On May 23 2011 17:33 Beyonder wrote:
Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all.
Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all.
Hahaha!
It's not 100% so he sucks! :p
Just can't impress some people lol
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							SenorChang
							
							
						 
						Australia4730 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 08:38 GMT 
						 #1461 On May 23 2011 17:33 Beyonder wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 17:21 syllogism wrote: On May 23 2011 17:00 Quintum_ wrote: I think both games show how week idra is in his late game zvz right now, both games he was able to get a lead and just did not know what to do with it. In game 2 that was plainly obvious, he knew he had lead but did not know how to close the game off. Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get. It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players. Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all. Hahaha! It's not 100% so he sucks! :p Just can't impress some people lol | ||
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						Netherlands15103 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 08:38 GMT 
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							don_kyuhote
							
							
						 
						3006 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 08:54 GMT 
						 #1463 A lot of big name players and none of them are guaranteed anything. | ||
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							shaman6ix
							
							
						 
						Greece212 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 08:56 GMT 
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							Liquid`Jinro
							
							
						 
						Sweden33719 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 08:56 GMT 
						 #1465 On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote: On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote: On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote: I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun. Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome. Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio. That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen. Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview. | ||
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							don_kyuhote
							
							
						 
						3006 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 08:59 GMT 
						 #1466 On May 23 2011 17:56 shaman6ix wrote: Oh man hahaaha i clearly remember idra stating 'I will win the koreans of my group for sure, its no problem' then he gets stomped 2-0 from zenio.. hillarious!! IdrA losing to Zenio after saying he would 2-0 him is funny, but not as funny as Tyler losing to Boxer after he said Boxer should retire or something along that line. | ||
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							syllogism
							
							
						 
						Finland5948 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 09:27 GMT 
						 #1467 On May 23 2011 17:33 Beyonder wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 17:21 syllogism wrote: On May 23 2011 17:00 Quintum_ wrote: I think both games show how week idra is in his late game zvz right now, both games he was able to get a lead and just did not know what to do with it. In game 2 that was plainly obvious, he knew he had lead but did not know how to close the game off. Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get. It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players. Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all. The post was intended to say that korean zergs haven't been impressing in ZvZ the listed players ASIDE, but I made a mistake while editing it. Even so, Nestea has so far been playing the same standard style that is used in NA/EU. I would probably revise the statement now to say no korean zerg, nestea aside, has been particularly impressive in ZvZ. The point being the ZvZ practice environment in Korea may not be that much better than it's over here. | ||
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							r33k
							
							
						 
						Italy3402 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 09:28 GMT 
						 #1468 On May 23 2011 17:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote: On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote: On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote: On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote: I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun. Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome. Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio. That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen. Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview. Better than huk's? | ||
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							TheSubtleArt
							
							
						 
						Canada2527 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 10:26 GMT 
						 #1469 On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote: On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote: On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote: The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys. Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1. You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is. | ||
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							KvltMan
							
							
						 
						Sweden1609 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 10:36 GMT 
						 #1470 On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote: On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote: On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote: On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote: The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys. Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1. You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is. IdrA won the series vs LaLush. | ||
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							MotherOfRunes
							
							
						 
						Germany2862 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 11:03 GMT 
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							Piggiez
							
							
						 
						393 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 11:07 GMT 
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						Canada1975 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 11:11 GMT 
						 #1473 On May 23 2011 17:59 don_kyuhote wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 17:56 shaman6ix wrote: Oh man hahaaha i clearly remember idra stating 'I will win the koreans of my group for sure, its no problem' then he gets stomped 2-0 from zenio.. hillarious!! IdrA losing to Zenio after saying he would 2-0 him is funny, but not as funny as Tyler losing to Boxer after he said Boxer should retire or something along that line. Yea that was hilarious, i remember him saying boxer should retire on SOTG then he got absolutely worked by boxer. I love tyler but going by his logic, maybe he should retire  | ||
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							Sangyerians
							
							
						 
						Australia248 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 11:11 GMT 
						 #1474 On May 23 2011 18:28 r33k wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 17:56 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On May 23 2011 15:31 Sein wrote: On May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote: On May 23 2011 14:18 red4ce wrote: On May 23 2011 14:06 Horse...falcon wrote: I'm disappointed that NASL couldn't do an interview with Zenio after that match. Lag or not it would've been awesome. They should've also requested a backhand slap for fun. Well considering Zenio doesn't speak English...actually nvm, an interview would have been awesome. Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio. That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen. Zenio's english is easily good enough to do a decent victory interview. Better than huk's? But HuK's Korean is probably as good as Zenio's English. | ||
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							cheesemaster
							
							
						 
						Canada1975 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 11:12 GMT 
						 #1475 On May 23 2011 20:07 Piggiez wrote: why is IdrA being discussed in this thread.....? Because he played today against zenio and it was the last game of the night. | ||
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							Derez
							
							
						 
						Netherlands6068 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 14:01 GMT 
						 #1476 On May 23 2011 19:26 TheSubtleArt wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote: On May 23 2011 13:39 j3i wrote: On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote: On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote: The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys. Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" The foreigner scene has, is ,and possibly always will be average compared to the korean scene. It's not exactly rocket science. About time people start realizing that the gap is going to widen with time, not shrink. It was exactly the same way with sc1. You're basing this off 1 series? Idra's ZvZ hasn't looked good at all recently. Hell, he got outplayed by Lalush and there was no build order disadvantage you could pign that one on. Knee jerk statements like this are kinda silly. MC is like 2-3 in the NASL, Select just curbstomped Ace 2-0, Dimaga has beaten MVP and Nestea ina a latency free setting, Jinro and Idra have made Round of 8 in the GSL, etc. Besides, Zenio is a really good Zerg and a consistent Code S player. It's definitely not like it was in Sc1, I highly doubt you actually watched Sc1 because if you did you would realize how uh...dumb....what you're saying is. You're doing exactly the same thing tho. There's obvious difficulties in comparing both scenes, due to the simple fact that they don't play on even terms very often, not only in terms of lag but also in terms of preparation and representation of both scenes. There are always examples that support either argument. However, I don't think it is an outlandish statement to say that korean play at this point in time appears more polished, more complete if you will. Just as a general impression from the matchups between top koreans and those between top NA/EU, I think korean play is more punishing and that they manage to capitalize on advantages more. I for one, can't wait to see how MMA, Bomber and Losira do at MLG. | ||
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							Jizzed
							
							
						 
						Denmark21 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 14:06 GMT 
						 #1477 I have payed the NASL pass. | ||
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						Denmark21 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 14:08 GMT 
						 #1478 http://www.justin.tv/naslseasonone/b/286474273 part 2&3 | ||
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						Poland6595 Posts
						 
												May 23 2011 14:14 GMT 
						 #1479 On May 23 2011 13:01 I)etox wrote: Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting. why? he already beat him in gsl  | ||
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							iokke
							
							
						 
						United States1179 Posts
						 
													
												May 23 2011 14:20 GMT 
						 #1480 On May 23 2011 17:00 Defacer wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2011 13:46 iokke wrote: On May 23 2011 12:31 Hazu~ wrote: On May 23 2011 12:30 Dexington wrote: Idra's ZvZ is awful it seems IdrA himself said he wasn't so sure about his ZvZ since there's pretty much no good zerg player on NA server to play against. How is it that every time Idra loses there is always an excuse to be found? Balance, race, wrong type of practice. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing player and would crush me with both his hands tied behind his back. But this seems very disrespectful to players that won vs him, give them some credit plz? I mean really, is it not possible that someone would beat Idra simply because they are better at the game atm? On a positive note, first time watching ZvZ and I really enjoyed it, as well as NASL in general, thanks! Um, how does saying that there are no high caliber players on the NA server disrespectful towards Sen or Zenio? If anything, he's saying that Sen and Zenio are so much better than North American Zergs that it's difficult for him to prepare against them. It's actually a compliment and shows just how much IdrA respects Korean Zergs, silly-pants. Because some of the posts I read have an undertone that feels like ppl are saying that Idra would walk all other Sen or Zenio if he had the same practice partners. But I'm probably reading too much between the lines... I guess you are right though, having better practice partners makes a big difference and no disrespect was implied by Idra himself. But like the other poster said, he should probably practice on EU then if Korea is too laggy. Or watch more Korean replays? I know its not the same as actual practice, but with his understanding of the game he should be able to tell exactly what goes on in players' minds and how metagame changes. | ||
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