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rofl incontrol :D the voicemaster 9000!
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On May 24 2011 02:17 Shirohige wrote:
lol, what the fuck, iNcontrol is laughing like a madman.
more of that please
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On May 24 2011 02:04 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 01:48 LaLuSh wrote:On May 23 2011 23:35 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 19:36 KvltMan wrote:On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote:On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote:On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote:
The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys.
Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1. You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is. IdrA won the series vs LaLush. I'm just referring to the first game. Idra got outmicroed and out multitasked that game; he played pretty poorly and honestly LaLush isn't amazing from what I've seen. Its really not a surprise he lost to Zenio, who's a lot better than people give him credit for. It was a build order loss, nothing more nothing less. 10pool will always lose to a properly played 14gas 13/14 pool. The reason you 10 pool in the first place is because you're fairly certain the opponent is going to hatch first. Which, if he does, will pretty much give you a free win. I had my chance to beat idra in the second game on xelnaga, when we both opened same build, but i totally misread his intentions with the 8 ling run around. Thought he'd morph banes in a corner somewhere. And in the third game he just outplayed me. From playing vs idra on ladder and in that clan war, i can say he certainly has one of the strongest ZvZ outside Korea. He's the only one whose hatch first builds i cannot regularly beat with a 14gas 13/14pool opening. Where it feels like a build order loss to open that build vs hatch first. I've been stubborn holding on to pool before hatch in ZvZ, but feeling forced to change my play up now. Also: Why am I arguing with a bronze player? Didn't see idra's games vs zenio, so can't say anything about them. What I can say is that you're full of shit. Stop exaggerating. You such an arrogant and rude punk. If you arnt insulting people you whining about game balance. I wish you the worst of luck in future tournaments. You are a discrace to the sc2 community User was temp banned for this post.
hey look an actual pro replies to the topic and you bash him? oh man ..
whats going on here
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On May 24 2011 02:10 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 01:48 LaLuSh wrote:On May 23 2011 23:35 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 19:36 KvltMan wrote:On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote:On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote:On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote:
The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys.
Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1. You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is. IdrA won the series vs LaLush. I'm just referring to the first game. Idra got outmicroed and out multitasked that game; he played pretty poorly and honestly LaLush isn't amazing from what I've seen. Its really not a surprise he lost to Zenio, who's a lot better than people give him credit for. It was a build order loss, nothing more nothing less. 10pool will always lose to a properly played 14gas 13/14 pool. The reason you 10 pool in the first place is because you're fairly certain the opponent is going to hatch first. Which, if he does, will pretty much give you a free win. I had my chance to beat idra in the second game on xelnaga, when we both opened same build, but i totally misread his intentions with the 8 ling run around. Thought he'd morph banes in a corner somewhere. And in the third game he just outplayed me. From playing vs idra on ladder and in that clan war, i can say he certainly has one of the strongest ZvZ outside Korea. He's the only one whose hatch first builds i cannot regularly beat with a 14gas 13/14pool opening. Where it feels like a build order loss to open that build vs hatch first. I've been stubborn holding on to pool before hatch in ZvZ, but feeling forced to change my play up now. Also: Why am I arguing with a bronze player? Didn't see idra's games vs zenio, so can't say anything about them. What I can say is that you're full of shit. Stop exaggerating. Wow, I can't believe you read through the thread and gave a detailed reply. However, does that mean that even SEn's hatch first is problematic (i.e exploitable)?
From a lot of games I have seen recently, hatch first builds require you to build defensive roaches.
Sometimes a player opening speed first and simple expands and makes a shitload of drones. The other player, even though they pooled first, must make roaches to account for the possibility of a zergling attack or run-by. On the other hand, the speed zergling user has plenty of time to set up a defense in case the hatch first player moves out with slow roaches.
IdrA vs Sen game 3 turned out a little bit like this, where idra hatch first but did not really get a big econ lead because he was forced to make 6-7 roaches.
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The EU stream was and is still a joke. It lags horribly as soon as a battle starts, even on 240p. No i',m not the only with this problem. I constantly talk to people from all over europe and they all have the same problem. No it's not my internet connection.
Every other Justin.tv stream works fine on higher resolutions. Even TL Attack and TLOs stream yesterday, which both had way more users than the NASL EU stream, worked perfectly. It's getting ridiculous NASL!
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On May 24 2011 02:28 Joeruinseverything wrote:
The EU stream was and is still a joke. It lags horribly as soon as a battle starts, even on 240p. No i',m not the only with this problem. I constantly talk to people from all over europe and they all have the same problem. No it's not my internet connection.
you register on tl.net for this? -.- I suggest you go directly to the NASL-folks. btw. the stream works fine for me.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2011 02:28 Joeruinseverything wrote:
The EU stream was and is still a joke. It lags horribly as soon as a battle starts, even on 240p. No i',m not the only with this problem. I constantly talk to people from all over europe and they all have the same problem. No it's not my internet connection.
Every other Justin.tv stream works fine on higher resolutions. Even TL Attack and TLOs stream yesterday, which both had way more users than the NASL EU stream, worked perfectly. It's getting ridiculous NASL!
weird, Ive never had an issue with the European stream. I doubt it has anything to do with NASL tbh.
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On May 24 2011 02:35 Fts wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2011 02:28 Joeruinseverything wrote:
The EU stream was and is still a joke. It lags horribly as soon as a battle starts, even on 240p. No i',m not the only with this problem. I constantly talk to people from all over europe and they all have the same problem. No it's not my internet connection.
Every other Justin.tv stream works fine on higher resolutions. Even TL Attack and TLOs stream yesterday, which both had way more users than the NASL EU stream, worked perfectly. It's getting ridiculous NASL! weird, Ive never had an issue with the European stream. I doubt it has anything to do with NASL tbh.
So it's a problem with JustinTv? Why is every other stream from them working without problems?
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I have sound but video freezes every 10-15 seconds... That stream is horrible.
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The stream lags horribly. +1
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I use the free quality stream, but I have no lag whatsoever just fyi ;-)
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I have no problem with the free stream at all. Been working like a charm after the first week.
These games are painfully bad. This is the worst tvt series I've seen since Butterflyeffect vs Littleboy (or something similar), where Tasteless screamed give me your mouse and keyboard I'm taking over.
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noooo. deflose for Socke 
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why did socke lose and not boxer?
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lol the stream works great. stop blamin nasl!
<3
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Nice top 10 summary of NASL moments; it would seem TotalBiscuit certainly likes his rocks and his hard places.
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Top 10 plays are nothing special really . Top 3 are the only ones worth even mentioning . I think there were better choises for top 10 in this 6 weeks of games .
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Any link to see that toplist again?
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On May 24 2011 03:16 unoriginalname wrote:
Nice top 10 summary of NASL moments; it would seem TotalBiscuit certainly likes his rocks and his hard places.
yeah it was nicely done and I think I heard that line around 3 times 
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Just saw the top 10 plays; that was awesome please do that again sometime.
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EPT
