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Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
May 09 2011 06:16 GMT
#661
Idra provided some really insightful commentary. He actually provided a lot of evidence to support his idea that foreigners don't play correctly. If he actually explained why he thinks people are bad in other circumstances, then I think people would take him more seriously.
Esports killed Starcraft
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
May 09 2011 07:42 GMT
#662
Are there vods...?
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
typingit
Profile Joined November 2010
97 Posts
May 09 2011 07:50 GMT
#663
On May 09 2011 16:42 Durn wrote:
Are there vods...?


http://www.justin.tv/onemoregametv/b/285449363
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
May 09 2011 08:49 GMT
#664
I saw the games, and i think the format is bad:

- Bo3 v/s Bo1: Proleagues usually function on a Bo1 format because the strenght of the team as a whole -in this format- is more important than the comparison of the individual strenght of the players of the rosters. Supposedly weaker teams can beat team with S-code players thanks to a deeper line-up (impossible here because all teams are limited to 5 players), and more importantly, thanks to intelligent management of their resources. Sending players with a well-thought build to snipe a code-S pro-gamer is an important part of the Proleague format.

- 2v2: It sucks. At the same time, it is extremely repetitive (Zerg/terran is by far the best team; you never expand and rely only on one base -per gamer- strategies) and very volatile (cheese everywhere). It seems to be a way to force an ace match.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
May 09 2011 09:07 GMT
#665
Can't wait to see Demuslim playing for EG. His TvP atm is sick.
EG.DeMusliM/d.BlinG/UK Fighting!
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 09 2011 09:13 GMT
#666
On May 09 2011 17:49 legaton wrote:
I saw the games, and i think the format is bad:

- Bo3 v/s Bo1: Proleagues usually function on a Bo1 format because the strenght of the team as a whole -in this format- is more important than the comparison of the individual strenght of the players of the rosters. Supposedly weaker teams can beat team with S-code players thanks to a deeper line-up (impossible here because all teams are limited to 5 players), and more importantly, thanks to intelligent management of their resources. Sending players with a well-thought build to snipe a code-S pro-gamer is an important part of the Proleague format.

- 2v2: It sucks. At the same time, it is extremely repetitive (Zerg/terran is by far the best team; you never expand and rely only on one base -per gamer- strategies) and very volatile (cheese everywhere). It seems to be a way to force an ace match.


I disagree on both points.

Your first point is just weird. You can send a player out to snipe someone in a bo3 as well, only it's not as easy to knock a superior player out with pure luck or cheese in a single game. I don't get why team leagues should be viewed differently than 1v1's, bo1's suck in both cases.

2v2 doesn't suck. It's not much more repetative than 1v1 really and just because there is a lot of one base play or "cheese" doesn't mean there can't be fun games. I'd probably have the game as the second or third though but that is a minor point. Also I don't see how the 2v2 is there to "force an ace match." Are you saying the team being under have a given advantage in 2v2's for some reason?
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
May 09 2011 09:45 GMT
#667
God how I wished these games wasnt streamed at 3am CEST. I'll definitly will be checking out the VOD but it's just not the same.
PandaMow
Profile Joined May 2011
England3 Posts
May 09 2011 09:47 GMT
#668
Wow epic tournament lol! Nicely done, nice casting nice set up, some nice players to watch too!

EG vs Dignitas going be siiiiiick too! lol
Professionals Fight, Scrubs Boast
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
May 09 2011 10:04 GMT
#669
Arg, Stephano is Millenium's strongest player and he's playing his worst matchup
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eAzydaman
Profile Joined May 2010
83 Posts
May 09 2011 11:40 GMT
#670
On May 09 2011 17:49 legaton wrote:
I saw the games, and i think the format is bad:

- Bo3 v/s Bo1: Proleagues usually function on a Bo1 format because the strenght of the team as a whole -in this format- is more important than the comparison of the individual strenght of the players of the rosters. Supposedly weaker teams can beat team with S-code players thanks to a deeper line-up (impossible here because all teams are limited to 5 players), and more importantly, thanks to intelligent management of their resources. Sending players with a well-thought build to snipe a code-S pro-gamer is an important part of the Proleague format.

- 2v2: It sucks. At the same time, it is extremely repetitive (Zerg/terran is by far the best team; you never expand and rely only on one base -per gamer- strategies) and very volatile (cheese everywhere). It seems to be a way to force an ace match.



Explain to me why Zerg/Terran is the best 2v2 matchup? I argue it's by far the worst combination. The two most underpowered races. Protoss/Zerg or Protoss/Terran is the best combo. Zerg/Zerg the worst if their early pool doesn't work. And as cheeses go, all is stoppable.
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
May 09 2011 11:50 GMT
#671
On May 09 2011 20:40 eAzydaman wrote:

The two most underpowered races.


This won't end well for this thread.
Nothing to add.
Artrey
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 11:54:16
May 09 2011 11:51 GMT
#672
Because Hellion+Ling aggression is nearly unbeatable in 2v2. On some maps it's better than on others, but it really is too strong overall.

I think it's sad though that the 2v2 is just a Bo1 and no Bo3... =/ Bo1s are just so much more volatile and the 2v2 part is already so slim relatively to the 1v1 content.

The worst thing about the state of 2v2 right now is how strong it is dominated by abusive builds and all-ins. Mostly because the rush distances are too small or the maps make it to easy to isolate one player. ZZ actually works better than most Protoss matchups...

nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#673
On May 09 2011 20:51 Artrey wrote:
Because Hellion+Ling aggression is nearly unbeatable in 2v2. On some maps it's better than on others, but it really is too strong overall.

I think it's sad though that the 2v2 is just a Bo1 and no Bo3... =/ Bo1s are just so much more volatile and the 2v2 part is already so slim relatively to the 1v1 content.

The worst thing about the state of 2v2 right now is how strong it is dominated by abusive builds and all-ins. Mostly because the rush distances are too small or the maps make it to easy to isolate one player. ZZ actually works better than most Protoss matchups...



I've been saying forever that we need better 2v2 maps. Unfortunatly I'm afraid it will take quite a while until we see those implemented/created.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
May 09 2011 14:34 GMT
#674
On May 09 2011 08:15 Bagi wrote:
Idras analysis is incredible, especially when zerg is involved.

Wheat seemed totally humbled by his knowledge, but they still made a great team together.


Between Inside The Game and casting with the likes of Idra, inC, and Painuser... I feel more BLESSED than anything. Because not only do I have access to these great minds... it means YOU guys have access to them as well. I swear I could just ask IdrA questions all day about stuff I want to learn more about and it just works out as a good cast

Thanks for tuning in yesterday, tonight is another match-up with IdrA casting!
OneMoreGame.tv // Weapon Of Choice // Kings Of Tin // Inside The Game // Live On Three
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 09 2011 14:38 GMT
#675
On May 09 2011 23:34 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 08:15 Bagi wrote:
Idras analysis is incredible, especially when zerg is involved.

Wheat seemed totally humbled by his knowledge, but they still made a great team together.


Between Inside The Game and casting with the likes of Idra, inC, and Painuser... I feel more BLESSED than anything. Because not only do I have access to these great minds... it means YOU guys have access to them as well. I swear I could just ask IdrA questions all day about stuff I want to learn more about and it just works out as a good cast

Thanks for tuning in yesterday, tonight is another match-up with IdrA casting!


Keep bringing them content DJWheat! I just wish you had your EG guy talk to other EG guy to avoid scheduling conflict! You have a global audience, there's no reason why everyone is fighting over the same primetime slot.
Thank God and gunrun.
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
May 09 2011 14:43 GMT
#676
xeris always with some insecure comments, whether it be about empire in the masters cup or now some random listing of na teams by some guy on teamliquid.

you're one of the leaders of the nasl, show some class.your comments always just show how arrogant and self righteous you are
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 15:04:24
May 09 2011 14:54 GMT
#677
Nice combo. Idra is clearly the smartest guy in the room, or any room, but I don't know if he has enough charisma to cast. Maybe he just needs more experience. Although I have to admit it was cool just listening to him talk about Starcraft. I have to say I could spend hours just listening to his insights.
JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 15:07:40
May 09 2011 15:06 GMT
#678
The combo of Wheat's "play by play" and Idra's in depth observations/analysis is amazing. Keep it up guys !


Tazato
Profile Joined May 2011
United States12 Posts
May 09 2011 15:26 GMT
#679
On May 09 2011 23:34 djWHEAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 08:15 Bagi wrote:
Idras analysis is incredible, especially when zerg is involved.

Wheat seemed totally humbled by his knowledge, but they still made a great team together.


Between Inside The Game and casting with the likes of Idra, inC, and Painuser... I feel more BLESSED than anything. Because not only do I have access to these great minds... it means YOU guys have access to them as well. I swear I could just ask IdrA questions all day about stuff I want to learn more about and it just works out as a good cast

Thanks for tuning in yesterday, tonight is another match-up with IdrA casting!


djWHEAT, bringing the noise, like always. Can't wait for more 2v2, it's so different from the 1v1's. A nice change of pace considering all the content that is available for Starcraft II these days.

Have Fun
Widz
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden75 Posts
May 09 2011 15:44 GMT
#680
3 am really? No chance for Europeans to watch then
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