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On May 23 2011 12:57 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:56 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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god forbid a player is confident
you people find any reason you can to shit on him no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. keyword defend. when i see posts that are clearly anti korea, yea I will defend them. especially from guys like catz. Like all the hate MC got cuz he beat white-ra etc. nice way of putting words into my mouth saying foreigners are nothing, as I never said that. No one here is anti Korea, you're just pulling things out of nowhere to give yourself a reason to argue.
Not in this thread, but in other threads there were clearly anti korean bias.
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On May 23 2011 12:59 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:57 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:56 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:
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no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. keyword defend. when i see posts that are clearly anti korea, yea I will defend them. especially from guys like catz. Like all the hate MC got cuz he beat white-ra etc. nice way of putting words into my mouth saying foreigners are nothing, as I never said that. No one here is anti Korea, you're just pulling things out of nowhere to give yourself a reason to argue. Not in this thread, but in other threads there were clearly anti korean bias.
So go wave your flag in those threads.
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On May 23 2011 12:44 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:37 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:34 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:31 Hazu~ wrote:On May 23 2011 12:30 Dexington wrote:
Idra's ZvZ is awful it seems IdrA himself said he wasn't so sure about his ZvZ since there's pretty much no good zerg player on NA server to play against. thing is Idra said he'd 2-0 zenio you mean that someone said they thought they'd win.... ...and then they were wrong? :O that never happens If idra said he's awful in zvz, yet he says he would 2-0 zenio. it's called eating your own words. idra has a history of being extremely cocky etc, take it in context. seems like you're a bitter idra fan. god forbid a player is confident you people find any reason you can to shit on him I consider myself somewhat of an idra "fanboy", but the way he put Zenio and Boxer down by harshly statement "I'm going to easily 2-0 both the koreans" was a bit laughable, considering how good he knows Zenio and Boxer can be in games. Idra bit off a bit more than he could chew this time.
I don't know what context Idra made these remarks, but you should keep in mind that he's said repeatedly that the latency from Korea to NA does make a difference, and that the Koreans are at a disadvantage when they have to play cross server. So the remark may not necessarily have been a dig at Zenio and Boxer, but just a reflection of the fact that he's playing with an advantage now that he's back in the US.
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On May 23 2011 13:00 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:59 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:57 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:56 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:
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But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. keyword defend. when i see posts that are clearly anti korea, yea I will defend them. especially from guys like catz. Like all the hate MC got cuz he beat white-ra etc. nice way of putting words into my mouth saying foreigners are nothing, as I never said that. No one here is anti Korea, you're just pulling things out of nowhere to give yourself a reason to argue. Not in this thread, but in other threads there were clearly anti korean bias. So go wave your flag in those threads. I didn't bring it up. Some other poster did, learn to read.
So go wave your flag in those threads.
I didn't bring it up.
Some other poster did, learn to read.
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Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting.
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oops not sure what happened there.
I never brought that up, some other poster brought it up mycl.
you shouldn't assume that i brought it up when I didn't
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On May 23 2011 12:53 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:37 jj33 wrote:
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If idra said he's awful in zvz, yet he says he would 2-0 zenio. it's called eating your own words.
idra has a history of being extremely cocky etc, take it in context. seems like you're a bitter idra fan.
god forbid a player is confident you people find any reason you can to shit on him no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. thats amazing, seeing as he only has 20 of them.
That's why it's easy to disect his post history 
People are overblowing the "advantage" IdrA had. Two more drones but no queens, it's hardly too much of an advantage. Plus the fact that to me it seemed like IdrA doesn't get a lot of practice of ZvZ at this level (in his stream, they all pretty much end up with his first roach push), it wasn't looking too well for him. Happened the same thing against Sen last week, his win came from an early pool+spine crawler rush.
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On May 23 2011 13:01 I)etox wrote:
Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting.
Not really, anyone who knows anything about Zenio knows that his ZvZ is incredibly good.
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Does boxer receive points for his W.O? And does socke lose points?
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On May 23 2011 13:01 I)etox wrote:
Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting.
You seem surprised? Zenio did beat idra in GSL 
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On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:37 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:34 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:31 Hazu~ wrote:On May 23 2011 12:30 Dexington wrote:
Idra's ZvZ is awful it seems IdrA himself said he wasn't so sure about his ZvZ since there's pretty much no good zerg player on NA server to play against. thing is Idra said he'd 2-0 zenio you mean that someone said they thought they'd win.... ...and then they were wrong? :O that never happens If idra said he's awful in zvz, yet he says he would 2-0 zenio. it's called eating your own words. idra has a history of being extremely cocky etc, take it in context. seems like you're a bitter idra fan. god forbid a player is confident you people find any reason you can to shit on him no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won 2 major tourneys? ok then.
ahhaha serpico.
nice try, you said in your original post, idra has accomplished the most, after I bring up Nestea, you edit your post and try and say you never said that.
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On May 23 2011 13:02 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:53 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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god forbid a player is confident
you people find any reason you can to shit on him no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. thats amazing, seeing as he only has 20 of them. That's why it's easy to disect his post history People are overblowing the "advantage" IdrA had. Two more drones but no queens, it's hardly too much of an advantage. Plus the fact that to me it seemed like IdrA doesn't get a lot of practice of ZvZ at this level (in his stream, they all pretty much end up with his first roach push), it wasn't looking too well for him. Happened the same thing against Sen last week, his win came from an early pool+spine crawler rush.
i think the advantage was when his worker count was 40-25 and also when he had a 50 supply lead
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On May 23 2011 13:03 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 13:01 I)etox wrote:
Woah Zenio beating out IdrA? This is interesting. Not really, anyone who knows anything about Zenio knows that his ZvZ is incredibly good.
Zenio did lose in a rather unspectacular fashion against Sen 0-2, so I can understand why IdrA thought Zenio would be easier, especially since he was going to be playing on NA. But he seems to have underestimated Zenio's drive to beat him.
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On May 23 2011 12:54 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:53 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:37 jj33 wrote:
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If idra said he's awful in zvz, yet he says he would 2-0 zenio. it's called eating your own words.
idra has a history of being extremely cocky etc, take it in context. seems like you're a bitter idra fan.
god forbid a player is confident you people find any reason you can to shit on him no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. uhhh, what are you even talking about? You're trying to argue things I'm not bringing up, idra is one of the best zergs in the world and you can't refute that. I've never said he was the best, but he's accomplished more than most others besides nestea. If you compare every zerg to the best player of that race then you'll never be satisfied. I never said idra isn't one of the best zergs. He is I agree. and you said he has accomplished the most in your post, I said no Nestea did. and you seem to agree. No, I haven't. You need to actually read posts before putting your foot in your mouth. Go back and try it before you get uppity.
you are so funny man.
you clearly said idra accomplished the most out of all the zergs, then when I bring up facts you edit your post and try and say you never said that.
too funny
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On May 23 2011 13:06 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 13:02 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:53 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:
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no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. thats amazing, seeing as he only has 20 of them. That's why it's easy to disect his post history People are overblowing the "advantage" IdrA had. Two more drones but no queens, it's hardly too much of an advantage. Plus the fact that to me it seemed like IdrA doesn't get a lot of practice of ZvZ at this level (in his stream, they all pretty much end up with his first roach push), it wasn't looking too well for him. Happened the same thing against Sen last week, his win came from an early pool+spine crawler rush. i think the advantage was when his worker count was 40-25 and also when he had a 50 supply lead
Zenio played turtle on 3 base with spines and infestors.
those 15 drones are a single drone pump, and zenio knew he was safe for a long time because spines and infestors and queens are impossible to break with just roaches.
IdrA tried to play a macro game but used shitty roaches instead of tech units like infestors and hive tech. his 40 supply lead is meaningless when 6 fungals kill that many roaches.
Zenio understands ZvZ more, which is a side effect of playing in korea. He is just better at the MU when he can go into mid-game
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I don't get how anyone can be anti-Korean, except maybe the racists. There's so many different players with different styles/skills, so how can you just be anti-all of them?
As for idra losing to Zenio, I don't know how idra defends early, I thought he was dead for sure, then the same for Zenio . Zenio is a solid CodeS player, and he pulled a rabbit out of the hat to win game 2. When you have players at this level, that happens sometimes to everyone. I'm not really sure who's better between the two, but I'd like to see more games between them. It's sort of how I feel about Dimaga vs Nestea, in that I'm not convinced that Dimaga is better than Nestea. I think it's clear that idra is the best American zerg though.
Also, Sen 2-0'd idra and Zenio. That's bossmode.
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Also, pretty tight race now for the #2 spot. Sen seems like he's definitely going to get one of the spots.
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On May 23 2011 13:11 Spicy Pepper wrote:I don't get how anyone can be anti-Korean, except maybe the racists. There's so many different players with different styles/skills, so how can you just be anti-all of them? As for idra losing to Zenio, I don't know how idra defends early, I thought he was dead for sure, then the same for Zenio . Zenio is a solid CodeS player, and he pulled a rabbit out of the hat to win game 2. When you have players at this level, that happens sometimes to everyone. I'm not really sure who's better between the two, but I'd like to see more games between them. It's sort of how I feel about Dimaga vs Nestea, in that I'm not convinced that Dimaga is better than Nestea. I think it's clear that idra is the best American zerg though.Also, Sen 2-0'd idra and Zenio. That's bossmode.
correction, Idra is the best american player period. Nobody comes close to him.
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On May 23 2011 12:59 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 12:57 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:56 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 jj33 wrote:
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no you're a bitter idra fan. I'm not hating on idra, just pointing it out. I actually like idra since I'm a zerg and I like his style. But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. keyword defend. when i see posts that are clearly anti korea, yea I will defend them. especially from guys like catz. Like all the hate MC got cuz he beat white-ra etc. nice way of putting words into my mouth saying foreigners are nothing, as I never said that. No one here is anti Korea, you're just pulling things out of nowhere to give yourself a reason to argue. Not in this thread, but in other threads there were clearly anti korean bias.
You'd understand if u watched BW
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On May 23 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 13:06 akalarry wrote:On May 23 2011 13:02 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:53 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On May 23 2011 12:51 garlicface wrote:On May 23 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:On May 23 2011 12:49 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:48 Serpico wrote:On May 23 2011 12:46 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2011 12:42 Serpico wrote:
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But yet you're still trying to call him out....right. Yea I like idra's style. but his mouth can't back up his results. not hard to understand. besides the fact he's won more major tourneys than almost every zerg out there? um no? he was a backup nothing in bw, comes to sc2 wins what? 1 mlg and the IPL. the IPL honestly was a joke. the competition was just him / select and kiwikaki. nice try. nestea just won GSL, sorry no comparison. Yep, definitely a hater. He didn't say idra was better than NesTea. Just that he is one of the VERY FEW ZERGs to have ANY big tourney wins. jj33 has a posting history of defending Korean players to the death. Foreigners are nothing compared to them. thats amazing, seeing as he only has 20 of them. That's why it's easy to disect his post history People are overblowing the "advantage" IdrA had. Two more drones but no queens, it's hardly too much of an advantage. Plus the fact that to me it seemed like IdrA doesn't get a lot of practice of ZvZ at this level (in his stream, they all pretty much end up with his first roach push), it wasn't looking too well for him. Happened the same thing against Sen last week, his win came from an early pool+spine crawler rush. i think the advantage was when his worker count was 40-25 and also when he had a 50 supply lead Zenio played turtle on 3 base with spines and infestors. those 15 drones are a single drone pump, and zenio knew he was safe for a long time because spines and infestors and queens are impossible to break with just roaches. IdrA tried to play a macro game but used shitty roaches instead of tech units like infestors and hive tech. his 40 supply lead is meaningless when 6 fungals kill that many roaches. Zenio understands ZvZ more, which is a side effect of playing in korea. He is just better at the MU when he can go into mid-game
uh i dono why you quoted me but idra had the clear advantage after holding off the zergling rush. he had a couple more drones but more importantly 300 more minerals like 4 minutes into the game. are you trying to tell me that zenio just played better despite idra's advantage? because that would be quite the captain obvious
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