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On May 16 2011 06:33 monie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:28 Aphasie wrote:If you replace golf shoes with raffle this is the way i feel right nowI mean, its forgivable to forget in the heat of the moment, but you've gone on and on about it and to not announce it feels kinda like a betrayal. I actually took the 45 min to read the articles and finish the quiz. Please announce them, i need my sleep ~^ Also, when they were talking about re-streaming in korea i thought about the observing specifically. And i though "Damn, im proud this goes to korea. The obs movement is absolutely superb". GJ Hot_Bid It will be announced next week during TLattack. A bit disappointed, but it's their raffle, so not much to do 
It's their raffle, true. But I still think it's pretty low to change the terms of the raffle at the last minute. People like me (who actually signed up) were happy about the lower number of participants for the increased (but still small) chance of winning. I understand getting few signups sucks for TL, but they should still honor the original terms of the raffle.
Anyhow, thanks to TL for a FANTASTIC tournament!! This is some of the best Starcraft I've ever seen, and I'm super excited that Sweden is making such a strong showing in SC2 Sweden fighting!
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On May 16 2011 06:31 Jayrod wrote:
That was a good series. I felt Naniwa lost it more than Thorzain won it, but it was entertaining either way
That's not correct sir. Unfortunately, in PvT it is P who dictates the tempo -- unless the map is small enough for terran to do a 1-base all in -- . It was Naniwa's decision of whether to colo-timing attack or macro, Thorzain had only one choice in each scenario: defend the attack with tooth and nails in the first case or keep up with macro till reaching ghosts + EMPs. The fact that Nani failed to win with his timing attacks is a testament to Thorzain's resilience and amazing crisis management rather to Naniwa's sloppy control -- he played great, any other T player would have lost methinks.
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On May 16 2011 06:38 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:34 zmansman17 wrote:On May 16 2011 06:31 Jayrod wrote:
That was a good series. I felt Naniwa lost it more than Thorzain won it, but it was entertaining either way No. ThorZain WON it. Naniwa had an advantage but Thorzain OVERCAME that advantage. There was no obvious move command instead of attack command. ThorZain is just FREAKING AMAZING Don't be ridiculous, Naniwa made mistakes, attacked at an awkward angle, stacked sentries, etc... and that was just game 7. Game 6 he had if he simply attacked instead of sitting for half a minute forcefield the ramp while units were being elevator'd. Thorzain made the correct moves but he wasnt in control of either situation. Naniwai made mistakes. Yes Thorzain is amazing we can agree on that
No, there was no obvious blunder.
Naniwa spread his units, to contain damage of EMP. He spread his sentries. He kited back Collosi.
You cannot tell me that he made some GIANT blunder because he did NOT.
One mistake was not getting a twilight council and granting charge and.or blink, but in terms of micro, unit composition and execution, ThorZain just came out on top
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On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer?
IdrA's fanclub has 527 pages at the moment.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I cannot wait to see my interviewing career hit youtube.
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On May 16 2011 06:17 Fungal Growth wrote:
Great series! Specifically on the last game though, I was surprised with some of the decisions Nani made... He doesn't go +1 attack (and in fact wasn't a big fan of attack upgrades throughout the series) which really hurt his army. Colossi cost 500 combined resources and 6 supply and give you 18.2 dps (or assuming 3 targets a strike 54.6 dps) . +1a cost 200 combined resources and gives you a bonus 2.4 dps or counting splash of 3: 7.2 dps.
Therefore at one colossi your dps cost 27.4 / 9.15 resources per DPS.
Plus 1 attack cost you 83.3 / 27.7 (assuming just one colossi)
Plus 1 attack with two colossi on the field: 41.65 / 13.8
Plus 1 attack with three colossi on the field: 27.7 / 9.23
So pretty much once you reach 3 colossi...+1 pays for itself. And this doesn't count the supply cost of the colossi nor the benefits that the other protoss military units get from +1.
Nani, should have retreated once he killed those SCVs in the first volley and just teched up. Protoss is very strong on macro maps once they get blink/charge/forge upgrades/HT tech.
Thorzain on the other hand finally seemed to realize that marauders work so much better than tanks against protoss. Had he realized this earlier, Nani wouldn't have lasted to a game 7. Thors work against protoss...but not tanks. I suspect Thor was still in his tank mindset from his win over Kas.
not to bash, especially with my insignificant comment, but
im sure thorzain had success practicing those very same 1-1-1 builds against protoss incorporating the tanks as he did, and agaisnt strong protosses as well
i think thorzain's choice in builds and unit composition at the beginning of the series, were more of a choice than how naniwa delayed his third, twilight, and forge in the last game
then again, it seems that thorzain chose a bio opening in the later games for a more comfortable mid to late game style---and of course, it could be argued that he couldve been led into that choice by naniwa himself
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment.
MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900.
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On May 16 2011 06:28 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:21 awu25 wrote:On May 16 2011 06:18 HowardRoark wrote:
Just like Boxer picking the weakest race and becomes the master, Thorzain does the same and comes out winning TSL against all odds, as a Zerg, I am amazed of his skills. Terran isn't supposed to stand a chance on that map vs P, and he won. Sure, Chill's lag and Thorzain's nerves of ice made Naniwa lose a game he would have won 99 out of 100, but still, amazing match. Wait what? Thorzain comes out winning as a zerg? Terran not standing a chance on that map? According to TLPD it's only 60% PvT. "as a Zerg, I am amazed of his skills". Only 60% PvT win rate? Only 60% Protoss favored? Would only 60% Protoss be a good argument against Protoss being favored? I do not like to see your examples of what maps you find P favored then, if you use 60% P favored as a point in your argument Joke aside, with Naniwa's PvT ratio on the most dreadful map in the map pool (please Blizzard, bring back the Blizzard maps) I just did not see Thorzain stand a chance. You have to keep in mind that the 60% P favored stats are including players that is not Naniwa, and I think no non-Korean can stand a chance against Naniwa, and I doubt most Koreans except MC and Genious would even in Korea, so if you give the top P in the world a 60% map, I expect him to roflstomp his opponent. In BW, a 60% map would not last to see the day.
those stats are still based on a really low amount of games
according to the same database Shakuras Plateau is 58% for T and Naniwa won convincingly there
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hm. in every single TSL, the loser was thought to have clinged onto victory in the beginning of the series, then they end up losing it all.
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment.
MLG dallas was also longer
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900.
For all the wrong reasons.
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900 0.
:p
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On May 16 2011 06:41 tree.hugger wrote:
I cannot wait to see my interviewing career hit youtube.
ignore the whiners, you did fine, as did waxangel.
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900.
And about 800 of those pages had nothing to do with starcraft >.<
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Dreamhack Invitational also hit 614 page, and that was another one from only a single day of Starcraft.
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900.
was also the birthplace of the baby eagle thread (MLG Dallas day 3 thread). epic lulz that day, and epic banz.
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On May 16 2011 06:42 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 tree.hugger wrote:
I cannot wait to see my interviewing career hit youtube. ignore the whiners, you did fine, as did waxangel.
The only problem i had with the interviews was that they were incredibly quiet. But it just meant i had to turn the sound up that's all. The players looked very awkward/nervous too but that's not really your fault. Thorzain is pretty young tbf and probably not used to the spotlight. I thought it was fine overall .
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Great job keeping your cool Thorzain.
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On May 16 2011 06:41 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG Dallas Day 3 was over 900.
It was all thanks to EAGLE
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