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oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote: those 15 drones are a single drone pump, and zenio knew he was safe for a long time because spines and infestors and queens are impossible to break with just roaches. He was 15 drones behind when he was on one base teching up infestors...he was miles behind. Zenio understands ZvZ more, which is a side effect of playing in korea. He is just better at the MU when he can go into mid-game Certainly looks like it. His hydra/roach composition just looked much better, the infestor usage, not floating tons of resources (sinking it in very useful spines) etc. | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
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hoor3x
United States100 Posts
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:15 hoor3x wrote: did boxer not play tonight? Nope, Socke had no time to reschedule so Boxer got the 2-0 walk over. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:15 ilmman wrote: even if idra was in the lead.. koreans always have the over practicing to give them the edge in matches anyway. Remember he changed team to EG so he can practice at his own pace because korean teams are too vigorous at training. ...wow. So much wrong with this post that I can't even bother dissecting it. Now is a good time for me to log off TL. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:14 akalarry wrote: uh i dono why you quoted me but idra had the clear advantage after holding off the zergling rush. he had a couple more drones but more importantly 300 more minerals like 4 minutes into the game. are you trying to tell me that zenio just played better despite idra's advantage? because that would be quite the captain obvious No, I am saying "advantage" doesn't mean a lot in ZvZ. In PvP, having 2 more stalkers is a big advantage in the early game, in ZvZ, being 20 supply ahead means nothing unless you can out-right kill your opponent. IdrA did not attack into zenios spine/infestor defense before roaches came out, and thus his "advantage" was meaningless. It's super easy to catch up if you just pump drones while your opponent makes units to try and kill you. Defenders advantage in ZvZ is insane compared to the other matchups. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:09 jj33 wrote: you are so funny man. you clearly said idra accomplished the most out of all the zergs, then when I bring up facts you edit your post and try and say you never said that. too funny he said that idra had accomplished more than most zergs, not that he'd accomplished the most out of all zergs. get your facts straight | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On May 23 2011 12:42 Megaliskuu wrote: When has Idra ever predicted he would lose a series? He's confident, because he is super fucking good, looks like its time to close the sc2 forums again, always the same nonsense. Idra stated that Sen was his biggest threat prior to the match, that's pretty close to saying he predicted that he would lose to Sen. As matter of fact Sen > Idra Zenio > Idra Do your homework before you poop nonsense at other people. | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:06 akalarry wrote: i think the advantage was when his worker count was 40-25 and also when he had a 50 supply lead But worker advantage, as witnessed, means very little without turning it into a tech advantage. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:18 MonsieurGrimm wrote: he said that idra had accomplished more than most zergs, not that he'd accomplished the most out of all zergs. get your facts straight He said it pretty obviously too :-/ Some people get blinded by IdrA hate :O In relation to the games, ZvZ is a big weakness for IdrA because there really aren't any other top North American Zergs. The only other top foreigner Zergs that come to mind are Ret, Sen, MorroW and Dimaga, all European (except for Sen who's from Taiwan I believe). His only practice partner is Machine who has some holes in his play for sure. | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:11 Spicy Pepper wrote: As for idra losing to Zenio, I don't know how idra defends early, I thought he was dead for sure, then the same for Zenio  . Zenio is a solid CodeS player, and he pulled a rabbit out of the hat to win game 2. When you have players at this level, that happens sometimes to everyone. I'm not really sure who's better between the two, but I'd like to see more games between them. It's sort of how I feel about Dimaga vs Nestea, in that I'm not convinced that Dimaga is better than Nestea. I think it's clear that idra is the best American zerg though.Also, Sen 2-0'd idra and Zenio. That's bossmode. Nestea is better than Sen, better than Zenio, better than Idra. He beat them before, not just opinion, check record. Sen defeated Idra 2-1, but Idra did a cheese with spine to take his only game. | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:23 Ruscour wrote: In relation to the games, ZvZ is a big weakness for IdrA because there really aren't any other top North American Zergs. The only other top foreigner Zergs that come to mind are Ret, Sen, MorroW and Dimaga, all European (except for Sen who's from Taiwan I believe). His only practice partner is Machine who has some holes in his play for sure. If Idra has better manner, Ret would be willing to practice ZvZ. Ret would rather spend more time with that megumixbear female terran master than with Idra. Sen actually plays on NA server, but he screws Idra over by using Protoss, kinda funny. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:17 0neder wrote: The SC2 foreigner scene is saddening. In BW, we were so far behind that we couldn't catch up. Now in SC2, tons of foreigners have the chance to be on the same level, but they abandon it because they don't want to sacrifice what it takes (more practice, moving to Korea, etc.) - I bet a lot of foreigners will have regrets in a few years, and even more fans will have regrets that the foreigner players decided not to try to be the best in exchange for the security of some chump change small prize pot online tourneys. Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea | ||
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
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coldasice
Australia208 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:29 twndomn wrote: If Idra has better manner, Ret would be willing to practice ZvZ. Ret would rather spend more time with that megumixbear female terran master than with Idra. Sen actually plays on NA server, but he screws Idra over by using Protoss, kinda funny. you just made an absolutely clueless statement when Ret and Idra were both in Korea, Idra & Ret were most definitely practice partners and valued each others input. they did not only practice ZvZ with each other but exchanged ideas on the other racial matchups such as what was the best build order against 2 rax and how to properly deal with it. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
In both games his plan was clear. get lots of infestors. While NA zergs wants to mass roaches then add 2 or 3 infestors if they can't end the game before, but they lose them due to bad control anyway and end up massing more roaches. Zenio just seems to be ahead in his ZvZ builds, perhaps he knows that NA zergs just mass roaches and uses a build only against that. | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:30 TheSubtleArt wrote: Foreign sc2 actually offers way more money for the average player than korea I think his point is that foreigners are too content with being, as you said, "average" | ||
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