EPTOn May 23 2011 15:03 Horse...falcon wrote:
Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio.
Even better they could've had Huk "translate" for Zenio.
That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen.
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
That would've been the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Too bad it didn't happen. | ||
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FindMeInKenya
United States797 Posts
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Legend`
Canada381 Posts
Superb infestor use by zenio though, those 3 extra infestors + the extra energy from early infestors really turned the tide. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
I guess I can kind of guess how it happened though. Zenio knows Idra too well and guessed that he would play passively and try to extend his advantage instead of just massing Roaches and killing him. So although against most players playing standard would mean instant death in that situation, Zenio played standardly from behind and was given so much time by Idra that he caught up in army size and then outplayed him in a standard game...am I close? =/ | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
And Zenio! Walks over Idra! !!! | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 23 2011 15:38 FuRong wrote: Wtf, how did Zenio manage to win game 2? I left when Idra was up like 30 food and in a dominant position. I guess I can kind of guess how it happened though. Zenio knows Idra too well and guessed that he would play passively and try to extend his advantage instead of just massing Roaches and killing him. So although against most players playing standard would mean instant death in that situation, Zenio played standardly from behind and was given so much time by Idra that he caught up in army size and then outplayed him in a standard game...am I close? =/ Hm well you're right about IdrA, no surprise there. I wouldn't say Zenio played normal though, he did 1 base infestor then expanded pretty much on just infestors + spines. He made his roach warren like at the same time as his 4th? It was pretty unusual, worked a treat though obv. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:46 iokke wrote: How is it that every time Idra loses there is always an excuse to be found? Balance, race, wrong type of practice. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing player and would crush me with both his hands tied behind his back. But this seems very disrespectful to players that won vs him, give them some credit plz? I mean really, is it not possible that someone would beat Idra simply because they are better at the game atm? On a positive note, first time watching ZvZ and I really enjoyed it, as well as NASL in general, thanks! Um, how does saying that there are no high caliber players on the NA server disrespectful towards Sen or Zenio? If anything, he's saying that Sen and Zenio are so much better than North American Zergs that it's difficult for him to prepare against them. It's actually a compliment and shows just how much IdrA respects Korean Zergs, silly-pants. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 23 2011 15:35 FindMeInKenya wrote: WTF happened to Tyler??? I knew Sen probably would've taken it, but the way Tyler lost it was just disgusting. Tyler tried some broodwar builds, it did not work ^^ | ||
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BjC
England181 Posts
Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get. People keep saying things like this, is the NA server really that bad? Cant he play on europe to practice instead? As people seem to say it is alot better and the lag isnt as bad as practicing in korea. Europe had top 4 positions in TSL also.... says something about the strength in europe server at the moment.It does get tiring hearing idra excuses when there are many many good players outside korea to practice with. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 23 2011 16:34 Talin wrote: Ha, well played Zenio! I didn't expect that result, especially in ZvZ on NA server. No disrespect, but if you followed the GSL from the beginning, Zenio's ZvZ has always been top notch. It's probably his best match-up. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 23 2011 17:10 BjC wrote: People keep saying things like this, is the NA server really that bad? Just watch him stream. He could win his games without using hotkeys most of the time. Cant he play on europe to practice instead? Laggier and it's not a lot better. As people seem to say it is alot better and the lag isnt as bad as practicing in korea. Europe had top 4 positions in TSL also.... says something about the strength in europe server at the moment.It does get tiring hearing idra excuses when there are many many good players outside korea to practice with. Sure NA/KR have a few very good players. They don't all ladder at the same time though (when they even do ladder). Most of the time someone like IdrA will be playing random GM people or even just high masters. It is this level that Korea is so far ahead of anywhere else on. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 23 2011 17:00 Quintum_ wrote: I think both games show how week idra is in his late game zvz right now, both games he was able to get a lead and just did not know what to do with it. In game 2 that was plainly obvious, he knew he had lead but did not know how to close the game off. Being in NA i think is hurting him, not as much good practice for him to get. It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players. Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 23 2011 17:10 BjC wrote: People keep saying things like this, is the NA server really that bad? Cant he play on europe to practice instead? As people seem to say it is alot better and the lag isnt as bad as practicing in korea. Europe had top 4 positions in TSL also.... says something about the strength in europe server at the moment.It does get tiring hearing idra excuses when there are many many good players outside korea to practice with. For a long time people have also been saying there aren't many good zergs on Europe. Sure you have a few good ones nowadays like Morrow, Ret, Nerchio and Darkforce but if you are using ladder för practise how many games to you get matched up with the very best? When it compes to practising on ladder it has more to do with quantity of good players than quality at the very top. Even if we assume that the top EU zergs is so much better than NA ones, the amount of them is no way near the amount of good zergs in Korea. | ||
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Vladoks
Germany136 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 23 2011 17:21 syllogism wrote: It's possible, but two games aren't really evidence of much. It's quite possible what Zenio did is in fact completely unsafe and he just decided to gamble and Koreans don't really know how lategame ZvZ works either. This kind of speculation is getting silly, especially when it only appears to apply to certain players. Korean zergs, nestea/losira/drg and maybe july and zenio to a lesser degree, haven't really been impressing enough in this MU to say they are even much ahead of top foreigner zergs. A lot of the GSL ZvZs have been a joke, including ones with players like July playing. Indeed, I can only recall a few impressive ZvZs in all of GSL Yeah, damn that 92% winrate by Nestea. Not impressive at all. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
Not to take away from Zenio play though, he found week spots in idra's play and capitalized on it | ||
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