at the choke. On Metalopolis, he built the CC on the high ground and doesn't build a Bunker because Metalopolis's natural is a lot more open than Terminus's. The Bunker might have also had to do with the fact that he didn't see an Expansion from Squirtle when he made it.
On Metalopolis, this was his follow up:
2 Refinery
Tech Lab
Stim
Start making Marauders.
Tech Lab
Reactor
Shells
Ghost Academy
Shield
Ghosts
3rd Refinery.
If it were me, I'd probably delay making ghosts and upgrade Moebius Reactor first.
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Am I right to say that there are alot of noobs who have no idea what they are talking about and just want to post about balance and what not?
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2011 09:40 dabom88 wrote:
Brat_OK's build in the Day9 Daily is different from MKP's. Brat_OK's was 1-base while MKP was 1 rax CC into ghosts. Maybe Brat_OK's done similar FE Ghost builds though, I don't really pay attention to Brat_OK.
MKP's was 1rax CC, and then 2 more rax. On Terminus, he builds the CC on the low ground and then builds a Bunker at the choke. On Metalopolis, he built the CC on the high ground and doesn't build a Bunker because Metalopolis's natural is a lot more open than Terminus's. The Bunker might have also had to do with the fact that he didn't see an Expansion from Squirtle when he made it.
On Metalopolis, this was his follow up:
2 Refinery
Tech Lab
Stim
Start making Marauders.
Tech Lab
Reactor
Shells
Ghost Academy
Shield
Ghosts
3rd Refinery.
If it were me, I'd probably delay making ghosts and upgrade Moebius Reactor first.
Moebius Reactor delays this build. Remember, this build is a TIMING attack. Delaying it can potentially cost you the game as it gives ample time for the protoss to get thermal lance with even 2 collosus.
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I like how it took Wolf like three casts to completely outdo Moletrap in community acceptance and appreciation. We're hearing more and more complaints about Moletrap because he's just not up to par with his partner.
On May 27 2011 10:00 Dante08 wrote:
Am I right to say that there are alot of noobs who have no idea what they are talking about and just want to post about balance and what not? Ever heard of the term armchair quarterback? 
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On May 27 2011 06:39 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 00:50 NExt wrote:On May 27 2011 00:47 Medrea wrote:
Your right, scouting the front is bad. Don't do it. Go rock, paper, scissors build and hope for the best. Theres no way. Sorry guys guess I was wrong, cannot tell what Terran is doing until they go down the ramp. Only been playing RTS since Herzog Zwei practically invented it in 1990. Excuse me. Are you a child? When did I say scouting the front is bad? You say... Count units properly and you should know whats happening. I say... I counted marines, but he has 5 strategies to choose from, tell me how to scout. You say... Only been playing RTS sinze Herzong Zwei invented in 1990. I'll say it again. sc2 - isn't simple. You don't scout the front and are in immediate comfort zone. I'm watching Naniwa stream, you know what he said in chat. "Can't scout that sh*t"... after he got 1 base raven banshee tank scv marine all in'd. ♥ You mean the guy who went 26-2 at mlg and reached the finals of a TSL that featured 5 protoss and 3 terrans in the round of 8? Maybe Mc can help him, you know the guy that won GSL last season and Dreamhack. Or Inca, you know the guy who reached the GSL finals this season. You make it sound like PvT is a farce, yet Protoss players are still posting results, unless you want to tell me its time to bust out the patches because of a month and a half of results dropping?
What is this? Do you see anyone talking bout balance? Yeah the guy who went 26-2 MLG, had a frustrating moment and raged a little, is this problem? because no top Protoss has ever lost to a 1 base 1 Terran.
read before post pls. this discussion has been over with now anyways, so...
gl hf
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Just finished watching the vods's, man it sure seems like such a low amount of Tastosis nowadays. Hopefully get my fill of them casting MLG. I am liking Wolf though, only problem with him is the odd time he makes a really weird reference (like the Kim Possible one 2 days ago).
The games were good tonight (imo) Ensnare vs. Revival I liked, especially the belshir beach game. If you aren't a perfect play purist then watch this game. It's not just a 10 minute build order win like most games, lots of sloppy play but it's a long ass game which is what I don't see enough of in sc2.
FD vs. Ace was really good, again another nice game on belshir beach and pretty cool 3rd game.
MKP/Squirtle series
+ Show Spoiler +Very glad MKP went back to his older style, and I really liked the ghost play. He's gotta fight those tears
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Sorry Ensnare I've only seen your game 1 today, but that was painfully bad to watch. You floated over 1k minerals for a good portion of that game. Hitting 3k minerals and 1k gas with only 150 food. Simply TERRIBLE macro. Fail fail fail.
Sigh, game 2 was... what the... these games are making me so sad. Don't see how the Zerg threw away that huge lead, should've pulled lings from the terran's main and attacked in a superior position for an easy win.
edit: blooblooblahblah... indeed. That's about all I can say for these players. In light of recent Broodwar articles the fact that these people are even playing on TV is somewhat laughable. Their skill and likely their work / mindset cannot touch those of BW B teamers.
edit2: wait, ensnare lost... seriously? lol
WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING?
Disappointing to say the least. Barely Master's caliber.
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On May 27 2011 15:19 wolfe wrote:
Sorry Ensnare I've only seen your game 1 today, but that was painfully bad to watch. You floated over 1k minerals for a good portion of that game. Hitting 3k minerals and 1k gas with only 150 food. Simply TERRIBLE macro. Fail fail fail.
Wait til u see game 2...
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On May 26 2011 18:17 supersoft wrote:
revival is also a pretty awesome player. i hope he wins against ensnare. i think he has a lot of potential and with FD also a good mentor. he played pretty well in code A with mass drops etc. pretty cool playstyle
Yea!!! I knew he can do it!!!
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Dam, wish Tastosis commentated Revival vs Ensnare. Would have at least been fun watching them mock these players. Something along the lines of falling down stairs, jobbers, and what not.
edit: Moletrap and Wolf tried too hard to make the game "good". Don't lie to your viewers.  Just laugh with us and we'll laugh with you.
On May 26 2011 19:47 provrorsbarn wrote:
I wanna see Day9 analyze this game
Perfect. Newbie Tuesdays.
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is it me or Ace's play is so boring - Not just FD games but alot of other PVZ he does the same thing.
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4/4 liquibet. Thank you Ace. Love your style.
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People who say check the ramp..er, too bad you can kind of pull some units back so that you can't get a 100% scout of them? Scouting the ramp can literally mean nothing.
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it would be interesting to see the win/loss ratio of one base t
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On May 26 2011 22:01 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:56 Medrea wrote:On May 26 2011 21:55 NExt wrote:On May 26 2011 21:52 Medrea wrote:On May 26 2011 21:51 GoDLy MD wrote:On May 26 2011 21:49 Medrea wrote:On May 26 2011 21:48 NExt wrote:On May 26 2011 21:46 Medrea wrote:On May 26 2011 21:44 NExt wrote:On May 26 2011 21:43 Medrea wrote:
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Yah umm, just go kill him ghost take forever to get out. buunkers are pretty good lol Terran can't have 2 bunkers filled with marines or marauders AND ghosts AND ghost tec shortly after 6 minutes. If he does go report him for hacking. so u know what Terran don't have. do you also know what Protoss don't have shortly after 6 minutes? 6 minutes your WG should be wrapping up. If he has ghosts he isnt roaming around the map which should allow a proxy, keyword should. you're suggesting attacking as soon as warp gate finishes, ie like a 4gate...but bunkers straight up own 4 gate and if the terran is teching, which he is, then it's slightly silly for him to NOT have a bunker. And even then, you're saying protoss has to make a decision to 4 gate in order to blind counter fast ghosts? no. 3 gates? Is this REALLY underground now? Huk stops this shit on his stream all the damn time. umm. concusive shells destroys gateway units. if anyone is roaming around its the Terran.. If he is roaming around with a scary force of marauders guess what. He ain't making ghosts, scouting complete. what..... this is weird... can i ask ur league? and race? a scary force of marauders in your time frame of 6 minutes is... 2 marauders.
You're afraid of 2 marauders... when warpgate is done?
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Im expecting some big money to be thrown down on MC. Anyone think alicia can take this? MC hasnt been invincible as of late, but it sure is hard to put your money against him hahaha
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On May 27 2011 06:39 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 00:50 NExt wrote:On May 27 2011 00:47 Medrea wrote:
Your right, scouting the front is bad. Don't do it. Go rock, paper, scissors build and hope for the best. Theres no way. Sorry guys guess I was wrong, cannot tell what Terran is doing until they go down the ramp. Only been playing RTS since Herzog Zwei practically invented it in 1990. + Show Spoiler +
Excuse me. Are you a child? When did I say scouting the front is bad?
You say... Count units properly and you should know whats happening.
I say... I counted marines, but he has 5 strategies to choose from, tell me how to scout.
You say... Only been playing RTS sinze Herzong Zwei invented in 1990.
I'll say it again. sc2 - isn't simple. You don't scout the front and are in immediate comfort zone.
I'm watching Naniwa stream, you know what he said in chat. "Can't scout that sh*t"... after he got 1 base raven banshee tank scv marine all in'd.
♥
You mean the guy who went 26-2 at mlg and reached the finals of a TSL that featured 5 protoss and 3 terrans in the round of 8? Maybe Mc can help him, you know the guy that won GSL last season and Dreamhack. Or Inca, you know the guy who reached the GSL finals this season. You make it sound like PvT is a farce, yet Protoss players are still posting results, unless you want to tell me its time to bust out the patches because of a month and a half of results dropping?
Oh god, stop posting such shitty comments! There is a difference between pointing out how something is a volatile situation due to lack of intel and saying that something is imbalanced/needs to be patched.
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