• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:55
CET 21:55
KST 05:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)9Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker7PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)12Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Recent recommended BW games [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2223 users

GSL + GSTL format changes. - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
529 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 25 26 27 Next All
Tenz
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia106 Posts
May 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#61
THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME.

A PROPER TEAM LEAGUE FINALLY!!!

Now all we need is TL to give us the ability to show our favorite team in the signatures like with the BW teams
JunkkaGom
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)855 Posts
May 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#62
On May 19 2011 17:44 Badboyrune wrote:
I'm not too fond of them slotting people into Code S based on results in other tournaments. I understand why they're doing it, but it seems a bit unfair to all people trying to get into code S via code A.

The team league is awesome news though, been waiting for this for so long! Going to be absolutely awesome to have team games on a regular basis!

it's not unfair cuz even if korean wins mlg he still gets spot in code s.
Workload overwhelming. It is a good day to work
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#63
On May 19 2011 17:51 vectorix108 wrote:
Yay! so this is like proleague basically. Pretty awesome stuff.

Not sure if they'll play the regular proleague format (winner doesn't stay) or winner league format though. Personally would like a standard proleague format so we get to see more players for the regular season at least. Then maybe a winners league for the playoffs
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#64
On May 19 2011 17:48 AntiSanityMan wrote:
Very interesting. They're making space for GSL and moving a group play system for up and down. This seems like it'll limit the volatility of Code S by limiting the amount of people from code S playing in the up and down, while not actually changing the possible code S turnover rate. Group play also seems to be aiming to be a fairer way to determine who advances, with no more "weakest players picked by code A champions and sneaking back into code S" shenanigans happening.

The group play seems like it'll give chances for people like IMMVP to stay in code S by doing some code A stomping instead of losing code S status so easily if they have 2 off days.

Something that's not clear: "15 players will play in 5 player group with top two players in the group advancing to code S." => That means only 6 players (3 groups x 2 players each) get into code S. Even adding MLG champion to that it only means 7 players get into code S. A translation mistake or my math is bad?

The GSTL seems like they're trying to make it so that all teams, no matter how big or small, get a chance to play and maybe upset the top dogs. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Liquid in the top 10 with the current team qualification system? But it seems more like the 10 teams will be chosen through invitation only, with Liquid being excluded since they don't have enough players. They're really trying to avoid another IM situation.

All in all, some interesting changes to shake up the system, patching up holes here and there. I can even see a slight change that might make it so that they could insert another code S invite in the future by limiting the Up and Down group play by one more spot. Maybe NASL can start negotiating, as they seem to be the only other regularly happening league.


I actually think with the current point system, TL would be the 10th team. Ho Seo and Fox both lost their Code S players. As Huk stayed in Code S and Jinro is in Code A, they should have enough points to qualify as the 10th team.

But it would depend if they could field an entire roster for 10 weeks in Korea which seems unlikely except if GOM let's other foreigners play on their team.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
May 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#65
[image loading]

so awesome, thanks gom
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 19 2011 08:53 GMT
#66
On May 19 2011 17:52 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 17:48 AntiSanityMan wrote:
Very interesting. They're making space for GSL and moving a group play system for up and down. This seems like it'll limit the volatility of Code S by limiting the amount of people from code S playing in the up and down, while not actually changing the possible code S turnover rate. Group play also seems to be aiming to be a fairer way to determine who advances, with no more "weakest players picked by code A champions and sneaking back into code S" shenanigans happening.

The group play seems like it'll give chances for people like IMMVP to stay in code S by doing some code A stomping instead of losing code S status so easily if they have 2 off days.

Something that's not clear: "15 players will play in 5 player group with top two players in the group advancing to code S." => That means only 6 players (3 groups x 2 players each) get into code S. Even adding MLG champion to that it only means 7 players get into code S. A translation mistake or my math is bad?

The GSTL seems like they're trying to make it so that all teams, no matter how big or small, get a chance to play and maybe upset the top dogs. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Liquid in the top 10 with the current team qualification system? But it seems more like the 10 teams will be chosen through invitation only, with Liquid being excluded since they don't have enough players. They're really trying to avoid another IM situation.

All in all, some interesting changes to shake up the system, patching up holes here and there. I can even see a slight change that might make it so that they could insert another code S invite in the future by limiting the Up and Down group play by one more spot. Maybe NASL can start negotiating, as they seem to be the only other regularly happening league.


I actually think with the current point system, TL would be the 10th team. Ho Seo and Fox both lost their Code S players. As Huk stayed in Code S and Jinro is in Code A, they should have enough points to qualify as the 10th team.

But it would depend if they could field an entire roster for 10 weeks in Korea which seems unlikely except if GOM let's other foreigners play on their team.

I think the GOM announcement makes it pretty clear that its going to be all 10 Korean teams regardless of ranking points. Yeah, and like you said, I don't think Liquid will send all their players down there for the tournament (it lasts 2 months).
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
May 19 2011 08:55 GMT
#67
Regular GSTL?

FUCK YEAH!!!!
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 08:57:16
May 19 2011 08:56 GMT
#68
BW have OSL+MSL SC2 have GSL+MLG(hope China Taiwan 'll join them soon)
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
May 19 2011 08:57 GMT
#69
On May 19 2011 17:51 vectorix108 wrote:
Yay! so this is like proleague basically. Pretty awesome stuff.

What's a pro league system?
Turn it Up
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
May 19 2011 08:57 GMT
#70
now it is impossible to compete GSTL as a foreign team because it is too long. right?
You know what I'm talking about
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
May 19 2011 08:57 GMT
#71
sounds great, gives less chance for bad players to stay in Code S. Though I still do not like the fact that of 32 people in Code S, only 8 may be replaced at any one time and those 8 may not all be from Code A, I guess this guarentees more stability for the top pros.

I hope the GSTL uses both general proleague format and winner's league format, both are entertaining and play to the strengths of different teams.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 08:58 GMT
#72
Cool, I thought we would have to wait till August for GSTL.

Now we'll get it every week starting right after this one. Cool job, GOM. Also the changes in the Code S format is great as well. Day9 was debating how he thought that would be a better system on SotG.

All the changes are awesome. Now all we need are icons for the teams since it's a regular league now.

And since GSTL starts so soon, with the current points, TeamLiquid should be in the top ten. fOu only has SC in GSL. Fox only has Lyn. Ho Seo only has San and BansBans. None of them have any Code S players - unlike TL who has Huk and then Jinro in Code A. Hopefully we can see a foreigner team in the GSTL League.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 19 2011 08:59 GMT
#73
On May 19 2011 17:57 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 17:51 vectorix108 wrote:
Yay! so this is like proleague basically. Pretty awesome stuff.

What's a pro league system?

I think he's referring to Brood War's Proleague, which basically runs almost a whole year and had 1 full league of 10 (not split into 2 groups) and the teams would play each other multiple time. But that's not really the case for SC2. It's a step towards that, but it's still a shorter competition compared to PL.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 08:59 GMT
#74
On May 19 2011 17:57 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 17:51 vectorix108 wrote:
Yay! so this is like proleague basically. Pretty awesome stuff.

What's a pro league system?


Basically a regular season like any sport in America like hockey, basketball, etc. and then the top teams advance to the playoffs to crown the champion.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Tears.Of.The.Moon
Profile Joined September 2009
Slovenia715 Posts
May 19 2011 08:59 GMT
#75
On May 19 2011 17:49 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 17:46 PerfectTear wrote:
So can anybody explain more accurately what a dual tournament is? I tried searching for it on the liquipedia but there were no hits.


A v B
C v D
Winner A/B vs Winner C/D (match 3)--> Winner of this qualifies 2-0
Loser A/B vs Loser C/D (match 4) ---> Loser of this is eliminated 0-2
Loser match 3 vs Winner Match 4 ---> Winner of this qualifies 2-1, Loser eliminated 1-2

That way it also guarantees a 1,2,3,4 ranking


Oh thanks , this makes sense now, didn't know it only affects group stages.
ヽ(´ー`)┌
elbooN
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
May 19 2011 09:00 GMT
#76
so will buying a season ticket include both the team league and code-a/s, or will we have to purchase seperate ones?
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
May 19 2011 09:00 GMT
#77
Sick changes, thursday & friday for GSTL is so sweet and the prize pool actually makes preparation for it worthwhile for top players now. Can't wait to see all the new unknowns that'll pop up and make a name for themselves in the teamleague. Yay Gom!
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 19 2011 09:00 GMT
#78
At first glance I like the changes, but some of it is a little hazy just seeing it in text. Can't wait to see how things actually pan out.

One criticism that I can see arising from this, though, is that this may make it easier to stay in code S. On the other hand, having groups of 5 for the up/down might level the playing field. It's hard to speculate right now. GSL July can't come soon enough :D
Origiral
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)106 Posts
May 19 2011 09:01 GMT
#79
shit just got real
hello
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 19 2011 09:01 GMT
#80
This is awesome, they were saying on state of the game that GSL needed a consistent team league and bam 2 days later. Korea is looking more and more appealing, also wineer of code a gets a direct seed into code s, and now it looks like it is slightly harder to get knocked out of code s.

This format is much more appealing for foreigners wishing to get into code s.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 25 26 27 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 583
SteadfastSC 235
UpATreeSC 134
BRAT_OK 110
ForJumy 53
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 131
firebathero 69
Mong 43
NaDa 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5334
NeuroSwarm104
canceldota8
League of Legends
C9.Mang0116
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2311
fl0m1755
shoxiejesuss1306
adren_tv52
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu457
Khaldor163
Other Games
Grubby3880
summit1g2834
Sick288
ToD202
ArmadaUGS118
Trikslyr64
Mew2King58
KnowMe48
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 24
Other Games
BasetradeTV17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 51
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV428
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2602
• TFBlade1719
Other Games
• Shiphtur279
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 5m
Escore
13h 5m
LiuLi Cup
14h 5m
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
Big Brain Bouts
20h 5m
ByuN vs GgMaChine
Serral vs Jumy
RSL Revival
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
LiuLi Cup
1d 14h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 15h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-10
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.