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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
May 23 2011 08:38 GMT
#1461
On May 23 2011 17:33 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 17:21 syllogism wrote:
On May 23 2011 17:00 Quintum_ wrote:
I think both games show how week idra is in his late game zvz right now, both games he was able to get a lead and just did not know what to do with it. In game 2 that was plainly obvious, he knew he had lead but did not know how to close the game off. Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get.

It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players.

Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL

Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all.

Hahaha!

It's not 100% so he sucks! :p

Just can't impress some people lol
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
May 23 2011 08:38 GMT
#1462
Thats why its better for NA to practice on Europe or live in Europe. It is true, NA server is terrible TT
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
May 23 2011 08:54 GMT
#1463
Wow group 5 is really living up to the "Group of Death" hype.
A lot of big name players and none of them are guaranteed anything.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 08:56:45
May 23 2011 08:56 GMT
#1464
Oh man hahaaha i clearly remember idra stating 'I will win the koreans of my group for sure, its no problem' then he gets stomped 2-0 from zenio.. hillarious!!
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 23 2011 08:56 GMT
#1465
On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun.


Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome.


Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio.


That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen.

Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview.
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
May 23 2011 08:59 GMT
#1466
On May 23 2011 17:56 shaman6ix wrote:
Oh man hahaaha i clearly remember idra stating 'I will win the koreans of my group for sure, its no problem' then he gets stomped 2-0 from zenio.. hillarious!!

IdrA losing to Zenio after saying he would 2-0 him is funny, but not as funny as Tyler losing to Boxer after he said Boxer should retire or something along that line.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 09:51:34
May 23 2011 09:27 GMT
#1467
On May 23 2011 17:33 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 17:21 syllogism wrote:
On May 23 2011 17:00 Quintum_ wrote:
I think both games show how week idra is in his late game zvz right now, both games he was able to get a lead and just did not know what to do with it. In game 2 that was plainly obvious, he knew he had lead but did not know how to close the game off. Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get.

It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players.

Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL

Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all.

The post was intended to say that korean zergs haven't been impressing in ZvZ the listed players ASIDE, but I made a mistake while editing it. Even so, Nestea has so far been playing the same standard style that is used in NA/EU. I would probably revise the statement now to say no korean zerg, nestea aside, has been particularly impressive in ZvZ. The point being the ZvZ practice environment in Korea may not be that much better than it's over here.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
May 23 2011 09:28 GMT
#1468
On May 23 2011 17:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote:
On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun.


Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome.


Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio.


That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen.

Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview.

Better than huk's?
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 10:27:21
May 23 2011 10:26 GMT
#1469
On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote:
The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys.



Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea


I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average"


The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1.


You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is.
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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 10:36:54
May 23 2011 10:36 GMT
#1470
On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote:
The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys.



Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea


I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average"


The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1.


You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is.

IdrA won the series vs LaLush.
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MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
May 23 2011 11:03 GMT
#1471
omg im so happy idra lost to zenio...its the grudgematch....and the bad manenred always deserve to lose! zenio is anyway the better zerg , at least in my oppinion...while idra was whining the last XX months...zenio just kept slaying nerds no matter what race they played
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Piggiez
Profile Joined March 2011
393 Posts
May 23 2011 11:07 GMT
#1472
why is IdrA being discussed in this thread.....?
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 23 2011 11:11 GMT
#1473
On May 23 2011 17:59 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 17:56 shaman6ix wrote:
Oh man hahaaha i clearly remember idra stating 'I will win the koreans of my group for sure, its no problem' then he gets stomped 2-0 from zenio.. hillarious!!

IdrA losing to Zenio after saying he would 2-0 him is funny, but not as funny as Tyler losing to Boxer after he said Boxer should retire or something along that line.

Yea that was hilarious, i remember him saying boxer should retire on SOTG then he got absolutely worked by boxer. I love tyler but going by his logic, maybe he should retire
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Sangyerians
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia248 Posts
May 23 2011 11:11 GMT
#1474
On May 23 2011 18:28 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 17:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote:
On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote:
On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun.


Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome.


Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio.


That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen.

Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview.

Better than huk's?

But HuK's Korean is probably as good as Zenio's English.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 23 2011 11:12 GMT
#1475
On May 23 2011 20:07 Piggiez wrote:
why is IdrA being discussed in this thread.....?

Because he played today against zenio and it was the last game of the night.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 14:04:16
May 23 2011 14:01 GMT
#1476
On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote:
The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys.



Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea


I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average"


The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1.


You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is.


You're doing exactly the same thing tho.

There's obvious difficulties in comparing both scenes, due to the simple fact that they don't play on even terms very often, not only in terms of lag but also in terms of preparation and representation of both scenes. There are always examples that support either argument.

However, I don't think it is an outlandish statement to say that korean play at this point in time appears more polished, more complete if you will. Just as a general impression from the matchups between top koreans and those between top NA/EU, I think korean play is more punishing and that they manage to capitalize on advantages more.

I for one, can't wait to see how MMA, Bomber and Losira do at MLG.
Jizzed
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark21 Posts
May 23 2011 14:06 GMT
#1477
Someone has link to IdrA vs Zenio on justintv?

I have payed the NASL pass.
Jizzed
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark21 Posts
May 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#1478
Nevermind, found it :-)

http://www.justin.tv/naslseasonone/b/286474273 part 2&3
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
May 23 2011 14:14 GMT
#1479
On May 23 2011 13:01 I)etox wrote:
Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting.

why? he already beat him in gsl
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iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 14:29:53
May 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#1480
On May 23 2011 17:00 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 13:46 iokke wrote:
On May 23 2011 12:31 Hazu~ wrote:
On May 23 2011 12:30 Dexington wrote:
Idra's ZvZ is awful it seems


IdrA himself said he wasn't so sure about his ZvZ since there's pretty much no good zerg player on NA server to play against.


How is it that every time Idra loses there is always an excuse to be found? Balance, race, wrong type of practice. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing player and would crush me with both his hands tied behind his back. But this seems very disrespectful to players that won vs him, give them some credit plz? I mean really, is it not possible that someone would beat Idra simply because they are better at the game atm?

On a positive note, first time watching ZvZ and I really enjoyed it, as well as NASL in general, thanks!



Um, how does saying that there are no high caliber players on the NA server disrespectful towards Sen or Zenio? If anything, he's saying that Sen and Zenio are so much better than North American Zergs that it's difficult for him to prepare against them.

It's actually a compliment and shows just how much IdrA respects Korean Zergs, silly-pants.




Because some of the posts I read have an undertone that feels like ppl are saying that Idra would walk all other Sen or Zenio if he had the same practice partners. But I'm probably reading too much between the lines...

I guess you are right though, having better practice partners makes a big difference and no disrespect was implied by Idra himself. But like the other poster said, he should probably practice on EU then if Korea is too laggy. Or watch more Korean replays? I know its not the same as actual practice, but with his understanding of the game he should be able to tell exactly what goes on in players' minds and how metagame changes.
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